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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:14 pm

We can be sure buildings vacated by the EU will be re-used or if built with EU funding will probably have to be bought, I expect at market rates.
The issue is not the physical building but the jobs and the effect on the economy. As these are uncharted waters, I would expect more persons to accept that both sides to every or most issues will require negotiations, too many seem to think one side can simple do as they please to punish the other.

As for the Brexit vote, the PM at the time decided to give the people a vote, so...............
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:19 pm

...and so the election campaign begins, its the Daily Mail so...............
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... talks.html
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:30 pm

B777LRF wrote:
Nil, nada, zip, nichts, intet, nothing.

That the UK has chosen to leave the EU is their decision, but they can't run from the responsibility or expect someone else to pick up the tab. The UK will have to pay their contributions to the EU until they leave in March 2019, whatever else financial obligations it decides to foist upon itself is entirely up to them to finance.


Odd approach as that means that the EU will continue to provide ALL services and funding to the UK, without any "discounts". UK Landlords for all of those EU organizations are going to expect full payments for 2 years, as are UK farmers, etc. And as long as the UK is paying monthly fees it is obvious that the UK should have a voice in EU matters consistent with Monthly UK payments made. Ooooops!

As the EU leaves these facilities the UK can move their personnel to do the same job.

I would be totally surprised if the EU does not continue to accept existing professional certifications and training programs. That would be a disaster as it would push the UK into taking the same position.

Some issues are not going to be that difficult to migrate. Medical exams for certifying new doctors, nurses, therapists, etc already exist in English, just as they exist in Italian, German, French, etc. Modest upgrades for advancements are not that difficult, and can be jointly. Actually it might be time to co-ordinate exams with other countries in the world, like Canada, the US, Japan, Australia, etc. We are global in many areas and medicine is one where we certainly need to be global. Might also help increase medical outcomes in the US!

Other issues can also be interesting. Does the EU employ a lot of Muslims in the EU? Are they going to need to move them (and their families) out to "real" EU countries within 2 years?
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:56 pm

DDR wrote:
I've tried to keep up with all the Brexit stuff, but why did the U.K vote to leave the union?


It was a referendum, not "write an essay on the reasons you want to leave/stay".

So now politicians have to figure it out.

With Brexit and the election of Trump, we could clearly see that part of the electorate is disillusioned with globalization. So May insisting that there will be many free trade deals with all sorts of countries (including ones with dirt cheap labor), lower taxes, while not offering anything to these people, will not necessarily bode well for her.
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:00 pm

par13del wrote:
We can be sure buildings vacated by the EU will be re-used or if built with EU funding will probably have to be bought, I expect at market rates.
The issue is not the physical building but the jobs and the effect on the economy. As these are uncharted waters, I would expect more persons to accept that both sides to every or most issues will require negotiations, too many seem to think one side can simple do as they please to punish the other.


Cameron didn't ask for the partners' permission to conduct a referendum (and don't say suggesting it is ludicrous, remember Greece ?), May didn't ask for permission to invoke article 50. Some of the consequences are not negotiable, it's quite simple.
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:28 am

Aesma wrote:
DDR wrote:
I've tried to keep up with all the Brexit stuff, but why did the U.K vote to leave the union?


It was a referendum, not "write an essay on the reasons you want to leave/stay".

So now politicians have to figure it out.



But what if May fails to win the election next month and we have a new party in power in the UK? What if voters then demand another referendum, now that some of the "costs" of the last vote become obvious?
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:23 am

The costs aren't yet obvious. It's only beginning to dawn.
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:01 am

Ken777 wrote:

But what if May fails to win the election next month and we have a new party in power in the UK? What if voters then demand another referendum, now that some of the "costs" of the last vote become obvious?


That's extremely unlikely. They've been having the buzz around Brexit referendum, the referendum itself and Chapter 50 invocation for 2 years now? I don't think Brexit can be just cancelled at this point. Just as referendum could not be stopped since Cameron pushed too far in his game with EUcrats.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:32 am

BestWestern wrote:
The costs aren't yet obvious. It's only beginning to dawn.


And losing a couple months on a 2 year ticking clock isn't exactly good either.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:32 am

May should win easily that vote because she goes against Corbyn.

And for the future, try to consider that UK is a 65 millions population, against a 450 millions populations in the EU 27. When the EU banking system is moved back one of the EU country of the continent, things could become fun.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:50 am

JJJ wrote:
BestWestern wrote:
The costs aren't yet obvious. It's only beginning to dawn.


And losing a couple months on a 2 year ticking clock isn't exactly good either.


Depending on the election results, it could be six months. However, with corbyn, unless the Lib Dems pull a miracle... it's a two month delay
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:27 am

If it is E.U. institution, then the E.U. has a right to do how it pleases (via majority decision). There is no requirement nor right for the U.K. to host these agencies nor any other E.U. agency (this is only benefit given to the host nation). Furthermore, as long as the UK is a member of the E.U., it has all the rights (e.g. passporting for UK based businesses) and bores all the responsibilities (e.g. paying into the common budget) of such membership.

Having said that, I still feel that the U.K. will come up in better position then rest of the U.K. EU will get screwed in one way or other. U.K. faces divided members (e.g. Poland vs. Brussels, two speed Europe, West vs. East members - quality of the food/groceries, immigration policy)...there is just too much of diversity. U.K. can take advantage of that and get better negotiation position. E.U. needs to show unity and one common voice (good luck with that).
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:01 pm

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Other issues can also be interesting. Does the EU employ a lot of Muslims in the EU? Are they going to need to move them (and their families) out to "real" EU countries within 2 years?


What are you trying to suggest here?
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:04 pm

andrej wrote:
Having said that, I still feel that the U.K. will come up in better position then rest of the U.K. EU will get screwed in one way or other. U.K. faces divided members (e.g. Poland vs. Brussels, two speed Europe, West vs. East members - quality of the food/groceries, immigration policy)...there is just too much of diversity. U.K. can take advantage of that and get better negotiation position. E.U. needs to show unity and one common voice (good luck with that).


On the contrary, most observers have been surprised by the unity on this topic between the EU27. Not a single State has come out to support the UK's suggestion of parallel exit negotiations and trade talks, despite an intensive tour of the capitals by the UK PM.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:38 pm

No need for them to support anything, bottom line is at the end of the day, each member state has to vote Yah to the agreement, good luck getting that to happen. The UK may end up having to pay each member something to get a yes vote, note I did not say bribe.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:44 pm

par13del wrote:
No need for them to support anything, bottom line is at the end of the day, each member state has to vote Yah to the agreement, good luck getting that to happen. The UK may end up having to pay each member something to get a yes vote, note I did not say bribe.


In what way do you imagine the UK paying each member something?
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:10 pm

LTenEleven wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
Other issues can also be interesting. Does the EU employ a lot of Muslims in the EU? Are they going to need to move them (and their families) out to "real" EU countries within 2 years?


What are you trying to suggest here?


Typing error there . It should have been " Does the EU employ a lot of Muslims in the UK? " The potential there would be the irony of the EU pulling out when it was some of the Leavers wanted them out.

The other interesting factor would be moving thousands of EU employees with strong British cultural values moving to EU ones inside the EU and working to influence that future.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:18 pm

I had a very interesting chat with a friend of mine who is quite high up in the eu medicine ranks.. The Ema is an overseeing body for the individual regulating bodies of each eu member state. In reality a lot of the actual regulatory stuff is done in two countries.... Sweden and.... Dad dah dah... The UK. So the Ema has to move as it is required to be in an eu member country. What Britain will do to fill the gap is going to be interesting and the eu will have to find another major regulatory Centre.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:47 am

DDR wrote:
I've tried to keep up with all the Brexit stuff, but why did the U.K vote to leave the union?


Nobody knows an answer to this question. Everyone has their own opinion.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:22 am

seahawk wrote:
Typical blackmail by the EU.

seahawk wrote:
Seems like the UK government expects them to stay in the UK.

seahawk wrote:
Or you just join the US system.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a troll account? Not just in this thread either, if you look at his/her posts throughout the forum, you'll see that allmost every one of his/her posts is written just to be contrary.
 
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:33 am

He has admitted to it some months ago.
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:13 am

That is not trolling, in those cases much of it is taken exactly from the British press. If you want to put it that way, it seems like the May government is trolling, imho it often actually does look that way.
 
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Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:11 pm

France wanted to give in and accepted that Strassbourgh isn't the place where the European Parlement is resided (13times a year), in exchange for getting the two European agencies in the UK are going to Strasbourg instead. But the "offer" isn't excepted, so Strasbourg circus is going to remain. :-(
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Re: Britain Set To Lose EU Banking And Medicine Agencies ‘Within Weeks’

Tue May 02, 2017 8:09 pm

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Odd approach as that means that the EU will continue to provide ALL services and funding to the UK, without any "discounts". UK Landlords for all of those EU organizations are going to expect full payments for 2 years, as are UK farmers, etc. And as long as the UK is paying monthly fees it is obvious that the UK should have a voice in EU matters consistent with Monthly UK payments made. Ooooops!

As the EU leaves these facilities the UK can move their personnel to do the same job.

I would be totally surprised if the EU does not continue to accept existing professional certifications and training programs. That would be a disaster as it would push the UK into taking the same position.

Some issues are not going to be that difficult to migrate. Medical exams for certifying new doctors, nurses, therapists, etc already exist in English, just as they exist in Italian, German, French, etc. Modest upgrades for advancements are not that difficult, and can be jointly. Actually it might be time to co-ordinate exams with other countries in the world, like Canada, the US, Japan, Australia, etc. We are global in many areas and medicine is one where we certainly need to be global. Might also help increase medical outcomes in the US!

Other issues can also be interesting. Does the EU employ a lot of Muslims in the EU? Are they going to need to move them (and their families) out to "real" EU countries within 2 years?


EU has a budget agreed about by EU28 going until 2020. This includes infrastructure projects, University projects, Space - you name it in UK and outside UK. You cannot finish a highway half way. You need to make the project under the agreed budget finish.

If I lease a car for 3 years and want to give it back after 1 I will have to pay a cost for this. This is the argue from EU to make UK pay its agreed payment of the defined budget.

Example is rent cost of the facilities in London that seems to have 20 year agreement with the landlord. Now they are because of Brexit forced to move. Why shall EU pay for this?

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