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US to ban travel to N Korea

Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:24 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40680500

I suspect the reason for the ban may lay in possible action against NK by the US and allies after August. Remove possible hostages/human shields long before the event. Lets see in Japan and others follow a similar path.
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Re: US to ban travel to N Korea

Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:37 pm

Would be quite unwise to attack North Korea. Don't think the US and especially neighboring countries will do this. Perhaps just the same as Americans were not allowed to travel to Cuba.
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:41 pm

I agree with you, but I do not find Trump to be a wise diplomat. Let's keep talking to NK.
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:51 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Lets see in Japan and others follow a similar path.


most countries don´t tell there citizens where they can and can´t go. You know, freedom and such....

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Re: US to ban travel to N Korea

Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:55 pm

US Urges All Nationals In North Korea To "Depart Immediately"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-2 ... s-visiting
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Re: US to ban travel to N Korea

Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:09 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
US Urges All Nationals In North Korea To "Depart Immediately"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-2 ... s-visiting


ah... Trump decided he needs to kill lots of people to disctrect people from being a traitor....

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Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:31 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
US Urges All Nationals In North Korea To "Depart Immediately"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-2 ... s-visiting


ah... Trump decided he needs to kill lots of people to disctrect people from being a traitor....

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Are you thinking "wag the dog?"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/

Nice movie :D
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Re: US to ban travel to N Korea

Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:35 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Are you thinking "wag the dog?"


SOP
But yeah, a good movie to watch...

edit: wasn´t the problem in that one sex with underaged girls?

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Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:35 pm

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-war-crime ... son-638404

"Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in Doha, Qatar, July 11. He is closing the Office of Global Criminal Justice, which advises the secretary of state on issues surrounding war crimes and genocide, and helps form policy to address such atrocities."

"When this war is over, North Korean will only be spoken in hell" sounds like something Trump would say....

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Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:53 pm

ah shucks, got to change vacation plans...
 
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Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:57 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40680500

I suspect the reason for the ban may lay in possible action against NK by the US and allies after August. Remove possible hostages/human shields long before the event. Lets see in Japan and others follow a similar path.


I think the US government is tired of North Korea holding its citizens hostage as bargaining chips. I've always been fascinated by North Korean and would have liked to visit for a few days just to see the place, but I think any American would be extremely foolish to go there these days. With that said, I think it should be people's right to go there if they choose. I fundamentally disagree with any government telling its citizens where they can and can't go.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:48 am

Actually, this is a travel ban I can live with...

To be honest, I have always been quite disgusted by those who got their kicks from witnessing first hand the horrible, dysfunctional misery that is NK, along with brutal oppression and starving population, while knowingly funding the fat kid's personal fund.

Yes, I know a few on A.net went there and did it, and I don't care that you get to fly an Il-68, giving money to the man who uses it to but himself luxury cars and fancy booze while he tortures an entire population is just wrong.
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Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:38 am

Francoflier wrote:
Actually, this is a travel ban I can live with...

To be honest, I have always been quite disgusted by those who got their kicks from witnessing first hand the horrible, dysfunctional misery that is NK, along with brutal oppression and starving population, while knowingly funding the fat kid's personal fund.

Yes, I know a few on A.net went there and did it, and I don't care that you get to fly an Il-68, giving money to the man who uses it to but himself luxury cars and fancy booze while he tortures an entire population is just wrong.


I certainly won't travel there for that reason. Yes, that means I won't understand how peace living the NK regime is, but it also means I'm not directly supporting the regime.
 
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Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:02 pm

What took the government so long? And, why on earth would anyone enter that country knowing what could possibly happen?
 
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Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:14 pm

Quote "North Korean leader Kim Jong-un personally supervised the midnight test launch of the missile, saying it was a “stern warning” for Washington that it would not be safe from destruction if it tries to attack, North Korea’s KCNA news agency reported."

So instead of issuing a simple "why the hell would we want to attack a country that's stuck in the 19th century", they send over a couple of B-1b's......Yeah that will help defuse any tension.

Amazingly, I actually agree with Trump on something, it's time for China to crack the whip and get them back in line.
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:25 am

I wonder if Kim actually launched a missile against the US and an American city would be destroyed, what the popular reaction in the world would be.
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I wonder if Kim actually launched a missile against the US and an American city would be destroyed, what the popular reaction in the world would be.

Which city?
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:51 am

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TWA772LR wrote:
I wonder if Kim actually launched a missile against the US and an American city would be destroyed, what the popular reaction in the world would be.

Which city?

Do you think world opinion would differ if the city was Tacoma, WA, rather than, say, Portland, OR or Eureka, CA?
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:56 am

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TWA772LR wrote:
I wonder if Kim actually launched a missile against the US and an American city would be destroyed, what the popular reaction in the world would be.

Which city?

The one with Americans in it in a state between but not limited to Alabama and Wyoming, alphabetically.
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:31 am

rwsea wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40680500

I suspect the reason for the ban may lay in possible action against NK by the US and allies after August. Remove possible hostages/human shields long before the event. Lets see in Japan and others follow a similar path.


I think the US government is tired of North Korea holding its citizens hostage as bargaining chips. I've always been fascinated by North Korean and would have liked to visit for a few days just to see the place, but I think any American would be extremely foolish to go there these days. With that said, I think it should be people's right to go there if they choose. I fundamentally disagree with any government telling its citizens where they can and can't go.


NK is pretty popular with steam railway enthusiasts.

Travel ban to NK means Trump is calling back his "NGO cloaked" spies.

The US might want to fix their "shot while driving black" issue and similar _local_ uncivilized behaviour first.

Stepping in for the rights of foreigners in their own country tends to have rather strong self interest aspects.
No altruism present at all.

Finally isolating NK keeps the regime alive. The Soviet Union foundered from opening its borders
and thus some hands on comparison. Would they have held the iron curtain closed ...
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:15 am

BobPatterson wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I wonder if Kim actually launched a missile against the US and an American city would be destroyed, what the popular reaction in the world would be.

Which city?

Do you think world opinion would differ if the city was Tacoma, WA, rather than, say, Portland, OR or Eureka, CA?

World opinion will be the same regardless, but I can't help but think that rural America will be ecstatic if it was LA, SF, Portland, or Seattle. To quote them: "It's punishment for 'X'".
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The Soviet Union foundered from opening its borders
and thus some hands on comparison. Would they have held the iron curtain closed ...

The Union was already on the verge of collapsing due to the war efforts in Afghanistan and a stagnating economy. There would have been no need to reform the Union (glasnost and perestroika) if leadership truly believed the Union was still healthy. The problem was that the reforms were made too quick and Moscow showed no signs of reasserting control. But let's not forget that the states also voted to keep the Union alive in a much more looser confederation (I'm guessing it would have been akin to the European Union) before the August coup threw a wrench in the plans.
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:06 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
Which city?

Do you think world opinion would differ if the city was Tacoma, WA, rather than, say, Portland, OR or Eureka, CA?

World opinion will be the same regardless, but I can't help but think that rural America will be ecstatic if it was LA, SF, Portland, or Seattle. To quote them: "It's punishment for 'X'".


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Re: US to ban travel to N Korea

Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:17 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
Which city?

Do you think world opinion would differ if the city was Tacoma, WA, rather than, say, Portland, OR or Eureka, CA?

World opinion will be the same regardless, but I can't help but think that rural America will be ecstatic if it was LA, SF, Portland, or Seattle. To quote them: "It's punishment for 'X'".


You mean like rural America signed up to fight after New York City got attacked on 9/11 while many New Yorkers just turned around and said things to the effect of "well, Muslims are all just peace-loving people, we had it coming for "interfering" in the Middle East"?
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:42 pm

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You mean like rural America signed up to fight after New York City got attacked on 9/11 while many New Yorkers just turned around and said things to the effect of "well, Muslims are all just peace-loving people, we had it coming for "interfering" in the Middle East"?

No. I mean the rural America that thinks earthquakes and droughts are God's wrath on those cities for having the "gheys" and "libruls" while tornadoes and hurricanes in their terrain is just the Lord working in mysterious ways; the rural America that thinks non-Whites are ruining America; the rural America that criticizes urban America for its "alternate" healthy lifestyle, while being obese and shopping on a motor cart through the local Wal-Mart.

THAT rural America.
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:12 pm

Pyrex wrote:
You mean like rural America signed up to fight after New York City got attacked on 9/11 while many New Yorkers just turned around and said things to the effect of "well, Muslims are all just peace-loving people, we had it coming for "interfering" in the Middle East"?


and out of the 60 to 70 million rural Americans, how many did you think signed up? Since the US army where not able to meat staffing goals as early as 2005, i´d say rural america turned around quite quickly as well.

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Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:37 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
You mean like rural America signed up to fight after New York City got attacked on 9/11 while many New Yorkers just turned around and said things to the effect of "well, Muslims are all just peace-loving people, we had it coming for "interfering" in the Middle East"?


and out of the 60 to 70 million rural Americans, how many did you think signed up? Since the US army where not able to meat staffing goals as early as 2005, i´d say rural america turned around quite quickly as well.


The rescued in Irak with much press ado maiden driver was a perfect example.
No military interest at all.
But signed up to get away from her redneck environment and aquire an education on the way.
i.e. those that sign up do this on grounds of individual progress, lack of local perspective
and not some deranged patriotic mumblings.
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