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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:09 am

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You guys are a hoot: you're prepared to completely ignore what would seem to be reasonably compelling evidence that Assad used chemical weapons,


As you note this is about "reason".

To accept this evidence as "compelling" needs lack of reason. ( actually and imho some large amount of gullibility.)
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:42 am

WIederling wrote:
As you note this is about "reason".

To accept this evidence as "compelling" needs lack of reason. ( actually and imho some large amount of gullibility.)

Yet you are prepared to accept Assad's version, for which there is zero evidence?
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:18 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
WIederling wrote:
As you note this is about "reason".

To accept this evidence as "compelling" needs lack of reason. ( actually and imho some large amount of gullibility.)

Yet you are prepared to accept Assad's version, for which there is zero evidence?


I really don't need Assad or Putin or Braybuddy to guide me.

The "stash hit by attack" conclusion was much more plausible than any of the other "explanations".
If you go into the "cui bono" aspects a direct SAA attack with war gases doesn't make sense either.

Faking such a thing to torpedo the Rebuild Syria Conference
http://newsok.com/article/feed/1179711
fits much better.
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:29 pm

WIederling wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
WIederling wrote:
As you note this is about "reason".

To accept this evidence as "compelling" needs lack of reason. ( actually and imho some large amount of gullibility.)

Yet you are prepared to accept Assad's version, for which there is zero evidence?


I really don't need Assad or Putin or Braybuddy to guide me.

The "stash hit by attack" conclusion was much more plausible than any of the other "explanations".
If you go into the "cui bono" aspects a direct SAA attack with war gases doesn't make sense either.

Faking such a thing to torpedo the Rebuild Syria Conference
http://newsok.com/article/feed/1179711
fits much better.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the conference seems to be going ahead? And why would the US, or anyone, want to torpedo it? The statement last month from Sean Spicer that the US had to accept the "political reality" of Assad's (plus Donald Trump's non-intervention statements) would have led anyone to believe that the US were not going to get involved. And as for who gains, well if Assad believed it was to his benefit in 2013, why wouldn't he believe otherwise in 2017?
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:47 pm

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Maybe I'm missing something, but the conference seems to be going ahead?


You mix intention and success.
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:07 pm

WIederling wrote:
Braybuddy wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but the conference seems to be going ahead?


You mix intention and success.

So who, in your opinion, wanted to scupper the conference?
 
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Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:53 pm

Guys, give us one piece of data that suggests the gas attack was not perpetrated by the SAA.
 
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:44 am

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Guys, give us one piece of data that suggests the gas attack was not perpetrated by the SAA.

Don't hold your breath . . .

First the Russians claim that the attack was on a rebel-held military depot. How could they know without examining the site? Now Assad claims that the attacks were "100 per cent fabricated", using fake video evidence, contradicting the Russian claim. Amnesty International has authenticated video evidence shot in the aftermath.

Then Russia vetoes a UN resolution into an investigation into the attack.

Yet people are still prepared to completely ignore or refute the simplest and most obvious explanation.
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:06 am

Braybuddy wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
Guys, give us one piece of data that suggests the gas attack was not perpetrated by the SAA.

Don't hold your breath . . .

First the Russians claim that the attack was on a rebel-held military depot. How could they know without examining the site? Now Assad claims that the attacks were "100 per cent fabricated", using fake video evidence, contradicting the Russian claim. Amnesty International has authenticated video evidence shot in the aftermath.

Then Russia vetoes a UN resolution into an investigation into the attack.

Yet people are still prepared to completely ignore or refute the simplest and most obvious explanation.


I think Russia vetoed the resolution that condemned Syria for using CW when they don't believe Syria used them. I believe they are open and want an independent investigation.

From what i've read, doctors without borders say some people had signs of contact with CW and some smelled like chlorine.
 
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Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:21 pm

Videos can be faked but the preponderance of evidence from radio intercepts to the bombing of the hospital and all the points made by Braybuddy point to SAA.

In cases like this it's good to be skeptical but after a while objective reality should guide us.
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:12 pm

Planeflyer wrote:
In cases like this it's good to be skeptical but after a while objective reality should guide us.

Sadly lacking on here. A good BS filter can help too.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:53 am

Braybuddy wrote:
Planeflyer wrote:
In cases like this it's good to be skeptical but after a while objective reality should guide us.

Sadly lacking on here. A good BS filter can help too.


for a happy existence in your filter bubble. :-)
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:29 am

Planeflyer wrote:
Videos can be faked but the preponderance of evidence from radio intercepts to the bombing of the hospital and all the points made by Braybuddy point to SAA.

In cases like this it's good to be skeptical but after a while objective reality should guide us.



help me understand. What radio intercepts are you referring to? Breybuddy linked a interview from a "chemical weapons expert" but when i google his name i find nothing about him. How does one become " a chemical weapons expert"?

so far no prof that saa carried out the attack.

And on a side note, the bombing of refugees the other day by "moderate rebels" kills twice as many and hardly gets a comment.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:04 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmkK0jXSJQs

vid from the usa backed 'moderate rebels' bus bombing

obviously very NSFW and contains disturbing footage
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:08 am

mad99 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmkK0jXSJQs

vid from the usa backed 'moderate rebels' bus bombing

obviously very NSFW and contains disturbing footage


It's okay, as long as those dead aren't Sunni Muslims killed by Assad nobody in the west gives a damn.
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:24 pm

pvjin wrote:
mad99 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmkK0jXSJQs

vid from the usa backed 'moderate rebels' bus bombing

obviously very NSFW and contains disturbing footage


It's okay, as long as those dead aren't Sunni Muslims killed by Assad nobody in the west gives a damn.


Yet someone cared enough to bomb around an evacuated air field...
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:35 pm

WIederling wrote:
for a happy existence in your filter bubble. :-)

It certainly worked; maybe you might have saved yourself some bother if you'd used one yourself . . .
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:47 pm

mad99 wrote:
Breybuddy linked a interview from a "chemical weapons expert" but when i google his name i find nothing about him. How does one become " a chemical weapons expert"

There you go:
http://www.militaryspeakers.co.uk/speak ... ordon-obe/
 
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Re: Trump considering options for Syria retaliation!

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:08 pm

Braybuddy wrote:
mad99 wrote:
Breybuddy linked a interview from a "chemical weapons expert" but when i google his name i find nothing about him. How does one become " a chemical weapons expert"

There you go:
http://www.militaryspeakers.co.uk/speak ... ordon-obe/


I read that

I know he wants money to talk but who is he? Meaning what's he's cv? How does someone become an expert?

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