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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:58 pm

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777222LR wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/13/trump-jr-wikileaks-twitter-account-report-coons-tsr-sot.cnn

The Atlantic Reporting that Don Jr. was communicating directly with Wikileaks. Just an FYI, most news agencies are reporting this, not just CNN.
And Wiki leaks was in direct contact with the Russians at that time.



And the Trump campaign knew this at the time. Our country has been so incredibly undermined by this administration. At the heart of this, is Trump, his money (or lack thereof) and his willingness to do anything self-serving to benefit him, and his financial interests. It's appalling. We are no longer the United States of America that I once knew. We are now a country who has stepped away from being a leader in the world, to a nation that has been turned inward toward nationalism, who is anti-immigrant, anti-non christian, race baiting, and a nation that is led by fraudulent leaders who prey on people's uneducated fears to win political gains.
 
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:24 pm

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A judicial nominee "forgot" that he was married to the chief of staff for the nomination process. And, because this was not reported on a right wing outlet, there will be no outrage.


What's worse is that the fact that he barely qualifies as a lawyer, much less a judge, wasn't enough to disqualify him in the first place...

From the article:

"Talley, who is currently a deputy assistant attorney general at the Justice Department, has already sparked controversy with his nomination. He has only practiced law for three years. He has never tried a case in court. And he was deemed “not qualified” to be a judge by the American Bar Association, making him Trump’s fourth judicial nominee to earn the rare and abysmal rating by the nation’s top legal organization."

Not that this should surprise anybody anymore. Almost every person Trump has nominated for government position so far is completely unqualified for the job, or downright incompetent. The only required passing grade for Trump is loyalty to him and adherence to far-right 'values'.
Then again, the least competent person in that entire government is Trump himself, so none of this would be shocking to him.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:44 pm

Francoflier wrote:

"Talley, who is currently a deputy assistant attorney general at the Justice Department, has already sparked controversy with his nomination. He has only practiced law for three years. He has never tried a case in court. And he was deemed “not qualified” to be a judge by the American Bar Association, making him Trump’s fourth judicial nominee to earn the rare and abysmal rating by the nation’s top legal organization."

Not that this should surprise anybody anymore. Almost every person Trump has nominated for government position so far is completely unqualified for the job, or downright incompetent. The only required passing grade for Trump is loyalty to him and adherence to far-right 'values'.

I would not be surprised if Trump nominated a turnip in a KKK robe. It would certainly be smarter than many of his other nominees.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:41 pm

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Treason, under the Constitution, is narrowly defined. Collusion to meddle in an election would not, IMHO, qualify as Treason. It might if the country was in a state of war at the time.

Has it been codified in US Code or interpreted under case law? I don't know the answer to that question, but I would suspect either or both to be true.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:52 pm

OA412 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
Treason, under the Constitution, is narrowly defined. Collusion to meddle in an election would not, IMHO, qualify as Treason. It might if the country was in a state of war at the time.

Has it been codified in US Code or interpreted under case law? I don't know the answer to that question, but I would suspect either or both to be true.

It looks to me like this section of the U.S. Code is what you want:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text ... hapter-115

I don't know how to effectively go about searching for case law which I presume would mean trial records and court decisions.

Wikipedia gives a list of persons who have been tried and convicted of treason in the USA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ted_States

Perhaps searching on those names would turn up case details.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:11 pm

OA412 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
Treason, under the Constitution, is narrowly defined. Collusion to meddle in an election would not, IMHO, qualify as Treason. It might if the country was in a state of war at the time.

Has it been codified in US Code or interpreted under case law? I don't know the answer to that question, but I would suspect either or both to be true.


Why discuss the official legal definition of treason? You will never end this debate in the legal sense because ultimately it will be decided in court if it comes to that.
So can't we use the plain definition of treason by the Oxford / Cambridge dictionary?

The English version: "the committing of a crime that seriously threatens the safety of your country"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... gh-treason

Even the American version: "the crime of making war against the government of your country, or attempting to help an enemy take control of your country" can be eligible in this situation, whom is actually in control of the White House?

But since this an international forum, I suggest we use the English version.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:
OA412 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
Treason, under the Constitution, is narrowly defined. Collusion to meddle in an election would not, IMHO, qualify as Treason. It might if the country was in a state of war at the time.

Has it been codified in US Code or interpreted under case law? I don't know the answer to that question, but I would suspect either or both to be true.


Why discuss the official legal definition of treason? You will never end this debate in the legal sense because ultimately it will be decided in court if it comes to that.
So can't we use the plain definition of treason by the Oxford / Cambridge dictionary?

You can use whatever definition you wish.

The question here is whether Donald Trump or his campaign associates or White House operatives have committed and are properly accused of treason.

The answer can be provided only by the definition or definitions applicable under United States law (and the evidence).

Popular usages have nothing to do with the matter. It is entirely possible to hang Mr. Trump for treason in the public square without him being guilty of the crime.

I think he is guilty of a lot of things, some of them possibly being criminal under our laws. I have not yet seen evidence of treason. Maybe Mr. Mueller has.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:56 am

Another big win for trump. A special counselor for the Clinton crimes is probably coming: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... al-counsel

Put them behind bars!!

And the state visits were another huge victory, the people love and respect Trump and accept him as the leader of the world. It was a glorious success. ....... for China.
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:13 am

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It was a glorious success. ....... for China.


Careful... you're showing your true colors there.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:45 am

I must say german media gave me a laugh this morning:

An article called "How to manipulate Trump in 8 easy steps"

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/art ... itten.html

Step 1:

have a large military parade

Step 2:

golden presents and Golf

Step 3:

Pomp and Circumstance

Step 4:

flattery and giving the impression of giving trump a special courtesy

Step 5:

simple food (Japan served burgers from Kobe beef, China made the Chinese dinner western style)

Step 6:

consider his private business interests

Step 7:

show to be an autocratic leader or express your support for such leadership style by attacking the press

Step 8:

support his election campaign
 
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:47 am

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Another big win for trump. A special counselor for the Clinton crimes is probably coming: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... al-counsel

Put them behind bars!!

And the state visits were another huge victory, the people love and respect Trump and accept him as the leader of the world. It was a glorious success. ....... for China.


You mean the "crime" that had to be approved by several high level government agencies and Hillary was most likely not involved?

http://deadstate.org/shep-smith-debunks ... olleagues/

That "crime"?

And just gloss over the fawning and love fest tRump had with two dictators.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:48 am

seahawk wrote:
I must say german media gave me a laugh this morning:

An article called "How to manipulate Trump in 8 easy steps"

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/art ... itten.html

Step 1:

have a large military parade

Step 2:

golden presents and Golf

Step 3:

Pomp and Circumstance

Step 4:

flattery and giving the impression of giving trump a special courtesy

Step 5:

simple food (Japan served burgers from Kobe beef, China made the Chinese dinner western style)

Step 6:

consider his private business interests

Step 7:

show to be an autocratic leader or express your support for such leadership style by attacking the press

Step 8:

support his election campaign


Spot on, would say...
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:02 pm

BTW, this investigation into the uranium deal, does anyone think the timing of the investigations comes at a strange time? I mean: why weren't they investigated when Republicans had control of both houses of Congress? Why was none of this discussed during the campaign? The timing of bringing this up seems suspicious.
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:16 pm

And so it starts. Time for the Republicans to come clean, either to support the president or to impeach him. Interesting times.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 56611.html
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:35 pm

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The timing of bringing this up seems suspicious.

Isn't this he same argument used by various scumbags such as Moore in Alabama?
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:26 am

BobPatterson wrote:
seb146 wrote:
The timing of bringing this up seems suspicious.

Isn't this he same argument used by various scumbags such as Moore in Alabama?


Oh, the irony...
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:27 am

Shouldn't Sessions be removed from office if he can not remember so much? All his answers are how he can not remember. There are even pictures that show him meeting people he says he does not remember. How is he effective if he can not remember anything important like meeting Russians?
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:17 am

You can say a lot about Trump, but he is a source of endless entertainment.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/9309 ... 48/video/1

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/sta ... 20/photo/1

What goes around, comes around.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:08 pm

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You can say a lot about Trump, but he is a source of endless entertainment.


I don't like that wee feel of choking that goes with it.

We've been very lucky with Reagan.
I hope we can weather Trump with similar amounts of luck.
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:14 pm

WIederling wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
You can say a lot about Trump, but he is a source of endless entertainment.


I don't like that wee feel of choking that goes with it.

We've been very lucky with Reagan.
I hope we can weather Trump with similar amounts of luck.



It is easier when you don't live in America I guess. The rest of the world "only" needs to worry about Trump starting a nuclear war and Trump & co refusal to do something about climate change.
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Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:23 am

His success got to be in the great improvised speeches he delivers:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHzv-UDXeC4


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Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:51 am

And we can sleep a little better tonight, thanks to John Hyten. Kuddos to him for taking his job seriously.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rike-order
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:34 pm

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The rest of the world "only" needs to worry about Trump starting a nuclear war and Trump & co refusal to do something about climate change.


I wouldn't be so sure. It's easy to underestimate the damage his heinousness and stupidity can engender.

Trump's disastrous diplomacy and geopolitical strategy (if one can call it that) is bound to profoundly change the global scene for a long time to come.

He is precipitating the rise of China as a World superpower and the de facto acknowledgement of its undemocratic leadership and lack of respect for human rights.
His natural affinity with autocrats and dictators is empowering other rogue nations in furthering their oppressive regimes, starting with Putin's Russia, and including el-Sisi's Egypt, Duterte's Philippines, Erdogan's Turkey, etc.
The West's values of justice equality, freedom and people's power over their governments are being so severely undermined and deprecated by Trump's 'leadership' that the US is now used by despots as an example of the pointlessness of democracy and as a justification of their amoral behaviors.

Once Trump is done unleashing his ineptitude on the World, the global political landscape will have been turned on its head and a new World order will likely emerge, one in which the US will find itself being a relatively much smaller player in, at the expense of most democratic values.
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Re: The Success of President Donald Trump

Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:02 am

I wonder if his net worth will also turn out to be inflated by more than an order of magnitude.... and not just his revenue:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tr ... mg00000009

On the bright side: He probably can´t funnel enough tax payer money into his pockets to make up for the freefall in value of his other holdings....

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