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MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:08 am

As I suspect most a.nutters know, in December of 1917 two ships collided in Halifax Harbor and one of them, the Mont Blanc, caught fire. It was a munitions ship, loaded with many, many tons of TNT and therefore exploded. I have read that this was the "largest man-made explosion ever, outside of the nuclear age" and that actually still held the title, well into the nuke age, of "largest ever non-nuclear explosion in human history."

A) Is that true (or at least was it true three or four days ago);
2) Is it still true, or did the MOAB detonation outdo it?

Of course there might be some definitions and quantifications needed; i.e. what does "largest" explosion mean... but I will leave all such discussion to the science-y people in this here community. :boggled:
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:45 am

MOAB is a childs fart as conventional bombs go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of ... _with_MOAB

MOAB is ~11t TNT while the Halifax explosion was 2,900t TNT equv.
see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_a ... _magnitude

at $16m each that was shooting 32 mice with a cannon.
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:06 pm

WIederling wrote:
at $16m each that was shooting 32 mice with a cannon.


Correction 1: It was only $16 million each.

Correction 2: Not mice. Enemy combatants.
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:37 pm

You are also denying the enemy the future use of that tunnel system/command complex. And as to the cost, how successful would 22 1000lb bombs have been? and what would the total cost have been for the whole mission versus this single mission... blah ... blah. blah....

Seriously.... War is among the most wasteful endeavors of humans. It is well known for that. Sure there are advancements that come about because of it but its goal is still the same: Destroy more of the enemy than they can of you. "Cost", especially in currency, is many places down the list of importance.

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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:46 am

[quote="Tugger"Destroy more of the enemy than they can of you. "Cost", especially in currency, is many places down the list of importance.
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and looking back the US has not decisively won any conflict processed in this way.
Not North Korea nor Vietnam, Irak, Afghanistan ....

WWII was won by Soviet feet on the ground ( at a high price for them.)
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:42 pm

WIederling wrote:
WWII was won by Soviet feet on the ground ( at a high price for them.)

Yay categorical statements.
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:30 pm

ROTFLMAO....... the hubris of the Americans and the MOAB. I'm so sick and tired of hearing in the last week about how the Americans have dropped the largest bomb (non-nuclear) ever used in combat, blah, blah, blah, blah..... I guess when you can't be first at something, you have to be loud and TELL everyone you were first or best or whatever!!!!

A little knowledge of history, the Lancasters of the Royal Air Force (617 Squadron) in WWII and a genius named Barnes Wallis will show you this.
Or maybe just a little Wiki for y'all......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)
 
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:01 pm

photopilot wrote:
ROTFLMAO....... the hubris of the Americans and the MOAB. I'm so sick and tired of hearing in the last week about how the Americans have dropped the largest bomb (non-nuclear) ever used in combat, blah, blah, blah, blah..... I guess when you can't be first at something, you have to be loud and TELL everyone you were first or best or whatever!!!!

A little knowledge of history, the Lancasters of the Royal Air Force (617 Squadron) in WWII and a genius named Barnes Wallis will show you this.
Or maybe just a little Wiki for y'all......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)


Wikipedia doesn't seem to be rewriting history as you'd like.
 
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:18 am

 
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Re: MOAB vs. the Halifax Explosion

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:22 am

mham001 wrote:
photopilot wrote:
ROTFLMAO....... the hubris of the Americans and the MOAB. I'm so sick and tired of hearing in the last week about how the Americans have dropped the largest bomb (non-nuclear) ever used in combat, blah, blah, blah, blah..... I guess when you can't be first at something, you have to be loud and TELL everyone you were first or best or whatever!!!!

A little knowledge of history, the Lancasters of the Royal Air Force (617 Squadron) in WWII and a genius named Barnes Wallis will show you this.
Or maybe just a little Wiki for y'all......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)

Wikipedia doesn't seem to be rewriting history as you'd like.

Blast yield 6.5 tons TNT equivalent 4.5t progress in how many years :-)

Russians have long topped MOAB:
Aviation Thermobaric Bomb of Increased Power (ATBIP)
Russian: Авиационная вакуумная бомба повышенной мощности (АВБПМ)
yield 44t TNT and much more blast per weight efficient. 44t TNT from a 7.1t device:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs
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