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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:18 am

BawliBooch wrote:
The Right wing is traditionally more vocal and more willing to use violence to suppress ideas that run counter to their world-view.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Have you even been awake for the last year?
 
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:59 am

NoTime wrote:
BawliBooch wrote:
The Right wing is traditionally more vocal and more willing to use violence to suppress ideas that run counter to their world-view.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Have you even been awake for the last year?


Most of these were committed by the right wingers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ts_in_2016

You know Islamist Fundamentalists are just somebody else's right wingers.

They are conservative to a T, they are big supporters of their military power, they are nationalistic to their own form of "nation", they want to return back to the way things once were and of course they love that old time religion.

What more could a con want?
 
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:32 am

salttee wrote:
NoTime wrote:
BawliBooch wrote:
The Right wing is traditionally more vocal and more willing to use violence to suppress ideas that run counter to their world-view.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Have you even been awake for the last year?


Most of these were committed by the right wingers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ts_in_2016

You know Islamist Fundamentalists are just somebody else's right wingers.

They are conservative to a T, they are big supporters of their military power, they are nationalistic to their own form of "nation", they want to return back to the way things once were and of course they love that old time religion.

What more could a con want?


+1. Not just ISLAMIC fundamentalists, but Religious fundamentalists of all kinds. There are Christian, Jewish, Hindu & Buddhist fundoos too - and it manifests itself in the same way everywhere. Its like they are all guided by the same devil. Here in India we see a similar pattern with the rise of Hindu fundamentalism. Violence against minority Muslims & Christians, an equation of religion with nationalism and so on. And no society that has walked down this path has ever succeeded.

Islam has been the worst affected because not enough liberal voices spoke up early enough allowing the fundoo's there to get the upper hand. We made the same mistake here in India. Hope the west learns from our mistakes and takes on the religious right before they radicalise the population.
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:20 am

Populism will rise if there seems to be an inherent social injustice. And so it is in The Netherlands, this should be taken away, but with the most likely coalition: VVD, CDA, CU and D66, this will not be likely. But we'll see.
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:13 pm

salttee wrote:
NoTime wrote:
BawliBooch wrote:
The Right wing is traditionally more vocal and more willing to use violence to suppress ideas that run counter to their world-view.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Have you even been awake for the last year?


Most of these were committed by the right wingers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ts_in_2016

You know Islamist Fundamentalists are just somebody else's right wingers.


Yes, and you know that Communists are left wingers. So, that settles the "more willing to use violence" part... and the nonstop wailing, marching, and protesting over the last few months settles the "more vocal" part. (I mean, seriously, how can you even attempt to say that conservatives are "traditionally more vocal"...? That's exactly the type of assanine and history-neglecting statement that has reduced the non-av forum to a comedy show.)
 
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:08 pm

NoTime wrote:
Yes, and you know that Communists are left wingers. So, that settles the "more willing to use violence" part... and the nonstop wailing, marching, and protesting over the last few months settles the "more vocal" part. (I mean, seriously, how can you even attempt to say that conservatives are "traditionally more vocal"...? That's exactly the type of assanine and history-neglecting statement that has reduced the non-av forum to a comedy show.)


So, we got that sattled, right wingers are more violent and left wingers are more vocal. Makes total sense since on average right wingers show more activity in the part of the brain that processes disgust and in left wingers brains the part that processes conflict solution is more active.

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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:18 am

tommy1808 wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Yes, and you know that Communists are left wingers. So, that settles the "more willing to use violence" part... and the nonstop wailing, marching, and protesting over the last few months settles the "more vocal" part. (I mean, seriously, how can you even attempt to say that conservatives are "traditionally more vocal"...? That's exactly the type of assanine and history-neglecting statement that has reduced the non-av forum to a comedy show.)


So, we got that sattled, right wingers are more violent and left wingers are more vocal. Makes total sense since on average right wingers show more activity in the part of the brain that processes disgust and in left wingers brains the part that processes conflict solution is more active.

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I suspect you will treat us to supporting evidence for brain activity and how the studies were conducted?

Please post links to the studies.

Thank you.
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:57 am

BobPatterson wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
NoTime wrote:
Yes, and you know that Communists are left wingers. So, that settles the "more willing to use violence" part... and the nonstop wailing, marching, and protesting over the last few months settles the "more vocal" part. (I mean, seriously, how can you even attempt to say that conservatives are "traditionally more vocal"...? That's exactly the type of assanine and history-neglecting statement that has reduced the non-av forum to a comedy show.)


So, we got that sattled, right wingers are more violent and left wingers are more vocal. Makes total sense since on average right wingers show more activity in the part of the brain that processes disgust and in left wingers brains the part that processes conflict solution is more active.

Best regards
Thomas


I suspect you will treat us to supporting evidence for brain activity and how the studies were conducted?

Please post links to the studies.

Thank you.


Of course..
Inbar Y., Pizarro D.A., Bloom P. : "Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals." Cognitive Emotion. 2009;23; pages 714–725

Hodson G., Costello K. "Interpersonal disgust, ideological orientations, and dehumanization as predictors of intergroup attitudes." Psychology Science, 2007;18; pages 691–698

Amodio D.M., Jost J.T., Master S.L., Yee C.M. Neurocognitive correlates of liberalism and conservatism. Natural Neuroscience 2007;10; pages1246–1247

You should be able to find those in any good university or college library or many well stocked normal ones.
As you can see, the field is not new and fairly mature, hence I considered it fairly common knowledge.

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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:08 pm

If you have ever been to a "conservative" place and contrasted that with a "liberal" place, one can see the difference, too. "Conservative" places tend to have more guns and use more physical violence just out of the blue. They will shout and scream and demand their opinions are not being heard and more important. "Liberal" places do none of that.

There are exceptions, but I am talking day-to-day life. Which party head was calling for assassination of their opponent during the campaign? Hillary or the orange menace? Which party legislates that "their" religion must be given political clout?

I have noticed that "liberal" areas are just starting to flip off and flip out at righties. And righties are crying about it. Guess what, snowflake? You all have been doing that for years and years. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Some of us have had to put up with it for 30 years!
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:14 pm

seb146 wrote:
"Conservative" places tend to have more guns and use more physical violence just out of the blue. They will shout and scream and demand their opinions are not being heard and more important. "Liberal" places do none of that.


This is so completely backwards that it hurts to read it. "Shout and scream and demand their opinions..." Are you kidding me? Essentially every major protest and rally of the last seventeen years has been by liberals (and, typically, in liberal locales).

Your detachment from reality is shifting from funny to frightening...
 
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:57 pm

what about liberal conservatives?
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:47 am

NoTime wrote:
seb146 wrote:
"Conservative" places tend to have more guns and use more physical violence just out of the blue. They will shout and scream and demand their opinions are not being heard and more important. "Liberal" places do none of that.


This is so completely backwards that it hurts to read it. "Shout and scream and demand their opinions..." Are you kidding me? Essentially every major protest and rally of the last seventeen years has been by liberals (and, typically, in liberal locales).

Your detachment from reality is shifting from funny to frightening...


I am not talking about protests and rallies. Walk down any small town Main Street wearing a Hillary or Obama shirt and just listen to the hatred. The right claims to love free speech, but, when it comes right down to it, they want nothing but their own bubble.

Besides, protests are reaction to things. After contacting members of Congress and writing letters and so forth and stupid laws are still passed or stupid people are elected to high office, that sort of thing.
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Re: Is the right to Free Speech in trouble?

Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:16 am

tommy1808 wrote:
BobPatterson wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

So, we got that sattled, right wingers are more violent and left wingers are more vocal. Makes total sense since on average right wingers show more activity in the part of the brain that processes disgust and in left wingers brains the part that processes conflict solution is more active.

Best regards
Thomas


I suspect you will treat us to supporting evidence for brain activity and how the studies were conducted?

Please post links to the studies.

Thank you.


Of course..
Inbar Y., Pizarro D.A., Bloom P. : "Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals." Cognitive Emotion. 2009;23; pages 714–725

Hodson G., Costello K. "Interpersonal disgust, ideological orientations, and dehumanization as predictors of intergroup attitudes." Psychology Science, 2007;18; pages 691–698

Amodio D.M., Jost J.T., Master S.L., Yee C.M. Neurocognitive correlates of liberalism and conservatism. Natural Neuroscience 2007;10; pages1246–1247

You should be able to find those in any good university or college library or many well stocked normal ones.
As you can see, the field is not new and fairly mature, hence I considered it fairly common knowledge.

Best regards
Thomas


Thank you for posting citations from the literature. The field and its literature may be well known to specialists but relatively few people will be aware of it.

I found the abstract of the paper by Amodio et al in Nature Neuroscience to be interesting. http://www.nature.com/neuro/press_release/nn1007.html

Based only upon that I seem to fall between the two extremes :-)

Again, based only upon the abstract of the paper by Hodson and Costello, http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10. ... links=yes& I had to chuckle and recall the "Golden Fleece Awards" of Senator William Proxmire who seemed to turn livid over funding of science that he did not understand. I mean, judging people based on their dislike for sitting in warm seats just vacated by others?

"Disgust is a basic emotion characterized by revulsion and rejection, yet it is relatively unexamined in the literature on prejudice. In the present investigation, interpersonal-disgust sensitivity (e.g., not wanting to wear clean used clothes or to sit on a warm seat vacated by a stranger) in particular predicted negative attitudes toward immigrants, foreigners, and socially deviant groups, even after controlling for concerns with contracting disease."

As for the paper by Inbar et al on disgust, the full text at http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/DPlab/pap ... berals.pdf , may turn readers off, but there you go. Studying disgust can be disgusting.

Thanks again for the citations. Interesting to see how some people think.
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