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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:24 pm

And there we go again. The Trump White House by Sarah Sanders said Trump did give his son advice and helped with his statement, contrary that what was said before. Although Sanders stressed that there were no inaccuracies, since the White House has outright lied or mislead the public, I can't take this statement on face value anymore.

So what's next?
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:14 pm

Dutchy wrote:
And there we go again. The Trump White House by Sarah Sanders said Trump did give his son advice and helped with his statement, contrary that what was said before. Although Sanders stressed that there were no inaccuracies, since the White House has outright lied or mislead the public, I can't take this statement on face value anymore.

So what's next?

More of the same, almost certainly.

I would like to be proven wrong, but I doubt that Mr. Trump, or his communications spin staff, is capable of changing.
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:31 am

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I would like to be proven wrong, but I doubt that Mr. Trump, or his communications spin staff, is capable of changing.

And honestly, I'm certain there are people who do NOT want him to change. Just the other day I was talking to my boss and team lead and even though they had their concerns during the election (one is conservative and the other is libertarian but will vote R in order to prevent Democrats from winning), they're happy with Trump because (and I quote) "f*ck the politicians".

At that point, I knew that discussing politics with them would be meaningless because Trump could blow up a nuke in Europe and they'll find a way to justify it (he's altering the political order...). Heck, I brought up Trump's whole "shooting someone on 5th Avenue" and how his supporters would find a way to blame the victim for being in the way, and their explanation was along the lines of "absolutely because you shouldn't get in the way of Trump disturbing the political order in DC" before a nice "f*ck the politicians" was added yet again.
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:23 am

jetero wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:
jetero wrote:


For every Trent Franks, there are 2 or 3 other Republicans that are defending Mueller, some even trying to enact legislation to make it difficult for Trump to get rid of him.

So I'm not sure what your point is.


You said it yourself, others are defending Mueller, so here is a contrary voice.

Point made.

That's all.


And your take on it is ... ?

You agree Mueller should be dismissed?

Should investigation be dismissed?


Mueller out. Investigation over. No facts. Just shit or get off the pot.

New investigation of real crimes by Hillary and others in the last Administration....
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:58 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
jetero wrote:
DIRECTFLT wrote:

You said it yourself, others are defending Mueller, so here is a contrary voice.

Point made.

That's all.


And your take on it is ... ?

You agree Mueller should be dismissed?

Should investigation be dismissed?


Mueller out. Investigation over. No facts. Just shit or get off the pot.

New investigation of real crimes by Hillary and others in the last Administration....


Meuller out, facts and behavior disappears? Interesting, so the criminal investigation is a political process now?
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:00 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
I would like to be proven wrong, but I doubt that Mr. Trump, or his communications spin staff, is capable of changing.

And honestly, I'm certain there are people who do NOT want him to change. Just the other day I was talking to my boss and team lead and even though they had their concerns during the election (one is conservative and the other is libertarian but will vote R in order to prevent Democrats from winning), they're happy with Trump because (and I quote) "f*ck the politicians".

At that point, I knew that discussing politics with them would be meaningless because Trump could blow up a nuke in Europe and they'll find a way to justify it (he's altering the political order...). Heck, I brought up Trump's whole "shooting someone on 5th Avenue" and how his supporters would find a way to blame the victim for being in the way, and their explanation was along the lines of "absolutely because you shouldn't get in the way of Trump disturbing the political order in DC" before a nice "f*ck the politicians" was added yet again.


It is a fallacy to think it is all about communication. It is the lack of leadership, vision, and skill of Mr. Trump and his administration.
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:24 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Mueller out. Investigation over. No facts. Just shit or get off the pot.


The investigation hasn´t even seriously started yet ..... good to see how scared you are that your favorite kleptocracy may go down in flames. So, in effect you already know he is guilty and that Mueller will find enough evidence to convict him, otherwise nothing better could happen to Trump than a full exoneration?
The way things are going, He may even end up serving additional time for laundering money for the Russian Mob, and it is so terribly bad that he won´t be able to fire or silence the people in the Netherlands going after that....

New investigation of real crimes by Hillary and others in the last Administration....


More tax payer money wasted on imaginary crimes, right..... splendid. Why don´t you just go and visit a flood museum...

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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:24 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:

Mueller out. Investigation over. No facts. Just shit or get off the pot.


How long do you think an investigation should be afforded to complete? A matter of weeks? From the beginning it's been acknowledged that this would take a year at the least. But, I know, Sean Hannity is saying every night, "Where is the evidence"/"There is no evidence" (truly fake news) as if it is standard practice to give daily public updates on investigation findings. Wait, I'm sure you agreed with Donald "Mr I know more about ISIS than the generals" Trump who says only idiots telegraph what they're doing to the adversary before they do it. Just because you don't know what has been found to date doesn't mean there's nothing.

DIRECTFLT wrote:
New investigation of real crimes by Hillary and others in the last Administration....


Naturally. Of course! Makes perfect sense. (How long does this one get?)
 
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:56 pm

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Why don´t you just go and visit a flood museum...

Oh, c'mon. Do you really want to escalate this from modest pettifogging crimes all the way to crimes against humanity?

You want to put God on trial?

I'd love to watch an atheist prosecute God.

:-)
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:11 am

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tommy1808 wrote:
Why don´t you just go and visit a flood museum...

Oh, c'mon. Do you really want to escalate this from modest pettifogging crimes all the way to crimes against humanity?


Well... for some republicans it is just politics, for others it is religion. If someone believes Hilary Clinton is a criminal after some 200 Million US$ has been spend trying to find anything usable in court for no results they may very well believe in the flood. It is hard to miss that voting for Trump and thinking Hilary belongs in jail seem to go hand in hand with denying evolution, being scared of vaccines, young earth creationism and what other delusions are out there.

Politics, in facts ideas in general, are like streptococci. Normally beneficial, they can turn into meat eating monsters on occasion, most likely because their procreation math in game theoretical terms changes in a sick body vs. a healthy one. The republican ideas just happens to be in a sick body at the moment and that parasite is eating away and turning the brains of usually good intended average smart and educated people into goo, just in specific fields. Those areas happen to be exactly those that can kill the idea in your head (Trump = good for America dies if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally). Exactly what parasites do. You can find people whose ideas turned rogue in any area, but usually they don´t spread very far. You can see the same happening with proper religion, which basically has only two strains. One that tries to survive by incorporating what we know about reality, what people would call sophisticated believe systems, and the other strain tries to redefine reality, what we call fundamentalists.

You want to put God on trial?

I'd love to watch an atheist prosecute God.


I think it is still required for a person to exist in order to be on trial. But your legal system is weird, so i don´t know.

If the Christian god existed, or his existence was even plausible, DARPA, and agencies like them, should be busy finding ways to target and kill him. The book of Revelation makes a pretty descent clear and present threat.... war on God would be absolutely justified.

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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:55 am

tommy1808 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Why don´t you just go and visit a flood museum...

Oh, c'mon. Do you really want to escalate this from modest pettifogging crimes all the way to crimes against humanity?


Well... for some republicans it is just politics, for others it is religion. If someone believes Hilary Clinton is a criminal after some 200 Million US$ has been spend trying to find anything usable in court for no results they may very well believe in the flood. It is hard to miss that voting for Trump and thinking Hilary belongs in jail seem to go hand in hand with denying evolution, being scared of vaccines, young earth creationism and what other delusions are out there.

Politics, in facts ideas in general, are like streptococci. Normally beneficial, they can turn into meat eating monsters on occasion, most likely because their procreation math in game theoretical terms changes in a sick body vs. a healthy one. The republican ideas just happens to be in a sick body at the moment and that parasite is eating away and turning the brains of usually good intended average smart and educated people into goo, just in specific fields. Those areas happen to be exactly those that can kill the idea in your head (Trump = good for America dies if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally). Exactly what parasites do. You can find people whose ideas turned rogue in any area, but usually they don´t spread very far. You can see the same happening with proper religion, which basically has only two strains. One that tries to survive by incorporating what we know about reality, what people would call sophisticated believe systems, and the other strain tries to redefine reality, what we call fundamentalists.

You want to put God on trial?

I'd love to watch an atheist prosecute God.


I think it is still required for a person to exist in order to be on trial. But your legal system is weird, so i don´t know.

If the Christian god existed, or his existence was even plausible, DARPA, and agencies like them, should be busy finding ways to target and kill him. The book of Revelation makes a pretty descent clear and present threat.... war on God would be absolutely justified.

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One of the best posts I've seen on a.net.

I especially liked your formulation "if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally". I suspect that few people are capable of distinguishing between legal treason which is punishable by law, and moral treason which would probably fail legal tests but nevertheless succeed in an impeachment process.

Thanks, Tommy.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:18 am

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One of the best posts I've seen on a.net.

I especially liked your formulation "if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally". I suspect that few people are capable of distinguishing between legal treason which is punishable by law, and moral treason which would probably fail legal tests but nevertheless succeed in an impeachment process.

Thanks, Tommy.


Thank you. I guess no one foresaw the possibility of a citizen running for high office colluding with a foreign government to manipulate the election process. If anyone had imagines that amount of treason even being possible, they would have codified it.

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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:56 am

BobPatterson wrote:
I especially liked your formulation "if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally". I suspect that few people are capable of distinguishing between legal treason which is punishable by law, and moral treason which would probably fail legal tests but nevertheless succeed in an impeachment process.

Thanks, Tommy.


So you are siding with Trump.

"Well, I don't know if he did or didn't when he said he did, so let's just let it go.."
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:04 am

seb146 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
I especially liked your formulation "if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally". I suspect that few people are capable of distinguishing between legal treason which is punishable by law, and moral treason which would probably fail legal tests but nevertheless succeed in an impeachment process.

Thanks, Tommy.


So you are siding with Trump.

"Well, I don't know if he did or didn't when he said he did, so let's just let it go.."


Except for district where it is close, it should not effect the seat, that is the consequence of "the winner takes" all principle.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:54 pm

CNN reporting Mueller has impaneled a grand jury--for whom and what unknown
 
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:43 pm

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CNN reporting Mueller has impaneled a grand jury--for whom and what unknown


Special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe heats up
Special counsel Robert Mueller is impaneling a grand jury in the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, according to The Wall Street Journal.
It's a sign the probe is intensifying and could drag on for months.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/03/special ... ports.html
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:46 pm

Dutchy wrote:
jetero wrote:
CNN reporting Mueller has impaneled a grand jury--for whom and what unknown


Special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe heats up
Special counsel Robert Mueller is impaneling a grand jury in the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, according to The Wall Street Journal.
It's a sign the probe is intensifying and could drag on for months.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/03/special ... ports.html


Thanks for the description of what a grand jury actually does!
 
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:11 pm

seb146 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
I especially liked your formulation "if you have to accept that he committed treason, either legally or morally". I suspect that few people are capable of distinguishing between legal treason which is punishable by law, and moral treason which would probably fail legal tests but nevertheless succeed in an impeachment process.

Thanks, Tommy.


So you are siding with Trump.

"Well, I don't know if he did or didn't when he said he did, so let's just let it go.."

Claiming that I "side with Trump" is rather a breathtaking assertion. But considering the source of the statement it takes just a single breath.

Congratulations for proving the hypothesis that there are people incapable of making distinctions.
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:29 pm

As Mueller closes in, Trump prepares his base for the worst

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... the-worst/


In there...there is a great NYT piece on Trump's lying...interesting read.....oh sorry,....FAKE NEWS

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/us/p ... &smtyp=cur
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:27 pm

727LOVER wrote:
As Mueller closes in, Trump prepares his base for the worst

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... the-worst/


In there...there is a great NYT piece on Trump's lying...interesting read.....oh sorry,....FAKE NEWS

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/us/p ... &smtyp=cur


Going to be interesting to watch what will happen to Mr. Meuller and if he will be able to finish his job. And of course what the reaction will be of congress.
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Trump's reign to finish any day now. For sure
 
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:13 pm

Freakysh wrote:
Trump's reign to finish any day now. For sure

Based on what evidence?

Please try to be precise in describing your evidence.

Thanks

P.S.: In another thread you wrote: "Thank God I'm not American. It's little wonder trump got voted in. Between the pathetic alternatives and the media so desperately wanting to discredit him, it was a fait accompli. Now that he's in? The same tactic is applied. I can see two terms coming, hell even id vote for him, as a message to the left supporters and the media. You guys are screwed!"

You saw two terms coming, now you see an end as President "any day."

Are you just a bit confused?
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:45 am

BobPatterson wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Trump's reign to finish any day now. For sure

Based on what evidence?

Please try to be precise in describing your evidence.

Thanks

P.S.: In another thread you wrote: "Thank God I'm not American. It's little wonder trump got voted in. Between the pathetic alternatives and the media so desperately wanting to discredit him, it was a fait accompli. Now that he's in? The same tactic is applied. I can see two terms coming, hell even id vote for him, as a message to the left supporters and the media. You guys are screwed!"

You saw two terms coming, now you see an end as President "any day."

Are you just a bit confused?


Sarcasm champ.

Try to keep up.
 
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:46 pm

Freakysh wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
Trump's reign to finish any day now. For sure

Based on what evidence?

Please try to be precise in describing your evidence.

Thanks

P.S.: In another thread you wrote: "Thank God I'm not American. It's little wonder trump got voted in. Between the pathetic alternatives and the media so desperately wanting to discredit him, it was a fait accompli. Now that he's in? The same tactic is applied. I can see two terms coming, hell even id vote for him, as a message to the left supporters and the media. You guys are screwed!"

You saw two terms coming, now you see an end as President "any day."

Are you just a bit confused?


Sarcasm champ.

Try to keep up.

What did you consider sarcasm?

"Trump's reign to finish any day now"?

or

"Thank God I'm not American"?
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:45 pm

BobPatterson wrote:
Freakysh wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
Based on what evidence?

Please try to be precise in describing your evidence.

Thanks

P.S.: In another thread you wrote: "Thank God I'm not American. It's little wonder trump got voted in. Between the pathetic alternatives and the media so desperately wanting to discredit him, it was a fait accompli. Now that he's in? The same tactic is applied. I can see two terms coming, hell even id vote for him, as a message to the left supporters and the media. You guys are screwed!"

You saw two terms coming, now you see an end as President "any day."

Are you just a bit confused?


Sarcasm champ.

Try to keep up.

What did you consider sarcasm?

"Trump's reign to finish any day now"?

or

"Thank God I'm not American"?


Seriously? The former.
 
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Re: The investigation of Donald Trump

Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:56 am

Looks like Paul Manafort had an unexpected dawn visit from the FBI, courtesy of Mueller:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-exec ... d=49112676
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:00 am

ThePointblank wrote:
Looks like Paul Manafort had an unexpected dawn visit from the FBI, courtesy of Mueller:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-exec ... d=49112676


I guess many of the key players can expect such a visit. Hopefully, they have the coffee ready for a bunch of FBI agents :D
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