aviationawar wrote:Let's start with the facts:
facts from Mr. "i make up stuff as i go".... there may be surprises still.
1) The Jewish people have been living in Jerusalem for thousands of years.
So? Israel didn´t exist, so that doesn´t have anything to do with anything.
2) The Jewish people have been driven out of Jerusalem many times, by the Romans, Sasanians, Arabs and others.
You don´t read your bible very well, do you?
And since when do two wrongs make a right?
3) Not only were the Jewish people driven out of their city, but their sanctuaries were defiled, particularly when the Arabs decided to build a mosque where our temple stood before it was torn down by the invaders.
Normal practice at those times, one of the success factors of Christianity was that you can just join it. Even the Romans, usually very liberal when it comes to freedom of religion at the time, ultimately destroyed the temple. Remember how the Jewish tribes got their land in the first place?
1 Samual 15 wrote:Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
When assholes fight each other, those things happen. If that serve as an excuse to continue forever, there will never be peace anywhere.
4) Taking land by force does not constitute the conqueror's right to that land. Hence, Jerusalem and all the ancient lands belong to the Jewish people, not the Arabs.
Exactly. Only you got your "facts" wrong, Jewish people either where the invader (scripture) or they have all been living there since forever.
5) When Israel was founded, the Jewish people were only given back what had been stolen from us centuries earlier. The robbers were given the gracious offer of living together in harmony and peace, but chose to double down on their earlier crimes and attacked Israel.
Israel wasn´t founded, it was taken by a terrorist organisation. Those terrorists even got to serve in the government. You know, after blowing up hotels full of people to make their point....
There is nothing inherently wrong with a nation state starting off as a terrorist organisation, but your claim is just bogus and made up.
We all know very well that the British would have made short work of that terrorist organisation if it hadn´t been for the Holocaust. They where the Al Qaida of its time
It would just be nice if they started to be a nation state, and not the worlds largest operator of concentration camps.
6) The Palestinians have no right to any territory they claim. Any land they live on is a gracious gift from the Jewish people.
Internationall law says what we already knew: you make shit up. As long as Israel does´t clear occupied territory, Israels victims can take the fight wherever. Bombing Hamburg to free France was peachy as well you know. Or Bombing Bagdad to free Kuwait. Attacking anyone not neutral in the conflict is also a legal target, unless you target civilians on purpose.
I know, in your head the people of Kuwait and France should just have been grateful that the aggressor didn´t murder them all. Just like they murdered people yesterday.
7) Jerusalem is the indivisible capital of the Jewish people. It has been for millenia and always will be. By recognizing that, President Trump only recognized an established fact.
No part of Jerusalem is legal possession of Israel and never has been. It may be the spiritual capital of Judaism, but that has sh*t all to do with Israel, which also happens to be one of the least religious countries on this planet.
Only over my dead body will the Palestinians get even a square inch of Jerusalem to claim as their own.
bla bla bla. You may want to educate yourself on the legal status of Jerusalem, it is not possession of either group, and legally never will be.
My people have suffered long enough, it's time we took what's ours to begin with.
and now it is time to make other people miserable and keep committing genocide. Why don´t you just write you posting in RUNEN.TTF font, that would communicate your mindset without wasting time to read all your made up nonsense.
That's what all Palestinians could have enjoyed, had they not decided to go on a rampage the day after our country was founded 70 years ago.
gosh, even the vast, vast majority of Jewish Israels support the two state solution with damages paid to Palestinians....
Still today, instead of making peace with us, the Palestinians put terrorists in charge of their affairs and assail the borders of Israel.
They just copy Israels success story, after all Israel put terrorists in Charge until they had all died of old age.
Yesterday's events were a clear statement: Israel, unlike America and most of Europe, defends its borders. The people of Israel will not tolerate armed assailants and thugs at their border. Israel (and much less America) bears no responsibility for what happened yesterday. All responsibility rests with the Hamas gangsters in Gaza.
As long as Israel extends one inch outside 1967 borders and Jerusalem isn´t the free international autonomous city it per international law will be, Israel isn´t defending borders, it is just imprisoning and murdering the native population of illegally occupied territory.
Israel and the USA are the sole responsible parties for not having peace in the middle east today.
But keep on trucking, removing Hamas from the EU terrorist list already has lots of support (in politics and courts) and many countries don´t consider Hamas a terrorist organisation in the first place, it is not a terror organisation in Russia, Norway, Switzerland, Turkey, China and Brazil, and only it military arm in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Japan, New Zealand, Australia and the United Kingdom.
Putting the IDF on that list would be a good idea though.
best regards
Thomas