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Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:41 pm

To keep a record of White christian terror.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:43 pm

Five tombstones damaged at historic Jewish cemetery in New York

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/us/br ... index.html
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:33 pm

And Muslims are helping those in need when there is an act of terror committed by a "Christian." I find that very interesting. Muslims are acting more like Christians than the self-proclaimed "Christians."
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:41 pm

This should be a highly productive thread......
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:00 pm

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This should be a highly productive thread......


Only productive for the people who have endured severe emotional dementia since the election. This is their way to affirm their hatred and uncontrollable vitriol so they don't have to admit they have a problem and take steps to address it.

It's quite sad actually.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:55 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Wacker1000 wrote:
This should be a highly productive thread......


Only productive for the people who have endured severe emotional dementia since the election. This is their way to affirm their hatred and uncontrollable vitriol so they don't have to admit they have a problem and take steps to address it.

It's quite sad actually.


Really?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/24/de ... s-say.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-ameri ... ce-n536816

http://www.theroot.com/watch-ny-man-rec ... 1790875916

http://wreg.com/2016/11/07/brother-of-m ... eo-speaks/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2934526


All these are verified. They aren't "fake". They really happened. And you can bet there are thousands more incidents like this happening.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:35 pm

anshabhi wrote:
To keep a record of White christian terror.


Of the 8 links/incidents posted so far, not a single one has been an example of White Christian terror. Furthermore, while these acts are reprehensible, some are not only not hate crimes, but not crimes at all, hence no charges were filed. Ironically, the only evidence that someone is a Christian in these incidents is one of the victims, the black man who said he has forgiven the man shouting racial obscenities at him. Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily by Jesus.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:01 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Wacker1000 wrote:
This should be a highly productive thread......


Only productive for the people who have endured severe emotional dementia since the election.


Like Sikhs, Jews, Muslims, gays, trans, women....
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:02 pm

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Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily.


You could tell that to the victims of those children's ophanages who abused and terrorised poor defenseless kids. They were often starved, mentally abused (told they were worthless, they were scum, the daughter(s) of a *****, etc. They were also often beaten badly by sadistic matrons who were in charge of these horrible places, these are the people who were supposed to care for these children, look after them. What did these little kids do to deserve such awful treatment. I'm sure someone here will certainly say they were being overly melodramatic though.

And in the cases of priests, so often these things were covered up and many of the victims have either committed suicide (because they shame they felt was so great), or it has pretty much ruined their lives, left them mentally wrecked. Meet these people, you can see it in their eyes, you can hear it in their voices.

I could get pages and pages of evidence that is all corroborated and true, but I don't really want to because it's awful stuff to read. Where is this principle of forgiveness for these people?

Alright, here are a few examples:

"All I've got to do is find a boat and I can row back to England." She had started to climb into a small boat when Woodsy spied her. Retribution was swift. "I had been given a bucket and spade for Christmas, and had it with me. Mr Woods picked me up by one leg, held me upside down with one hand, swung me round and round like an aeroplane, belting me with the spade which was in his other hand. He then threw me down in the sand."


And another example concerned a young girl who'd been sent to one of these overseas orphanages and was abused at this place multiple times, and when the foster mother intervened and got Queen Elizabeth to try to get the child back, the orphanage set about a cruel cover up to make it look like the young girl was totally happy. Photos were arrange of a smiling, happy young girl to be sent back to England, under pressure of worse things to happen. The worst thing is, these are not rare stories, there are huge amounts of them.

I know this is a long reply, but what you wrote hit a nerve. If you want to visit my country, I'd be happy to organise for you to have a talk to some of these victims. I see them quite often. To everyone else, don't walk past them, don't ignore them, talk to them. Let them know that you care about them.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:03 pm

afcjets wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
To keep a record of White christian terror.


Of the 8 links/incidents posted so far, not a single one has been an example of White Christian terror. Furthermore, while these acts are reprehensible, some are not only not hate crimes, but not crimes at all, hence no charges were filed. Ironically, the only evidence that someone is a Christian in these incidents is one of the victims, the black man who said he has forgiven the man shouting racial obscenities at him. Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily by Jesus.


Then try forgiveness.

Also, white, Christian, men screaming about "Trump's America" and similar things IS terrorism.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:38 pm

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Then try forgiveness.

Also, white, Christian, men screaming about "Trump's America" and similar things IS terrorism.


Wrong. By definition, terrorism requires violence or threat of violence. Unless someone is screaming they are going to physically assault or kill, there is no terrorism, unless you want to redefine terrorism for political correctness and/or sensationalism. Even if the acts meet the definition of terrorism, meaning they are violent acts or threaten violent acts, and they are perpetrated by white (or black) Christian men (or women), they would not be considered Christian terrorist acts, unless they are carried out in the name of Jesus.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:46 pm

afcjets wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Then try forgiveness.

Also, white, Christian, men screaming about "Trump's America" and similar things IS terrorism.


Wrong. By definition, terrorism requires violence or threat of violence.


So, getting shot does not count?

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Re: Hate crime thread

Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:57 pm

seb146 wrote:


Of course it counts. I was responding to what you actually posted...

seb146 wrote:

white Christian men screaming about "Trump's America" and similar things IS terrorism.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:51 am

cpd wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily.


You could tell that to the victims of those children's ophanages who abused and terrorised poor defenseless kids...Where is this principle of forgiveness for these people?...I know this is a long reply, but what you wrote hit a nerve.


So these are self professed Christian orphanages I take it? If so, this scripture comes to mind:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23

Will Jesus forgive them? I have no clue. As a Christian, it's not for me to decide.

I can see I hit a nerve, there are X billion self professing Christians on this planet, just as there are X billion Muslim people on this planet. If someone were to post a nice teaching from Islam (admittedly I know very little about the teachings of Islam except for the extreme ones like Sharia law), would that touch a nerve in you as well?
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:05 am

afcjets wrote:
Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily by Jesus.


So is compassion. So is love. So is brotherhood. Yet we have a large section of people in this nation who call themselves Christian who are anything but. Many who belong to the Born Again/Evangelical movement lead the charge to discriminate against LGBTQ's; they are proponents of voter intimidation and discrimination; they scream about the intolerance of Islam, but are the loudest voices in callling for a ban of the religion; they are some of the loudest voices condeming illegal aliens, most of whom are simply fleeing a drug war in Meixco and Central America that has killed thousands.

The talk the talk about being Christian, but far too many of them only pay lip service to what Christ taught, which is love and forgiveness. You have men like Franklin Graham and Pat Robertson, who spout words about Jesus, but certainly don't follow His teachings. They are no more Christians then people in Al Qaeda or ISIS are Muslim.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:31 am

afcjets wrote:
cpd wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily.


You could tell that to the victims of those children's ophanages who abused and terrorised poor defenseless kids...Where is this principle of forgiveness for these people?...I know this is a long reply, but what you wrote hit a nerve.


So these are self professed Christian orphanages I take it?


Afraid so. I excluded some details from the second story because I considered them too awful/inappropriate for this forum. There are so many of those cases. You can't help but go away feeling sickened and very upset. These people in charge surround themselves with religion and its teachings, but they've not embraced the teachings themselves.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:49 am

Hillis wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily by Jesus.


So is compassion. So is love. So is brotherhood. Yet we have a large section of people in this nation who call themselves Christian who are anything but. Many who belong to the Born Again/Evangelical movement lead the charge to discriminate against LGBTQ's; they are proponents of voter intimidation and discrimination; they scream about the intolerance of Islam, but are the loudest voices in callling for a ban of the religion; they are some of the loudest voices condeming illegal aliens, most of whom are simply fleeing a drug war in Meixco and Central America that has killed thousands.


You can love LGBTQ people yet still believe marriage is between one man and one woman. I agree with you the most Christian principle would be to have completely open borders for those fleeing violence and poverty unless we could help them in their homeland which would be difficult. However if every one of them were given full citizenship with voting rights, Dems would likely never lose an election again and America would become a fully socialist nation IMO.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:43 am

afcjets wrote:
Hillis wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily by Jesus.


So is compassion. So is love. So is brotherhood. Yet we have a large section of people in this nation who call themselves Christian who are anything but. Many who belong to the Born Again/Evangelical movement lead the charge to discriminate against LGBTQ's; they are proponents of voter intimidation and discrimination; they scream about the intolerance of Islam, but are the loudest voices in callling for a ban of the religion; they are some of the loudest voices condeming illegal aliens, most of whom are simply fleeing a drug war in Meixco and Central America that has killed thousands.


You can love LGBTQ people yet still believe marriage is between one man and one woman. I agree with you the most Christian principle would be to have completely open borders for those fleeing violence and poverty unless we could help them in their homeland which would be difficult. However if every one of them were given full citizenship with voting rights, Dems would likely never lose an election again and America would become a fully socialist nation IMO.


Funny you bring up socialism. Trump has been promising to bring back jobs; why doesn't he (or whomever is running his businesses now) hire some of his followers to work at his properties, instead of applying for visas for guest workers to work at the Trump vineyards, for example. Hell, maybe he could start up some state owned companies/industries and hire HIS followers there...
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:07 am

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Five tombstones damaged at historic Jewish cemetery in New York

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/us/br ... index.html


Funny you should bring up the Jews. Like Europe, most antisemitism in America today is by Muslims. Like it or not. I don't think that's what you had in mind for this thread though, is it?
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:35 am

How many of those attacks were in the U.S? From what I can see, the number is zero. I'm not trying to minimize those attacks, but we're talking about hate crimes being commiteed in the United States, and, whether you like it or not, the overwhelming majority of those are done by white Christians, against Muslims, or Mexicans, or Sikhs, or LGBTQ's. Find the stories on those,

But, mham001 you think like the president. You mention these tragedies in other nations, then try to blame people in this country for their actions. There are very few instances of Muslim Americans committing hate crimes. There are loads and loads of instances of whites committing hate crimes against Muslims, or people they think are Muslims, or against Hispanics, Latino's, LGBTQ's and African Americans.

It's no coincidence that the rise of such hate crimes is happening at a time where the number of hate groups, especially White Supremacist groups, have been exploding all over the nation. If you want to put a dent into the epidemic of hate crimes, you need to be looking at armed white Americans, mostly males, who are joining these groups, or who feel the election of the current president gives their hateful views and actions legitimacy.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:36 am

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I'm not trying to minimize those attacks, but we're talking about hate crimes being commiteed in the United States,


Who said that? The OP seems to be in India.
 
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Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:41 am

mham001 wrote:
Hillis wrote:
I'm not trying to minimize those attacks, but we're talking about hate crimes being commiteed in the United States,


Who said that? The OP seems to be in India.


He said White Christian terror. I don't think that's a problem in India. :roll: It is a problem in the United States. It's mainly a problem only in the United States.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:03 am

Mham, may I show you what the OP put in the first post?

anshabhi wrote:
To keep a record of White christian terror.


Get it?

WHITE

CHRISTIAN.


If you want to start a thread on Muslims, go ahead. But the thrust of this thread is going right past you.
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:20 am

I think if we just accuse each other of terrorism, we will all find harmony, and become sisters and brothers! Now surrender, you evil terrorists!
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:25 am

mahm001 what do you want to prove by copying entire wiki article? You don't want me to get started on how IS treats Shia Muslims and other minorities right?
Anyways, my intention is not to show anyone in badlight. US is US. Why do Indians want to move to US and not vice-versa? In India and most of the world US is considered as the epitome of freedom and civil rights.

These things should atleast not happen there. You can always start a Saffron terror thread or whatever you want. I don't have a heck reason to mind. Instead, I would love to start one. But there are simply not enough Indians here to invite a healthy discussion.

I am against hate of all kinds.

Or do you want to start a communal Christian vs Hinduism vs Muslim discussion? That would be the worst possible waste of time...
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Re: Hate crime thread

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:04 pm

To get back on Topic:
https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/ter ... xistential

has an interessting graph:

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It seems that a collection threat makes a lot of sense, as right wing terror strikes are much more frequent, but less "successful".

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Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:42 pm

Start separate threads for different countries.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:04 am

Sikhs are facing increasing attacks by illiterate people who think they are Middle Eastern:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/06/asia/ ... index.html
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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:35 am

What evidence do you have that these were committed by "Christians"? You don't. You don't even know if the shooter was "white", do you?

The entire premise of this thread is racist and for a guy living in one of the most intolerant societies on earth, I would think you would want to focus your race and religion-bating where it might do some good, yet we have 3 or 4 threads open by you on (apparent) singular hate crimes in the US.

FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.

But since your glaring hypocrisy cannot be challenged in this thread, have you considered drawing your ire towards other "evil white" societies whose record is far worse (but nearly as bad as your own country)? Have you?

For example, since the German poster seems to believe he has no sins....
Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39096833
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:00 am

mham001 wrote:
What evidence do you have that these were committed by "Christians"? You don't. You don't even know if the shooter was "white", do you?

The entire premise of this thread is racist and for a guy living in one of the most intolerant societies on earth, I would think you would want to focus your race and religion-bating where it might do some good, yet we have 3 or 4 threads open by you on (apparent) singular hate crimes in the US.

FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.

But since your glaring hypocrisy cannot be challenged in this thread, have you considered drawing your ire towards other "evil white" societies whose record is far worse (but nearly as bad as your own country)? Have you?

For example, since the German poster seems to believe he has no sins....
Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39096833


Most intolerant society!! Lol!! We have 200 million muslims in India (2nd largest in world) and another 100 million other religious minorities. Sikhism, Buddhism and Hinduism originated in India.
The Wiki article that you copied had on an average less than 1 crime against Christians in India per month.
Just tells how tolerant US is. A muslim can't even shout "Allahu Akbar", or he would be shot. That's called tolerance. Don't advice us on tolerance.


US is changing. See this racist, white supremacist PDF created by some mad ass.
http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ ... 30n1K.html


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In times of India today.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:22 am

anshabhi wrote:

US is changing. See this racist, white supremacist PDF created by some mad ass.
http://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ ... 30n1K.html


Image

In times of India today.


Yes, one of the most intolerant societies on earth - India. And there is some truth to the abuses of Indian labor companies through the H1-B visa program in your first link, I can point out to many in my area in Silicon Valley. Saying it does not make anybody a racist.

BTW, and this is a big one, all your compatriots are automatically eligible, as soon as they arrive, for affirmative action benefits originally meant for descendants of black slaves. This means they go to the head of the line, in front of US born whites, for many university and employment opportunities, for nothing more than having brown skin. Indians are gaining quite a reputation for being true whiners and not understanding how good they have it here. That low level diplomatic maid spat last year for example left a bad taste in a lot of Americans (I do happen to like the Sikhs though, they are different)

What could I expect in India? Maybe this, from the comment section of your link....

Sandeep • 4 hours ago
C'mon guys and gals, lets not get hysterical again, shall we? Go to Chennai or Northeast or even Delhi, you will find the same sentiments - except there its Indian vs Indian. Living in glass houses, how can we point fingers at others? And mind you, we dont need a visa to visit Chennai or Delhi or Guwahati.

Malwa Sandeep • 4 hours ago
Exactly. We don't notice it until we ourselves become a minority.

Airforce Brat Malwa • 3 hours ago
Totally agreed. It is good to be a minority for everyone early on in life even for a little time because you learn how to treat people in the minority better.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:33 am

Hillis wrote:
mham001 wrote:
Hillis wrote:
I'm not trying to minimize those attacks, but we're talking about hate crimes being commiteed in the United States,


Who said that? The OP seems to be in India.


He said White Christian terror. I don't think that's a problem in India. :roll: It is a problem in the United States. It's mainly a problem only in the United States.


True that! In the US you have "White Christian Terror". In India we have "Brown Upper Caste Hindu Terror".

All different flavors of the same frikkin popsicle of hatred if you ask me.

The one difference is that the afore-mentioned Hindu terror have wrapped their bigotry in pseudo-patriotism. Fortunately America hasnt seen that. Not yet anyway.

But if this fascist terror grows the same way it has in India, expect the Trumpists to wrap themselves in the American flag and dub every criticism of Trump and the Republican Party as "anti-national". That is the next stage in the evolution of fascist terror.

Hope American's can find a way to nip this in the bud before it gets there.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:37 am

[quote="mham001"]

FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.

Sure, but there always exemption, someone like yourself, all your posting are one attack after another on Islam and Muslims. Not an example of tolerance.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:44 am

SOBHI51 wrote:
mham001 wrote:

FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.

Sure, but there always exemption, someone like yourself, all your posting are one attack after another on Islam and Muslims. Not an example of tolerance.


It wouldn't happen without cause. Intolerant of intolerant people.

For example, the primary perpetrators of open antisemitism in America today are Muslims on US universities.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:36 am

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Yes, one of the most intolerant societies on earth - India.


+1 to that.

But white people need to undersand that this intolerance is a privilege that comes from birth. One of the many Savarna (upper caste) privileges is the privilege to be a hypocrite. I will look the other way as Muslims or Dalit's get lynched on streets. I will insist on separate seating arrangements for lower-castes at my local temple - if at all they are allowed to enter that is. And thats the benefits of economic reforms should remain with the upper castes. Cant let these lower caste Dalit's rise up the social ladder? What if they want to sit with us tomorrow? Or marry our daughters?

The Desi's in the US take this hypocrisy to a whole new level! They cheer wildly at the rise of fascism in India - thats the only way to deal with these "bad hombre's" (meaning Muslims) you see! And keep these lower caste Dalit's in their right place!

Now with the rise of Trump in the US, they see the tables turned on them! Now they are the hunted! And they dont like that!
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:39 am

afcjets wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
To keep a record of White christian terror.


Of the 8 links/incidents posted so far, not a single one has been an example of White Christian terror. Furthermore, while these acts are reprehensible, some are not only not hate crimes, but not crimes at all, hence no charges were filed. Ironically, the only evidence that someone is a Christian in these incidents is one of the victims, the black man who said he has forgiven the man shouting racial obscenities at him. Forgiveness is a Christian principle taught heavily by Jesus.


Hey @anshabhi! Does this post by @afcjets remind you of some other posts made by some Indian origin NRI bhakts? As I learnt in my Yoga classes today "Sab Moh Maya Hain!" :)
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:53 am

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What evidence do you have that these were committed by "Christians"?


in at least first and second approximation all crimes in the US are committed by Christians. And it is funny, considering how any dark skin criminal is a muslin extremist terrorist theses days up to your president....

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Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:35 am

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FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.


And the price for the most ridiculous statement in this threat goes to you. I have a hard time thinking about a country on this planet that i have been to that is less tolerant than the United States of America. Not that your country is unwelcoming intolerantly, but boy are you wrong.

There is for example no country where giving the right answer to "which church do you go to" is that important, or where "none at all" can cast you out that fast. If it wasn´t for the Bill of rights, you´d still be happily burning heretics.

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Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:35 am

tommy1808 wrote:
mham001 wrote:
What evidence do you have that these were committed by "Christians"?


in at least first and second approximation all crimes in the US are committed by Christians.



Using this logic, you could say the US has a huge epidemic of Black Christian Terror. Not pnly are blacks more Christian than other Americans, 83% vs. 74% they commit 8 times the homicide rate of whites.

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/a-re ... americans/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ted_States
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:41 am

afcjets wrote:
Using this logic, you could say the US has a huge epidemic of Black Christian Terror.


I am happy to see you agree with my statement.

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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:50 am

mham001 wrote:
SOBHI51 wrote:
mham001 wrote:

FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.

Sure, but there always exemption, someone like yourself, all your posting are one attack after another on Islam and Muslims. Not an example of tolerance.


It wouldn't happen without cause. Intolerant of intolerant people.

For example, the primary perpetrators of open antisemitism in America today are Muslims on US universities.


Muslims helped repair the graves destroyed in an act of vandalism, did you mention that anywhere?
Can you prove you latest accusations? Didn't read that anywhere, mind you there are some yellow papers i don't read.
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:30 am

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Can you prove you latest accusations? Didn't read that anywhere, mind you there are some yellow papers i don't read.


It is pretty save to assume that pretty much everything he posts doesn´t stand up to the slightest scrutiny.

http://archive.adl.org/anti_semitism_do ... tation.pdf

Educations is the denominator that counts. With the GOP actively trying to undermine education, they are willingly furthering anti-antisemitism (and also anti-all other minorities or simply anti-different).

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Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:11 am

tommy1808 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Using this logic, you could say the US has a huge epidemic of Black Christian Terror.


I am happy to see you agree with my statement.

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I don't.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:47 pm

BawliBooch wrote:
mham001 wrote:
Yes, one of the most intolerant societies on earth - India.


+1 to that.

But white people need to undersand that this intolerance is a privilege that comes from birth. One of the many Savarna (upper caste) privileges is the privilege to be a hypocrite. I will look the other way as Muslims or Dalit's get lynched on streets. I will insist on separate seating arrangements for lower-castes at my local temple - if at all they are allowed to enter that is. And thats the benefits of economic reforms should remain with the upper castes. Cant let these lower caste Dalit's rise up the social ladder? What if they want to sit with us tomorrow? Or marry our daughters?

The Desi's in the US take this hypocrisy to a whole new level! They cheer wildly at the rise of fascism in India - thats the only way to deal with these "bad hombre's" (meaning Muslims) you see! And keep these lower caste Dalit's in their right place!

Now with the rise of Trump in the US, they see the tables turned on them! Now they are the hunted! And they dont like that!


Who will tell them about Reservation in India and its severe consequences on innocent people like me?

Anyways, I am quitting this thread. Following news about hate crimes and discussing who hates more, personally disturbs me.
I got some real work to do now. Bye!
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:16 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
I have a hard time thinking about a country on this planet that i have been to that is less tolerant than the United States of America.


I can name a few. Most of the western Europe excluding Germany, Australia and China.

It is a OK for a nation to be inherently intolerant, but a major issue is there are few incidents or spike at some point in time.

USA accepts millions of immigrants so definitely there will be more incidents than a country with handful of immigrants. Does it mean some Nordic country which won't even accept anyone is more tolerant.

Brits couldn't accept Eastern Europeans taking low end jobs and voted to leave the union.

There are more Indians killed or brutally attacked in Australia year after year. There are dozens of vlogs on youtube by tourists how locals treat visitors in China.
 
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Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:40 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
mham001 wrote:
FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is.


And the price for the most ridiculous statement in this threat goes to you. I have a hard time thinking about a country on this planet that i have been to that is less tolerant than the United States of America. Not that your country is unwelcoming intolerantly, but boy are you wrong.

There is for example no country where giving the right answer to "which church do you go to" is that important, or where "none at all" can cast you out that fast. If it wasn´t for the Bill of rights, you´d still be happily burning heretics.

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i worked in the usa for 10 years. I worked at my last job for about 8 years. Head of engineering was Armenian and not american - armenian, head of electrical was from Istanbul. I remember Germans, Taiwanese, Chinese, Polish, Mexican etc etc. That was when i started at a 50 employee, high tech white american family owned company. When i left it had over 250 employees and throughout it was maybe 60% american born and the other 40% foreign born.

I'd say they are pretty tolerant of foreigners.
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:23 am

anshabhi wrote:
Who will tell them about Reservation in India and its severe consequences on innocent people like me?

Anyways, I am quitting this thread. Following news about hate crimes and discussing who hates more, personally disturbs me.


You started this thread @anshabhi. it didnt quite go the way you imagined perhaps.

You called people who attacked Indian's in the US as "White Christian Terrorists". By that logic the RW mobs who lynch minority Muslims, Christians & lower caste Dalits should be "Brown Hindu Terrorists"? Lets not expose our double standards here.

anshabhi wrote:
Who will tell them about Reservation in India and its severe consequences on innocent people like me?


Reservations or Affirmative Action cannot be justification for Hate Crime against minorities & Dalits. Its like White Americans using "Affirmative Action" as an excuse to lynch black people.

There is no justification for hate politics. PERIOD!
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Re: Hate crime thread

Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:42 am

"FACT is, the US is one of the most tolerant countries on earth. And still is. "

No, it's an opinion, not a fact. Or in more contemporary language, an alternative fact.

The US has a long very sordid racial history, and if you want to speak *facts*, the US was later to do something as simple as provide practical universal adult suffrage than India was. India achieved that 4 years after independence, in 1951 in its first elections. The US accomplished it in 1965 after the passage of the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act. You should get off your high horse instead of babbling nonsense about 'most intolerant societies on earth'. If we're one, the United States most certainly joins us right beside. Thanks and pass the popcorn.

As for your preference for Sikhs, here's another fact for you: I can bet and win a wager against you where you can't even identify one that I present you with. Pro tip: they don't all wear turbans. I'll even make it easy for you by only picking a guy since the women don't wear turbans. And you'll still fail. And then I'll use the opportunity to mock you for not even being able to tell apart the ones you think are different to begin with. That's the beauty of it. You lack the ability to even tell apart the people you supposedly prefer. And I'll use that *fact* to deride you for maintaining a preference you cannot even implement properly.

You can't tell the Hindus from the Muslims from the Christians among us. You can't tell the upper caste from the lower caste. Heck, a whole bunch of Americans fell over each other to criticize the 'upper caste Brahmin behavior' of the Indian diplomat here, until those folks were told she was actually a Dalit, i.e. from the 'bottom end' of the caste ladder :biggrin: Which in turn led to furious attempts to rationalize her behavior in terms of 'spoilt lower caste people' :lol: The same goes for you - you might pick some guy whom you think is Sikh with wonderful positive attributes until you're informed that the guy's Muslim, or Hindu 8-)
 
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Re: Hate crime thread

Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:26 am

BarfBag wrote:
The US has a long very sordid racial history, and if you want to speak *facts*, the US was later to do something as simple as provide practical universal adult suffrage than India was.

This "sordid racial history" that you speak of pales in comparison to India's history of racial oppression against minorities and the lower castes. America has evolved over the years to a place where racial minorities can expect far more liberties & economic/social freedoms than most other countries on earth.

The position of lower castes in India however continues to be appalling. More so with a Savarna supremacist RSS in power now. Universal suffrage came to India within 4 years of independence yes: but that was a different India. An India led by Nehruvian ideals and liberalism. That India is dead now. If America has Trump, we have it worse. Much worse.

BarfBag wrote:
As for your preference for Sikhs, here's another fact for you: I can bet and win a wager against you where you can't even identify one that I present you with.

How is an American's ability to identify Sikh's relevant to the larger point of India's appalling treatment of its minorities?

BarfBag wrote:
You can't tell the Hindus from the Muslims from the Christians among us. You can't tell the upper caste from the lower caste.

And what does it say about India, that despite not being able to tell each other apart, some Indian's have shown a remarkable ability to lynch people?

BTW: if i may ask, are you based in India? Why do you hate America so much?
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Re: Hate crime thread

Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:31 am

mad99 wrote:
I'd say they are pretty tolerant of foreigners.


Freely using foreigners to maximize profit ain´t a sign of being tolerant. Or else slavery would be a sign of tolerance as well.

A real measure of how tolerant a nation is, is by how many people you can get to vote for you with a xenophobic, hate filled message, and in that regard the US sits pretty much at the top at the moment.

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