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persiangulf93
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:23 pm

There's nothing sensible about it - these are facts and the whole world is aware of them. Unfortunately nobody dares to speak up against these crimes as the US tends to bully & sanction those that do not agree with their foreign policies and corrupted way of politics.

If you claim to be the cradle of democracy and peace, than stop meddling in other countries affairs that are thousands of miles away from you.
 
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:17 pm

persiangulf93, while I concur with your post in every point except one, I have to point out to you that that one casts your post as hyperbole and renders your message meaningless to most people.

The US used nuclear weapons against only one state, and that was Japan in August of 1945. If you're trying to equate DU with nuclear weapons you are engaging in hyperbole and that's a poor way to begin a serious message.
 
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:47 pm

salttee wrote:
persiangulf93, while I concur with your post in every point except one, I have to point out to you that that one casts your post as hyperbole and renders your message meaningless to most people.

The US used nuclear weapons against only one state, and that was Japan in August of 1945. If you're trying to equate DU with nuclear weapons you are engaging in hyperbole and that's a poor way to begin a serious message.


I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he meant Us has used nukes twice.

To suggest one point makes the rest of his post meaningless is a pathetic stand.
 
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:49 pm

salttee wrote:
persiangulf93, while I concur with your post in every point except one, I have to point out to you that that one casts your post as hyperbole and renders your message meaningless to most people.

A Minority report from a guilty defendant.
The US used nuclear weapons against only one state, and that was Japan in August of 1945. If you're trying to equate DU with nuclear weapons you are engaging in hyperbole and that's a poor way to begin a serious message.


DU dust long term effects are probably in no way less harming than just setting off a nuclear bomb
in the same location. Agravated by an arid climate.

That it is popular as a perverse way of getting rid of nuclear waste
gives the heap of negatives a nice topping.
Murphy is an optimist
 
salttee
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:24 pm

WIederling wrote:
DU dust long term effects are probably in no way less harming than just setting off a nuclear bomb in the same location.

Well there goes any scientific credibility you might have once had.

I thought you disapproved of people who twist scientific reasoning with political agenda.


And Freakysh, you can give him the benefit of doubt, but I'll just take him at his word.
 
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:24 pm

So the DPRK has fired a a missile that went over Japan.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/north-korea-m ... 40144.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/ ... l?adkey=bn
http://abcnews.go.com/International/nor ... _bsq_image

So more of the same bullshit rhetoric from both sides again?!
 
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Dutchy
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:26 pm

maortega15 wrote:
So more of the same bullshit rhetoric from both sides again?!


Probably and so will be the next time DPRK will fire the next missile.
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:11 pm

NoTime wrote:

(Also, coming soon to Iran, thanks to Obama.)


You are aware that there were other parties involved were you not. And in negotiations no you don't get to dictate terms. The only time you get to do that is when you occupy a countries capitol.
Never take financial advice from co-workers.
 
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:13 pm

TheF15Ace wrote:

So when you say Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism are you simply being stupid or willfully pushing the agenda of war hawks in congress and the pentagon (not to mention Israel) of getting into a shooting war with Iran to get their rocks off.


That's exactly what they want.
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Re: Trump Threatens "Fire and Fury" toward North Korea

Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:11 am

salttee wrote:
If you're trying to equate DU with nuclear weapons you are engaging in hyperbole and that's a poor way to begin a serious message.


Actually we don´t know much about the long term effects of low dose Uranium exposure. Putting "depleted" in front of it doesn´t change that DU ammunition is pretty much pure Uranium. Studies indicating negligible effects of DU on public health are not that easy to find post 2003, and those that are come from defense departments, the IAEA or such potentially nuclear friendly organisations. And there is just one really large human study ongoing in Iraq, results are still not in, but in the hotspots of fighting it doesn´t look that good.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-silence

It would rather appear that some limited use as in the Balkans or Afghanistan has in deed only negligible effects, but that massive use has much the same effects as living around ground zero of a nuclear detonation. In that sense long term effects of massive DU ammunition expenditure could potentially equal the long term effects of using nuclear weapons.

In the broader concept of the argument at hand i would think that the US "crimes" only stand out more, but that no country that has been considered somewhat powerful at some point in its history did commit atrocities people are happy not being brought up. For Germany everything is overshadowed by the holocaust, many people are not even aware that Jews have "just" been half or less of the people dying in concentration camps, and if you ask around in Namibia, Germany wasn´t a better colonial force than others as well. Few people talk about Belgian crimes in Congo, the UKs modern invention of concentration camps and destruction by working people to death and so on and so forth.

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Times are changing: 70 years ago the USA went to war to defeat the Nazis, now they elect them to run their country.
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