Found guilty by Judge Susan Bolton...Sentencing set for October 5th.


http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc ... 486278001/

The evidence at trial proves beyond a reasonable doubt and the Court finds that
Judge (G. Murray) Snow issued a clear and definite order enjoining Defendant from detaining persons for further investigation without reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is being committed; that Defendant knew of the order; and that Defendant willfully violated the order by failing to do anything to ensure his subordinates’ compliance and by directing them to continue to detain persons for whom no criminal charges could be filed," Bolton wrote in the ruling. "Because the Court finds that Defendant willfully violated an order of the court, it finds Defendant guilty of criminal contempt."

Guess he found out the hard way that he isn't at the top of the food chain

In one particularly potent clip, Arpaios is seen talking to an inmate at his jails, who states that Arpaio is outranked by federal law.

“No,” Arpaio said. “Nobody is higher than me. I am the elected sheriff by the people. I don’t serve any governor or the president.”

Perhaps....

But, I do not see Imran Awan getting one...

What's disturbing is how long it took the people of Maricopa County to show "Sheriff Joe" the door. You could leave immigration out of it and there'd still have been plenty of reason to replace him with an honest cop.

I don't like the heat, so Arizona's problems won't ever be my problems, but still.

It is possible as this conviction was in a Federal Court. It would be popular with the anti-immigrant, anti-crime crowd that supported Trump to become President. It might be better to commute his sentence, he is very old and no longer the Sheriff and cannot return to public office. I just wish they had nailed him years ago for his inhumane acts. This is one reason why I think county sheriffs should be appointed by the elected county government legislatures, not subject to popular and usually party line voting.

ltbewr wrote:

.........I think county sheriffs should be appointed by the elected county government legislatures, not subject to popular and usually party line voting.

Aren't "elected county government legislatures" usually political bodies?

I don't know how you can totally eliminate politics in the hiring process where top officials are involved.

Unless, as is the case in my city, the mayor and council are prohibited from running for office as members of a political party.

BobPatterson wrote:

ltbewr wrote:

.........I think county sheriffs should be appointed by the elected county government legislatures, not subject to popular and usually party line voting.

Aren't "elected county government legislatures" usually political bodies?

I don't know how you can totally eliminate politics in the hiring process where top officials are involved.

Unless, as is the case in my city, the mayor and council are prohibited from running for office as members of a political party.

Up in Vancouver, Canada, the police chief is appointed by the police board, which comprises of the Mayor as Chair; one person appointed by city council; and up to seven people appointed by the Lieutenant Governor in Council, under British Columbia’s Police Act. The seven people appointed are chosen to reflect the demographics of the community. They are people who have demonstrated that they can act in the community’s best interest. Each Board member is appointed for a term of up to four years. They may be re-appointed, but cannot serve for more than six consecutive years.

treetreeseven wrote:

What's disturbing is how long it took the people of Maricopa County to show "Sheriff Joe" the door.

As a resident of Maricopa County, I'm disturbed at the thought that someone who doesn't live here believes they have a better idea of what voters here should value. While he made some missteps, Joe Arpaio did a lot of good for the county during his tenure and won over the people with his idea of actually being tough on crime and criminals. You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

EA CO AS wrote:

of actually being tough on crime and criminals.

so, he was an Idiot... makes it even harder to justify how he got reelected.

You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

Being stupid, evil and incapable of understanding the most basic ideas of human rights seems to qualify for a lot of jobs in the US. Sad.

best regards
Thomas

EA CO AS wrote:

treetreeseven wrote:

What's disturbing is how long it took the people of Maricopa County to show "Sheriff Joe" the door.

As a resident of Maricopa County, I'm disturbed at the thought that someone who doesn't live here believes they have a better idea of what voters here should value. While he made some missteps, Joe Arpaio did a lot of good for the county during his tenure and won over the people with his idea of actually being tough on crime and criminals. You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

Arizona is still subject to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights while part of the United States.

What is disturbing to me is that the expectations of >50% of Maricopa County voters run counter to the ideas set forth by the founders.

No. He won't get prison time, and he isn't important to Trump right now.

Only unless a large number of Fox News analysts (more than five) and at least 20 twitter users Trump follows complain with Sheriff Joe's conviction even come up on his radar.

Then it will be "everyone is talking" about Sheriff Joe.

treetreeseven wrote:

EA CO AS wrote:

treetreeseven wrote:

What's disturbing is how long it took the people of Maricopa County to show "Sheriff Joe" the door.

As a resident of Maricopa County, I'm disturbed at the thought that someone who doesn't live here believes they have a better idea of what voters here should value. While he made some missteps, Joe Arpaio did a lot of good for the county during his tenure and won over the people with his idea of actually being tough on crime and criminals. You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

Arizona is still subject to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights while part of the United States.

What is disturbing to me is that the expectations of >50% of Maricopa County voters run counter to the ideas set forth by the founders.

Please elaborate on what ideas the founding fathers of this nation were contrary to those that Joe Arpaio campaigned on when running for sheriff. This oughta be rich...

EA CO AS wrote:

treetreeseven wrote:

What's disturbing is how long it took the people of Maricopa County to show "Sheriff Joe" the door.

As a resident of Maricopa County, I'm disturbed at the thought that someone who doesn't live here believes they have a better idea of what voters here should value. While he made some missteps, Joe Arpaio did a lot of good for the county during his tenure and won over the people with his idea of actually being tough on crime and criminals. You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

Some mistakes, you're kidding...When I worked for him from 5/96-2/99 (what a nightmare) it was all about show and not being "tough on crime". Shoot he would call us at home at 2am, hey I got this great idea. Sheriff that idea is illegal..Pink underwear, chain gangs, tent city..nothing of substance, the first four term illegals immigrants weren't on his radar, but allowing deputies to fail to investigate 400 sexual abuse cases involving children which cost the taxpayers $3.5m, then he demanded a armor plated Crown Vic, which cost $70K to purchase, and it turned out to be so heavy, he used it once and parked it. Spending $750K on a jail transport bus without getting bids, so the Board of Supervisor refused to registered it, purchasing some Harley Davidson motorcycles again without a bid or permission from a dealer in Cave Creek which was owned by the Hells Angels as a cover, overspending his budget year after year, yet no pay raises for his deputies, and don't forget the SWAT raid he had planned out for the Mesa City Hall to obtain all the employment records of the city employees, (in that case his goon squad met up with real police officers from Mesa PD and the deputies were sent packing); then we have him arresting two sitting Superior Court Judge who wouldn't stop the building on a new court house, another million dollars, arresting a member of the Elected Board of Supervisors (another million), arresting the County Elected School Officer (another 50K). His department misspent $99.5m in county taxes that were for the operation of the jail, during an inventory of equipment, the Sheriff Department couldn't account for 13 Ford Expeditions, and the taxpayers have spend over $200m is just legal fees for him.

Prior to him being first elected, he was basically a driver for his wife's travel agency and in 2014 it was discovered that he owned $2m in commercial real estate free and clear on a $100,000 Sheriff salary and his federal retirement.

One gets elected six times, by pulling the wool over uninformed citizens that have no clue how a criminal justice agency is supposed to work and making up ridicuiously false claims against his opponents such as having sex with his mother 30 years ago and he claimed the person that clobbered him at the ballot box this last November was a wife beater. I should note the Sheriff race was the first one called after the polls closed here in Maricopa County, it was within the first hour.

tommy1808 wrote:

EA CO AS wrote:

of actually being tough on crime and criminals.

so, he was an Idiot... makes it even harder to justify how he got reelected.

You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

Being stupid, evil and incapable of understanding the most basic ideas of human rights seems to qualify for a lot of jobs in the US. Sad.

best regards
Thomas

I hope he ends up in his own jail, and his jailers rough him up, like he and Trump love. "Don't be too nice". That's what Trump said. Or was it Jesus? I can't remember.

910A wrote:

EA CO AS wrote:

treetreeseven wrote:

What's disturbing is how long it took the people of Maricopa County to show "Sheriff Joe" the door.

As a resident of Maricopa County, I'm disturbed at the thought that someone who doesn't live here believes they have a better idea of what voters here should value. While he made some missteps, Joe Arpaio did a lot of good for the county during his tenure and won over the people with his idea of actually being tough on crime and criminals. You don't get elected to six consecutive terms without meeting the expectations of the people.

Some mistakes, you're kidding...When I worked for him from 5/96-2/99 (what a nightmare) it was all about show and not being "tough on crime". Shoot he would call us at home at 2am, hey I got this great idea. Sheriff that idea is illegal..Pink underwear, chain gangs, tent city..nothing of substance, the first four term illegals immigrants weren't on his radar, but allowing deputies to fail to investigate 400 sexual abuse cases involving children which cost the taxpayers $3.5m, then he demanded a armor plated Crown Vic, which cost $70K to purchase, and it turned out to be so heavy, he used it once and parked it. Spending $750K on a jail transport bus without getting bids, so the Board of Supervisor refused to registered it, purchasing some Harley Davidson motorcycles again without a bid or permission from a dealer in Cave Creek which was owned by the Hells Angels as a cover, overspending his budget year after year, yet no pay raises for his deputies, and don't forget the SWAT raid he had planned out for the Mesa City Hall to obtain all the employment records of the city employees, (in that case his goon squad met up with real police officers from Mesa PD and the deputies were sent packing); then we have him arresting two sitting Superior Court Judge who wouldn't stop the building on a new court house, another million dollars, arresting a member of the Elected Board of Supervisors (another million), arresting the County Elected School Officer (another 50K). His department misspent $99.5m in county taxes that were for the operation of the jail, during an inventory of equipment, the Sheriff Department couldn't account for 13 Ford Expeditions, and the taxpayers have spend over $200m is just legal fees for him.

Prior to him being first elected, he was basically a driver for his wife's travel agency and in 2014 it was discovered that he owned $2m in commercial real estate free and clear on a $100,000 Sheriff salary and his federal retirement.

One gets elected six times, by pulling the wool over uninformed citizens that have no clue how a criminal justice agency is supposed to work and making up ridicuiously false claims against his opponents such as having sex with his mother 30 years ago and he claimed the person that clobbered him at the ballot box this last November was a wife beater. I should note the Sheriff race was the first one called after the polls closed here in Maricopa County, it was within the first hour.

None of this is surprising, in the least. Sounds like someone else I know.

This idiot just further reinforces my belief that electing members of the judiciary is a terrible idea.

UltimoTiger777 wrote:

This idiot just further reinforces my belief that electing members of the judiciary is a terrible idea.

Have never thought about it, but are law enforcement officials members of the judicial branch? I always thought executive.

jetero wrote:

UltimoTiger777 wrote:

This idiot just further reinforces my belief that electing members of the judiciary is a terrible idea.

Have never thought about it, but are law enforcement officials members of the judicial branch? I always thought executive.

Ah, language.

Sheriffs and other law enforcement offices (Federal Protective Service, the cops), the FBI, U.S. Marshals, are executive branch personnel agencies.

FBI and the U.S. Marshal Service are agencies within the Department of Justice as are U.S. Attorneys.

The Federal Judiciary is composed of the Courts.

Sheriffs Departments are usually county level agencies and might be the main policing authority in some places.

In Prince George's County, Maryland, we have a County police force, a fair number of City police forces, plus a county-wide Sheriff's Office.

Here, the Sheriff serves court papers, runs the jail, escorts prisoners, guards courthouses and might, on occasion, make arrests. They do not usually make traffic stops, but they can do so. Sheriff's Deputies replaced County Police Officers in patrolling our high schools.

Our Sheriff is elected. The Sheriff's Office is funded by the County's general budget. I think they submit a budget request through the County Administrator rather than directly to the County Council. But I'm not certain of that.

There is considerable variation throughout the nation regarding the authority and operation of Sheriff's Departments.

jetero wrote:

UltimoTiger777 wrote:

This idiot just further reinforces my belief that electing members of the judiciary is a terrible idea.

Have never thought about it, but are law enforcement officials members of the judicial branch? I always thought executive.

I suppose they aren't in the traditional sense but I still find the idea of electing people to positions involving law enforcement rather odd. You wouldn't hold an election to appoint the generals in an army, the teachers in a school, the surgeons in a hospital etc. Why sheriffs? It seems to make the whole process partisan and surely policing is an area which should be non-partisan?

Well, well, well... looks what's in the news:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08 ... rpaio.html

I thought this was a nonsense, unneeded thread. Looks like the OP knows what he is on about.

Tugg

Tugger wrote:

Well, well, well... looks what's in the news:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08 ... rpaio.html

I thought this was a nonsense, unneeded thread. Looks like the OP knows what he is on about.

Tugg

President Trump should wait until the sentence is handed down, and intervene only if it includes jail time. No good purpose is served by sending an 85-year old to jail for contempt of court.

Commutation maybe, pardon no.

BobPatterson wrote:

No good purpose is served by sending an 85-year old to jail for contempt of court..

If he is healthy, there is no reason not to put him in Jail. Locking him up is important as an example to other low enforcement officers that contemplate ignoring courts.

best regards
Thomas

EA CO AS wrote:

As a resident of Maricopa County, I'm disturbed at the thought that someone who doesn't live here believes they have a better idea of what voters here should value.

Who cares?

We have civil rights for a reason, they apply to ALL within our borders not just people with papers, and they override any form of localization. Contempt therefor is why this f#ck was convicted.

Well Trump just retweeted from Fox & Friends a story that he was "seriously considering" pardoning Sheriff Joe.

UltimoTiger777 wrote:

jetero wrote:

UltimoTiger777 wrote:

This idiot just further reinforces my belief that electing members of the judiciary is a terrible idea.

Have never thought about it, but are law enforcement officials members of the judicial branch? I always thought executive.

I suppose they aren't in the traditional sense but I still find the idea of electing people to positions involving law enforcement rather odd. You wouldn't hold an election to appoint the generals in an army, the teachers in a school, the surgeons in a hospital etc. Why sheriffs? It seems to make the whole process partisan and surely policing is an area which should be non-partisan?

Police can make your life uncomfortable for a few days, Attorney Generals (i.e., Aspiring Governors) can make your life hell and utterly destroy you, just to get their names on the news, and you elect those...

Another day, another absurdity from Trump and his ilk.

Why take a pardon now? I'm sure this decision will be appealed. It would be better to get the decision overturned. Accepting a pardon is an admission that one committed a criminal act.

I civilly opine that Sheriff Joe ought to be wearing a nice, pink jumpsuit and spend a few years in a tent city jail in the middle of the desert.

Regards.

AR385 wrote:

I civilly opine that Sheriff Joe ought to be wearing a nice, pink jumpsuit and spend a few years in a tent city jail in the middle of the desert.

Regards.

nah, he should put on a brown shirt with a swastika on it and walk up and down the street with a tiki torch. That will get him his pardon.....

best regards
Thomas

tommy1808 wrote:

AR385 wrote:

I civilly opine that Sheriff Joe ought to be wearing a nice, pink jumpsuit and spend a few years in a tent city jail in the middle of the desert.

Regards.

nah, he should put on a brown shirt with a swastika on it and walk up and down the street with a tiki torch. That will get him his pardon.....

best regards
Thomas

A pardon for this racist old bat is the perfect gift for that "very fine" nazi or white supremacist who has everything!

flyingclrs727 wrote:

Why take a pardon now? I'm sure this decision will be appealed. It would be better to get the decision overturned. Accepting a pardon is an admission that one committed a criminal act.

Hasn't the sheriff already been found guilty? This is just the orange menace saying "the court found him guilty but I think he is a nice guy..." Two peas in a pod, really.

BobPatterson wrote:

I wonder who is paying the ex-Sheriff's legal bills. Appeals can cost a lot of money.

Isn't the POS independently wealthy? I seem to recall reading that at some point.

It's a misdemeanor, any chance of jail is slight anyway.

dmg626 wrote:

It's a misdemeanor, any chance of jail is slight anyway.

So what would be the point of pardoning him? If anything the sheriff would be appointed to head NTSB or Surgeon General.

Trump is dumb enough to give Sheriff Joe a pardon. Joe basically flipped a Judge off when he refused a legal court order by a Federal Judge. And Donny Johnny basically flipped a couple Federal Judges off with his comments about the "So Called Judge" and the Hispanic, but American born, Judge/.

Doesn't Dumb Donny Johnny realize that he is at high risk at sitting at a Defendant Table in a (or many) Federal Court(s).

The dumber the idea is the higher the probability the Pardon is signed.

Personally I believe that those signatures would be better held back for family members. Everyone in the game is going to want one.

Ken777 wrote:

Trump is dumb enough to give Sheriff Joe a pardon. Joe basically flipped a Judge off when he refused a legal court order by a Federal Judge. And Donny Johnny basically flipped a couple Federal Judges off with his comments about the "So Called Judge" and the Hispanic, but American born, Judge/.

Doesn't Dumb Donny Johnny realize that he is at high risk at sitting at a Defendant Table in a (or many) Federal Court(s).

The dumber the idea is the higher the probability the Pardon is signed.

Personally I believe that those signatures would be better held back for family members. Everyone in the game is going to want one.

This is Trump.

The same guy who has been at odds with the judicial system since day one of his Presidency.

The same guy who has referred to Judges as "so-called Judge..." and "so political".

Pretty sure no one involved in this on one particular side gives two hoots about how things look here.

moo wrote:

The same guy who has referred to Judges as "so-called Judge..." and "so political"..

Imagine how many heads would explode if judges started calling him "so called President"...

best regards
Thomas

tommy1808 wrote:

moo wrote:

The same guy who has referred to Judges as "so-called Judge..." and "so political"..

Imagine how many heads would explode if judges started calling him "so called President"...

Or if Obama had tried to undermine the judiciary in the way that Trump has....

OA412 wrote:

tommy1808 wrote:

moo wrote:

The same guy who has referred to Judges as "so-called Judge..." and "so political"..

Imagine how many heads would explode if judges started calling him "so called President"...

Or if Obama had tried to undermine the judiciary in the way that Trump has....

Let's not forget Republicans were willing to block any and nearly all nominees from Obama because reasons but are willing to approve any and all nominees from tRump. Harvard Constitutional scholar vs. "this judge is of Mexican heritage so I can not get a fair trial!"

It's official: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controve ... al_fb_abcn

$70m is the latest tab for Apario his illegal and unlawful actions http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc ... 576878001/

The message sent out to all the law enforcement officials in the United States: the law does not apply to you, so long as you support Trump long and loud enough. Should make David "37 Pieces of Flair" Clarke happy.

America 2017. It's a shameful place.

I have to admit that announcing the pardon just as a massive hurricane was hitting the Texas coast, with days or disasters projected is the most cowardice act of any president in my 73 years.

There are two good points to the pardon, however. Joe has to ADMIT GUILT as part of accepting the pardon. At the same time he cannot lien in any future deposition in civil suits, which is going to piss him off big time.

BTW, Gorka has resigned. A real pig of a man who now can crawl back in his hole. Can we say that's another good step by Trump's Chief of Staff?

Just playing to his Base Base. He is in re-election mode 24 hours a day, that is what matters.

This is a gift to Trump's "very fine" nazi and white supremacist supporters, wrapped in a bow.

The pardon of Arapio is a sick and shameful act. Arapio should face human rights charges for his unconstitutional acts, abuse of citizens and non-citizens, treated like ex-Nazis after WWII and die in jail (he is 85). That Trump did this during the Cat.4 Hurricane hitting a major city and massive area of Red State Texas is an abuse of power and justifies the need to remove him by any non-violent means.

This will be a real morale boost for all the border vigilantes and all those who prefer to take justice into their own hands because the federal government is evil, while depreciating and disparaging the justice system he hates so much...
...so, pandering to the base, essentially.

All of this just before the media coverage is overwhelmed by the death and destruction from Harvey so that the controversy is swiftly swept under the carpet.

Truly the most disgusting, controversial and divisive man to ever hold the reins.
Talk about a leader...

Because two wrongs make a right?

Glad you got that off your chest...

More scraps of meat and gristle thrown to the slavering "god, guns, and gays" "base" juuuuust in time so THEY hear the dog whistle but then it quickly gets drowned out in a flood of hurricane coverage.

Watch Trump pardon Dylan Roof next and really give his base the raging hardon they've been missing without their bump of Cialis

The pardon of Apario sends a terrible message to law enforcement and panders to the worst in human nature.
Trump is saying that local law enforcement can enforce immigration law even though it is illegal to do so, immigration issues are exclusively of Federal jurisdiction.
It says prison conditions can massively be unconstitutional as cruel and unusual punishment and against well understood human rights agreements the USA is a party to.
It says police can get away with unconstitutional targeted enforcement of laws of persons who 'look Hispanic' and by extension 'look Muslim' or 'look Black'.
It says police can harass the public, the news media, use excessive violent force and get away with it.
It says police can, and in Apario's case is well documented, ignore other parts of their duties like enforcement of laws as to domestic and child abuse, sex trafficking, rape and sexual assault.
It says police will not pay the price in jail for abuses to the public they serve and only pandering to a minority of rich white people and corporations.
It panders to White voters and the Supremacists,
Fails to deal with the very real issues of illegal immigration and residency,
Discourages courts and prosecutors from going after 'bad' law enforcement officials.
It reduced trust and increased fear in police in the region, Those here illegally cannot go to the police if a victim of a crime out of fear of being busted for their status and making them even more victimized.
In the end this pardon is an obscene message and insult to the public. I hope it adds to the need to remove Trump from office

ltbewr wrote:

ignore other parts of their duties like enforcement of laws as to domestic and child abuse, sex trafficking, rape and sexual assault.

... and there you have Trumps motivation.

Best regards
Thomas