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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 09, 2017 11:37 am

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None of the above really answers the question why if there are so many decent jobs in Poland/Germany etc we have 3 million workers here.


That's like asking why do almost 1 million Brits live in Spain: because they can and wanted to. So the answer is because they moved there and there were jobs for them. Language is an issue, too. As is the relative attractiveness of each country.

But except for the extremely specialised jobs like investment banking, they might as well have learnt German or Danish instead and work there instead. Or just stay home (for the Poles, Romanians, etc. which are experiencing labour shortages right now).
 
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 09, 2017 11:38 am

LAH1 wrote:
None of the above really answers the question why if there are so many decent jobs in Poland/Germany etc we have 3 million workers here.


UK ran into labor shortage earlier and opened its job-markets to eatern European EU members first. Since then wages in Poland have risen a lot, plus Germany back then had record unemployment....

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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 09, 2017 12:04 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
LAH1 wrote:
None of the above really answers the question why if there are so many decent jobs in Poland/Germany etc we have 3 million workers here.


UK ran into labor shortage earlier and opened its job-markets to eatern European EU members first. Since then wages in Poland have risen a lot, plus Germany back then had record unemployment....

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Yes and the UK did it on purpose while all other main European countries used the buffer time allowed in the EU directory. So for 5 to 7 years only the UK opened the doors. It was a strange choice that backfired but you got cheap labour....
 
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 09, 2017 1:17 pm

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Marcron is talking about a basic income system, which you guys in Finland are experimenting with, so that might actually be introduced in France. That is also a way forward. So basically we indeed have to make a choice, Neo-conservatism is one way, more social liberal course is another. I strongly believe in the second. The social liberalism isn't opposed to competition and market forces and isn't opposed to foreigners. It is opposed to a strong man, you favor.


I wish I could be as optimistic as you are. Personally I think the welfare system will be much, much worse in some decades than it is now, the neoliberals certainly don't want to preserve progressive taxation system required for any meaningful basic income system to work. Automation tax probably won't work either, if the EU adopts it businesses will just move their factories elsewhere.

So, where does all the money required for basic income and state funded healthcare come from when Western governments are unable to prevent businesses from moving their automated factories elsewhere if they raise taxes?
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 09, 2017 1:26 pm

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Dutchy wrote:
Marcron is talking about a basic income system, which you guys in Finland are experimenting with, so that might actually be introduced in France. That is also a way forward. So basically we indeed have to make a choice, Neo-conservatism is one way, more social liberal course is another. I strongly believe in the second. The social liberalism isn't opposed to competition and market forces and isn't opposed to foreigners. It is opposed to a strong man, you favor.


I wish I could be as optimistic as you are. Personally I think the welfare system will be much, much worse in some decades than it is now, the neoliberals certainly don't want to preserve progressive taxation system required for any meaningful basic income system to work. Automation tax probably won't work either, if the EU adopts it businesses will just move their factories elsewhere.

So, where does all the money required for basic income and state funded healthcare come from when Western governments are unable to prevent businesses from moving their automated factories elsewhere if they raise taxes?


You are right, within the current system, it is quite impossible, so the system much change. If you look at it from another point of view, it is quite possible. Think that a number of jobs need to be fulfilled in society. And you have a number of people. Here you go ;-). Economy and money in itself are quite fluid concepts.

The prices of "thinks" will continue to drop.
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 8:58 am

The inauguration is going to happen soon.

At the moment both presidents are having a private discussion, used to transmit the "nuclear codes" among other things.

Meanwhile hundreds of people are waiting, standing, some outside, some inside the Elysée palace.
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 9:29 am

That's it, Emmanuel Macron is the President of the French Republic.

He's making a speech now. I notice that the "unofficial official" emblem used for the last decade to represent the presidency is not used, only the French tricolor.

I'm talking about this, which I don't like :

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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 10:33 am

Ah ah my sister, who's a member of the Young Socialist Movement, just sent me a message, she managed to kiss president Hollande who's at the Socialist Party HQ.
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 10:51 am

Macron is driving up the Champs-Elysées, not aboard an open top sedan like usual, but aboard a military vehicle, normally used to review the troops on the 14th of July.
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 11:29 am

Once again Citroën/DS took a can opener to one of its new cars (not even on the market yet), this time the DS7 Crossback, so that the new president could stand up through the roof.
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 11:42 am

It was a nice ceremony.
 
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Sun May 14, 2017 3:08 pm

Aesma wrote:
Once again Citroën/DS took a can opener to one of its new cars (not even on the market yet), this time the DS7 Crossback, so that the new president could stand up through the roof.


Slightly OT but I just loved the old DS. Always wanted one. I remember seeing my first one in the Town Hall car park at home when I was about 5 and they had just about come out. The singularly French chic and revolutionary looks, my father had a hell of a time for ages after that as my brother and I both badgered him into getting rid of our Wolseley with running boards and buying what we considered a space ship. 50 years later and it still looks good to me.
Sorry, back to the topic.........
 
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 16, 2017 11:19 am

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Macron is driving up the Champs-Elysées, not aboard an open top sedan like usual, but aboard a military vehicle, normally used to review the troops on the 14th of July.


What a contrast to another nation that has an elected therefore political President, no standing in an open vehicle for any of them, more like a convoy of heavily armoured, blacked out windows, line of vehicles, decoys presumably included.
Both formed as nation states in the 18th century after revolutions.
Both have had assassination attempts on their Presidents, some in one nation's case successful more than once.

Both on alrt for terrorist attacks, France of course has recently suffered a wave of them, some lone radicals with limited weapons, others by a group with much more firepower.
Yet there goes the new French President in an open top vehicle. Despite the country being on high alert.

The differnce? One has millions of weapons in the hands of thousands of people who really should not have them, this why all of the assassinations of US Presidents, successful or not, on US soil at least, have been carried by nutjobs. Lincoln, McKinley, JFK (yes, him too), near misses against Ford (one of Charlie Manson's followers), very nearly Reagan. His attacker thought killing Reagan would attract Jodie Foster to him!

While gun crime is far from unknown in France, there simply is not that vast pool of hardware so easily accessible.
 
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 16, 2017 2:21 pm

Until recently they wouldn't even screen people before letting them on the Champs Elysées !

LAH1 : Prime Minister (now former) Bernard Cazeneuve had a classic DS driven to the Matignon palace for his exit yesterday :

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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 16, 2017 2:33 pm

Aesma wrote:
Until recently they wouldn't even screen people before letting them on the Champs Elysées !

LAH1 : Prime Minister (now former) Bernard Cazeneuve had a classic DS driven to the Matignon palace for his exit yesterday :

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Classy.

Good luck Macron!
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Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Tue May 16, 2017 4:24 pm

Nice motor!

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