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DIRECTFLT wrote:WarRI1 wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:
They are having a slow start for sure on that slogan.
Actually, that's the front of a t-shirt that's selling well over at InfoWars.com
WarRI1 wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:WarRI1 wrote:
They are having a slow start for sure on that slogan.
Actually, that's the front of a t-shirt that's selling well over at InfoWars.com
That I can understand, I am talking about real accomplishments for the American people such as heathcare and jobs.
DIRECTFLT wrote:Trying to "fix" healthcare, is about as easy as auditing the Defense Dept., which I don't think has ever been done.
treetreeseven wrote:On the actual thread topic, I think Trump has no shot in 2020. It's not gonna happen. I also think there will be a 2018 Dem sweep in Congress, and they won't even take off their jackets before getting the impeachment ball rolling if it isn't already.
Dutchy wrote:Ah yes, just to grab any chance to have a go at Moslims, well done. And indeed you can't be denied any, shell we say, moral flexibility, grabbing this subject and linking Trump and defending women's rights.
BobPatterson wrote:Are you suggesting that a rapist is dissuaded from raping merely by granting him asylum?
Seems to me that kind of thinking should earn one space in an asylum of some sort.
LMP737 wrote:Here's the thing, Americans have more to fear from their fellow Americans than immigrants.
pvjin wrote:Weird, our statistics show exact opposite as far as criminality of different demographic groups go.
330west wrote:pvjin wrote:Weird, our statistics show exact opposite as far as criminality of different demographic groups go.
We all know what your agenda is.
pvjin wrote:Weird, our statistics show exact opposite as far as criminality of different demographic groups go.
LMP737 wrote:pvjin wrote:Weird, our statistics show exact opposite as far as criminality of different demographic groups go.
What statistics show is happening in your country is not my concern.
330west wrote:pvjin wrote:Weird, our statistics show exact opposite as far as criminality of different demographic groups go.
We all know what your agenda is.
pvjin wrote:BobPatterson wrote:Are you suggesting that a rapist is dissuaded from raping merely by granting him asylum?
Seems to me that kind of thinking should earn one space in an asylum of some sort.
Nah, in fact I believe they would also rape if they got their asylum application accepted. But as long as they had pending asylum applications they had a motivation to try behave at least somewhat decently.
tommy1808 wrote:Well, and we know he made up numbers to support his argument before, when he was talking about Sweden..so there is only reason to expect him to pick his data more careful, but it is perfectly clear that he has zero interest in facts. At least no more than "fair and balanced" Fox news...
tommy1808 wrote:Oh, you mean how hard and long prison time keeps people law-abiding? Aside from, well,.that it doesn't. ..
pvjin wrote:
Sure, but what is happening here might also happen in your country if you decide to take a similar approach to refugee crisis.
LMP737 wrote:You are aware that most of the people in the United States are the result of someone one fleeing, for whatever reason, from another country?
pvjin wrote:Another report, "Reported rapes committed by foreigners increased by 40%":
I'm not making up numbers, I'm simply telling the truth. I never made up any numbers
Long prison time keeps criminals away from ordinary law abiding citizen, and that's its main function.
tommy1808 wrote:*Reported* rapes increased by 40%....
Wenn habe People of your kind making up rape stories here all the time too, you know... Police actually starts going after people reporting rapes by refugees.
Many policemen and investigators interviewed by HS.fi say that the high rate of sexual crimes among Iraqis is heavily influenced by the circumstances in Iraq.
Iraq has been a war zone for a long time, and the young men coming from there have grown in the middle of violence. Some of them have also participated in the battles themselves.
Many have broken families, and in Finland social control of the Iraqi community and the family is lacking.
In addition, according to a number of experts the crime rate is also influenced by different ideas of women's rights.
What do the Iraqis think themselves? Also Iraqi interviewed by HS highlighted cultural differences.
The Iraqi woman working for Finnish refugee assistance estimates that the situation is greatly affected by the weak position of women in Iraq.
According to her, in Iraq children are raisedto the fact that boys and men have completely different rights than girls and women. Women and men, in her view, are not equal in Iraq even before the law.
"Men are growing in this culture and they think they have the same rights here," she says.
She also notes, that during the war a very large number of women have been raped in Iraq, and the situation has gotten any better with rise of ISIS.
An Iraqi man tells he knows many Iraqi men and women who think woman can't say no to sex in marriage.
He also estimates that Iraqi men may interpret behaviour of Finnish women wrongly for many reasons.
Iraq has no dating culture, so men might not know how to behave during a date, and read correctly what women mean with their behaviour. Iraqi men also aren't used to seeing women drunk, which can cause misunderstandings.
Another Iraqi man says that some of the asylum seekers originally came to Finland simply for a short vacation, and they had no intent whatsoever to integrate to Finnish society and its rules.
tommy1808 wrote:Of course you did. You kept talking about explodding rape cases, when the fact was the line barely twitched. ..
tommy1808 wrote:The year 1900 called and wants your outdated and socially damaging philosophy about the *correction* system back and Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria is laughing at you from his grave, being that much smarter than you in the 1760s...
pvjin wrote:Instead of pursuing rapists German police goes after the victims in true Sharia fashion! How progressive.
A quote from the news article:
Many policemen and investigators interviewed by HS.fi say that the high rate of sexual crimes among Iraqis is heavily influenced by the circumstances in Iraq.
Should I believe the Finnish police forces, experts and Iraqis themselves, or a far left liberal from Germany? Not a difficult choice for me.
No, you simply chose to misunderstand what I was talking about. I never claimed exploding amount of rape cases in Sweden as a result of newest refugee crisis, they've imported so many rapists over the past decades that the latest invasion would hardly cause that much of an impact there. What I was talking about were the long term trends.
[/quote]In the 1760's there were no social welfare or masses of "refugees" invading Europe with no intent to ever integrate. Thoughts from that era are utterly irrelevant nowadays, things have changed.
pvjin wrote:Sure I am. I'm also aware of the problems this has created as there's quite a bit of tension between certain ethnic groups in your country.
tommy1808 wrote:Oh, certainly the police. But since you lied before about that kind of stuff, there just is no reason to believe that is what the police is saying.
tommy1808 wrote:Since you made up numbers before, there is no reason to assume this isn't just a highly selected quote, ripped out of context, Trump/FOX news style.
tommy1808 wrote:But since this is of topic and there is no point to argue with liars anyways.....
LMP737 wrote:Please elaborate.
pvjin wrote:Mainly Black Lives Matter and other racial tension caused by deep demographic inequality in the American society.
pvjin wrote:Dutchy wrote:Ah yes, just to grab any chance to have a go at Moslims, well done. And indeed you can't be denied any, shell we say, moral flexibility, grabbing this subject and linking Trump and defending women's rights.
I had a go at rapists and those who defend them, I'm deeply disgusted by the way you are linking Muslims and rape together.
pvjin wrote:I'm not making up numbers, I'm simply telling the truth. I never made up any numbers when I was talking about Sweden either. I have full interest in facts, you clearly don't.
LMP737 wrote:That has nothing to do with immigration and or refugees.
pvjin wrote:
It has, the problem wouldn't exist if nobody ever emigrated to Americas after its original inhabitants arrived there from Asia.
Dutchy wrote:Only your big mouth is the result, not an exchange of ideas or you show any respect.
LMP737 wrote:You have no idea what you are talking about do you?
LittleFokker wrote:BartSimpson wrote:Quick question: Does he really want to be re-elected? As I see him, he always wants to become something, not be something. By 2020 he`s probably bored by the whole circus and just wants to leave DC. And he will be 74 by then.
He doesn't want to be President now, it's obvious based on all the leaks of his (lack of) work ethic. However, his fragile little ego couldn't handle being labelled a quitter.
I sometimes can't tell if he really is a megalomaniac dictator wannabe with evil in his heart or just a cocky rich asshole who wants to stir the pot and not have any negative consequences for doing so. Whichever is more true, he is still entirely unfit for the office and a hazard for national security.
DIRECTFLT wrote:WarRI1 wrote:DIRECTFLT wrote:
Actually, that's the front of a t-shirt that's selling well over at InfoWars.com
That I can understand, I am talking about real accomplishments for the American people such as heathcare and jobs.
Trying to "fix" healthcare, is about as easy as auditing the Defense Dept., which I don't think has ever been done.
pvjin wrote:My agenda doesn't matter, facts do and my statements are based on them. I'm a voice of reason in this post-truth era where increasingly many people place their personal subjective feelings over science and statistics.
Braniff1 wrote:Oh yes, the Muslim world, suppression of human rights, torture, murder and hatred against everyone different; where women are treated with less respect than a camel. It is easy to believe that you may be that fat crazy kid in your avatar. Obviously you are the greatest fool on the board. Your writing bespeaks what you really are; why do you hide behind a mental idiots face, put a real picture in that avatar. But then, I'm sure you're to embarrassed to show your face. No need to respond, classless clown.
BobPatterson wrote:Your agenda does matter.
Please put Putin back as Avatar. The Ugly Clown does you no good. It makes you look silly.
BobPatterson wrote:727LOVER wrote:Also, another big factor is the economy. A recession or at the very least, minimal growth, in late 2018 into most of 2019 could spell doom.
I won't predict in terms of percentage of chances, but I strongly suspect that Republicans will pay heavily in the 2018 mid-term elections, and that President Trump is likely to be impeached and found guilty (or to have resigned) prior to the 2020 presidential election.
pvjin wrote:And don't tell me what avatar to use, you have none.BobPatterson wrote:Your agenda does matter.
Please put Putin back as Avatar. The Ugly Clown does you no good. It makes you look silly.
Naah, I'm getting seriously bored of fooling around in this forum with the quality of discussion going downhill year after year. All the funny guys are gone, mostly just hateful Atheist douchebags like Braniff left.
DIRECTFLT wrote:
Trying to "fix" healthcare, is about as easy as auditing the Defense Dept., which I don't think has ever been done.
pvjin wrote:Dutchy wrote:Only your big mouth is the result, not an exchange of ideas or you show any respect.
You don't want to exchange ideas, you've already made up your mind. That's what is common with all of your European liberals, you absolutely refuse to listen to any information that conflicts with your world view. No matter how many facts I present you about problems with migration you deny them all. This is the "post-truth" world we live in.
Anyway, I've enjoyed these discussions. You people have convinced me that the West indeed has no hope left, and in fact Western cultures and societies deserve their demise. In the end conservatism will win and Europe will once again be populated by people who respect their own culture, laws and traditions, this time they are simply Muslim instead of Christian.
PS. I've never really ranted about Muslims and Muslim world, but Western world and its weakness. I have utmost respect for Muslims and Islamic world, for they resist the degeneracy which has taken over most of the West. They are strong, and I like strong people.LMP737 wrote:You have no idea what you are talking about do you?
Braniff1 wrote:Just a question, why do any of you pander to this moron? It is all too obvious that he is bored with a pathetic life. He somehow believes he knows all the facts pertinent to all facets of human existence. I have rarely listen to or read of someone so out of touch with reality. His user-name is an astronumerology acronym so pumped full with self-serving reference that any weak person could apply it to their own shallow ego to feel better. This guy is a clown; so I ask again, why do any of you pander to this moron? .
BobPatterson wrote:I find his posts to usually be interesting and sometimes even intriguing.
salttee wrote:BobPatterson wrote:I find his posts to usually be interesting and sometimes even intriguing.
Really?
You never noticed that they are always coated in a most juvenile form of arrogance and completely devoid of substance?
You must just like the sound of his hollow words.
Sort of like an Evangelical sermon I suppose.
I don't see why the site lets him post here, he fits every definition of a troll that I know.
BobPatterson wrote:For a truly humorous post, scroll down to MY post in that thread.
salttee wrote:BobPatterson wrote:For a truly humorous post, scroll down to MY post in that thread.
Wow! You tell a joke and then publicly make the claim that your joke was the best joke.
I thought that was something only Donald Trump would do.
Revelation wrote:He's not a young man. Just sayin'...
BobPatterson wrote:someone whose views you don't like
salttee wrote:BobPatterson wrote:someone whose views you don't like
It runs deeper than that; and as I said, he fits every definition of a troll that I know.
You missed the acronym and obviously a lot more.
But I'm now done with you and this conversation.
Francoflier wrote:Revelation wrote:He's not a young man. Just sayin'...
Nor does he lead a very healthy life...
The stress of a 'normal' presidency seemed to take its toll on his predecessors, all of whom were younger than him when they took office (except Reagan I think) and seemed to take better care of themselves. I can't imagine what his presidency will do to him.
Then again that might be why he's only doing it part-time.
ER757 wrote:Francoflier wrote:Revelation wrote:He's not a young man. Just sayin'...
Nor does he lead a very healthy life...
The stress of a 'normal' presidency seemed to take its toll on his predecessors, all of whom were younger than him when they took office (except Reagan I think) and seemed to take better care of themselves. I can't imagine what his presidency will do to him.
Then again that might be why he's only doing it part-time.
I think this is his ticket out - and I think some in his party are quietly going to "suggest" to him in the not too distant future that he is having health problems that prevent him from fulfilling his duties and he will need to step down. He walks away with his record un-tarnished by being impeached and/or removed from office and the party gets what they want, a true conservative in the oval office while not having to go through the public spectacle of having to throw one of their own under the bus in an impeachment hearing.
BobPatterson wrote:ER757 wrote:Francoflier wrote:
Nor does he lead a very healthy life...
The stress of a 'normal' presidency seemed to take its toll on his predecessors, all of whom were younger than him when they took office (except Reagan I think) and seemed to take better care of themselves. I can't imagine what his presidency will do to him.
Then again that might be why he's only doing it part-time.
I think this is his ticket out - and I think some in his party are quietly going to "suggest" to him in the not too distant future that he is having health problems that prevent him from fulfilling his duties and he will need to step down. He walks away with his record un-tarnished by being impeached and/or removed from office and the party gets what they want, a true conservative in the oval office while not having to go through the public spectacle of having to throw one of their own under the bus in an impeachment hearing.
Nah. Mr. Trump will willingly sacrifice himself by faithfully serving to the end. Resigning over poor health would be a sign of weakness.
