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Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:16 am

I hate to think of how President Trump* will be received at big economic meetings. Probably shunned like a skunk.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:43 am

alberchico wrote:
These stories can't possibly be true can they ???


Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:06 am

Remember, the USA is better than and superior to every other nation in the world. All their leaders must be willing to accept this if they are to be able to speak properly with Trump.

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:30 am

tommy1808 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
These stories can't possibly be true can they ???


Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
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Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:37 am

coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
These stories can't possibly be true can they ???


Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
Thomas

Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand before throwing insults?

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:38 am

US president's comments aside, it never ceases to amaze how people can be so brazenly hypocritical.

Drugs is the prime example. The same people who are willing to stand their ground to the bitter end and spill blood in defense of private firearm ownership ("guns don't kill people, people kill people" -- I agree actually! Personal responsibility), are the first ones to summarily "blame the Mexicans or the Colombians", for their own country's population massive drug consumption. In this case, I guess it's no longer people kill people (through their personal choices), but those nasty foreigners who give us the drugs.

This is just code for "we ourselves can't do jack-- about our drug problem, our mighty government has no way of curbing our consumption... so we will just bully the supplying nations and accuse them of being corrupt and useless". When the reality is their accusations of others' incompetence is merely and clearly a stark reflection of their own incompetence.

Trump was clearly hinting at the drug trade here. Well, anyone with a clear mind (that is, not tribal infected), can honestly say the USA sending troops, even outright invading Mexico will solve the problem? There is 3000 years of history to show how trying to ban supply as long as demand exist is a complete failure. The problem will shift elsewhere and that's all.

In any event if the US government has been a complete and pathetic failure in ending the drug problem in their own country (ALL GOVERNMENTS in the world have been), both consumption AND yes, production (a lot of the recent drugs younger Argentines are getting into are made in the narcotic producing nations of Germany, Netherlands, and United States), then the chances of fixing the bad Hombres problem in another country is effectively zero. And commentators and analysts that claim to you otherwise, simplistically accusing Mexico of incompetence and saying the United States will fix it (cause they are not incompetent presumably), are lying in your face about it.

Every nation is incompetent at ending the drug problem. Never has been fixed and never will be fixed as long as PEOPLE CHOOSE. Personal responsibility.
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:39 am

Dreadnought wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
Thomas

Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand before throwing insults?

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.

Please don't quote me again.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:56 am

It is nice to see a politician speak the truth and get down to the points and be open about it.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:10 am

Please don't quote me again.


Waaah waaah waaah

Why are you even on a discussion forum then? Or maybe you got your bookmarks confused and you meant to click on the Berkeley rioters forum where you can kumbaya with your like minded SJWs while quashing any and all opposing views.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:14 am

Dreadnought wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
Thomas

Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand before throwing insults?

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.


Well, he got a point.You can express your concern about the issue at hands in normal, civilized terms .... why can´t your president? Even with one of the US´s closest alley .... and one he probably just greatly pissed of with his TPP withdrawal at that?

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:19 am

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It is nice to see a politician speak the truth and get down to the points and be open about it.

Perhaps, Perhaps not.

There is something fishy about this story... The links don't actually provide a source, just rumor and innuendo. Otherwise known as fake news from the alt-left. They don't show the actual transcripts, just bits that are allegedly from the Trump side of the conversation.

Other reports say that both the Mexican and Australian Governments deny that these quotes are correct. - "Mexico’s foreign ministry denied any threats were issued by Trump in his talks with Peña Nieto, saying in a statement on Tuesday evening that the information in Estévez’s report “didn’t correspond with reality”. It reiterated that the tone of the telephone conversations between Peña Nieto and Trump “was constructive”." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -to-mexico

Sounds like just another hit piece of fake news from the Washington Post and their cabal.

Karma is going to be a real bitch for these people...they are now the non-loyal opposition

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:30 am

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Karma is going to be a real bitch for these people...they are now the non-loyal opposition


They are not loyal to this government, they are however very loyal to America

Journalism is dead.


It is actually on the rise again, since journalists got the message and stopped playing kind and nice.

That in the end a few million deploreables will be locked into their parallel Universe of Breitbart an Co won´t matter a bit.

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:36 am

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Remember, the USA is better than and superior to every other nation in the world. All their leaders must be willing to accept this if they are to be able to speak properly with Trump.

Tugg


Bibi and May didn't have to do this and they spoke nicely with Trump. Your post is just more propaganda and designed to incite. Remember the Euro contingent here has a very low opinion of the US so it's not really needed.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:54 am

Dreadnought wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
Thomas

Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand before throwing insults?

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.


I suppose we don't have to take your refugees either that was part of the "swap" in this deal? Why shoyld we take them?

The source of the leak is though to be Stephen Bannon.

Turnbull has said he is disappointed with the leaking of the private conversation. Turnbull, who I don't like, did refrain from commenting on the private conversation until the deliberate leaks from the USA side. Great way to treat a long time partner nation.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... u3x7e.html

My guess is Turnbull and co will remember this and may not be so favourable to future things Trump wants partnerships on. Or at the least, they may also engage in backgrounding and selective leaking.

The right wing Murdoch media here looks like it is taking exception to Trump's behaviour too.

Maybe the long time relationship between Australia and USA is finished...
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:22 am

If the president chooses not to accept up to 1,250 asylum seekers then it isn't the end of the world. Details of the deal have been deliberately sketchy in any case, and it is unclear what Australia promised in return for the US offer to help the Australian government extricate itself from its own politics.

There is no logical reason that the detainees should go to the US, other than the Government's trumpeting that not a single one will come to Australia, even if they are genuine refugees. Trump's out-trumpeting Turnbull might cause temporary embarrassment but that is self-created by the Government's wish to out-Hanson Hanson.

"We stopped the boats" and "they won't set foot in Australia" make wonderful soundbites, but now what are you going to do with them? Australia should not be seeking to avoid its responsibilities by exporting the problem.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:33 am

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socalgeo wrote:
Karma is going to be a real bitch for these people...they are now the non-loyal opposition


They are not loyal to this government, they are however very loyal to America

Journalism is dead.


It is actually on the rise again, since journalists got the message and stopped playing kind and nice.

That in the end a few million deploreables will be locked into their parallel Universe of Breitbart an Co won´t matter a bit.

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No Thomas, journalism is DEAD.

They are unable to hide how much they tried to help Hillary. Chuck Todd from NBC is the poster boy.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/ ... ary-was-h/

So not only does he admit that the media didn't fully report on Hillary, his wife is a democract strategist.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim ... g-millions

Journalism is dead...
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:03 am

Dreadnought wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
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Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand


The question at hand is that the White House says this:

"the two had “emphasized the enduring strength and closeness of the U.S.-Australia relationship that is critical for peace, stability, and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region and globally.”

And then details of the private phone call end up emblazoned on the world media, and then we get Twitter diplomacy. I think the reaction says everything. The accounts of the "hostile" and "charged" phone call are most likely true. And the photos of Trump at the time of the phone call seem to back that up too.

What it does now is place into doubt in the future (with any other world leaders) that Trump can be trusted to keep any normally private conversations between leaders private. I imagine what will happen now is that other world leaders will treat him with distrust and they'll factor in this incident into any future dealings they have. Trump and his advisors have got to realise now that other leaders will see this as the green light to do their own leaks, white-anting and backgrounding to the media.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:04 am

Dreadnought wrote:
coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.


Aren't most illegals in Australia UK citizens?
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:11 am

socalgeo wrote:
seahawk wrote:
It is nice to see a politician speak the truth and get down to the points and be open about it.

Perhaps, Perhaps not.

There is something fishy about this story... The links don't actually provide a source, just rumor and innuendo. Otherwise known as fake news from the alt-left. They don't show the actual transcripts, just bits that are allegedly from the Trump side of the conversation.

....
Karma is going to be a real bitch for these people...they are now the non-loyal opposition

Journalism is dead.


Don't you see what's going on? The Trump administration is PROUD of these conflictual calls! Bannon in on record as thriving on controversy. It creates the factual disorientation and decoy to provide space for subverting the system. It's Trumps own people who are taking the almost unprecedented step of leaking all these nuggets to the media deliberately.

Forget Trump, Bannon is pulling the strings in this presidency.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:16 am

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If the president chooses not to accept up to 1,250 asylum seekers then it isn't the end of the world. Details of the deal have been deliberately sketchy in any case, and it is unclear what Australia promised in return for the US offer to help the Australian government extricate itself from its own politics.


It isn't unclear at all. Australia has agreed to take refugees from Costa Rica in return for the US agreeing to accept - subject to extreme vetting and thus perhaps rejection - some number of the refugees from Nauru and Manus.

The deal was negotiated with President Obama, and according to both the White House and the US State Department, President Trump had agreed to it. Supposedly, it's why the "out" was put into the recent Executive Order.

Of this phone call:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 38f1e3c3b9

“Also, the explanation being put out by the White House now is that this call came at ‘the end of a long day’ when Trump was ‘tired.’

Trump's later tweet - "a dumb deal" - suggests that perhaps he had not fully understand the deal when he first heard about it, but even after this phone call Turnbull insists that Trump said (during the call) that it is "his intention" to honor the deal." Granted, there's wiggle room there - LOL.

But - deal or no deal - I think it is a concern when the President loses his rag with one of America's oldest and most loyal allies - cripes, we went into Vietnam with the US, "all the way with LBJ" - when even the Brits were smart enough to avoid that.

What's Trump gunna do with someone who hasn't been such a a friend to America?

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:51 am

Turnbull would be well used to dealing with head strong characters such as Trump. Turnbull is a multi-millionaire himself, being a former merchant banker & venture capitalist. He was also a lawyer in a previous life, spending a period as Kerry Packer's counsel, and famously defended an author against the British Government who was trying to stop publication of his book - Spycatcher. Turnbull's closing submission from the trial is appropriate at the moment....

"The fact of the matter is that nothing is achieved in this world, particularly politically, other than with persistence, and persistence involves repetition and it involves argument and re-argument... The public interest in free speech is not just in truthful speech, in correct speech, in fair speech... The interest is in the debate. You see, every person who has ultimately changed the course of history has started off being unpopular." Turnbull's closing submissions, 18 December 1986[30]

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Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:02 am

PhilBy wrote:
Dreadnought wrote:
coolian2 wrote:


Aren't most illegals in Australia UK citizens?


No, but the correct answer on the Aussie Immigration officers question "Do you have a criminal record" is:

"No, does one still need one?"

Now, back to Trumpet, one could say "It's the diplomacy, stupid"

Trump will find out rather sooner than later that no one among his peers will take him serious. This will lead ti Isolation in a rather short time Interesting will be the G20 Meeting in Hamburg in June. He is invited but I really think that they should relocate the Meeting to Hamburg NJ.

Another Thing that made me curious, did anybody notice as well that there are always guys Standing behind him taking note? Where have I seen that before? :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:48 am

I would say joint press conferences where president serenades foreign leaders are over. They may visit WH privately and put out a press release.
 
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mariner wrote:
KruegerFlaps wrote:
If the president chooses not to accept up to 1,250 asylum seekers then it isn't the end of the world. Details of the deal have been deliberately sketchy in any case, and it is unclear what Australia promised in return for the US offer to help the Australian government extricate itself from its own politics.


It isn't unclear at all. Australia has agreed to take refugees from Costa Rica in return for the US agreeing to accept - subject to extreme vetting and thus perhaps rejection - some number of the refugees from Nauru and Manus.

The deal was negotiated with President Obama, and according to both the White House and the US State Department, President Trump had agreed to it. Supposedly, it's why the "out" was put into the recent Executive Order.

Of this phone call:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 38f1e3c3b9

“Also, the explanation being put out by the White House now is that this call came at ‘the end of a long day’ when Trump was ‘tired.’

Trump's later tweet - "a dumb deal" - suggests that perhaps he had not fully understand the deal when he first heard about it, but even after this phone call Turnbull insists that Trump said (during the call) that it is "his intention" to honor the deal." Granted, there's wiggle room there - LOL.

But - deal or no deal - I think it is a concern when the President loses his rag with one of America's oldest and most loyal allies - cripes, we went into Vietnam with the US, "all the way with LBJ" - when even the Brits were smart enough to avoid that.

What's Trump gunna do with someone who hasn't been such a a friend to America?

mariner


A time out in the "special relationship" might be a good thing for both countries.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:53 pm

With recent changes at least Australia and UK will stop supporting every war effort without any thought process. There wouldn't be any fake "coalitions of willing" to justify fake wars. Good for everyone.
 
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In any event if the US government has been a complete and pathetic failure in ending the drug problem in their own country .


1. It is too good a reason to massively medle in other countries.

2. Drug trafficking is just too good a way to create illicit and uncontrolled funding for CIA, and those other 2letter orgs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_I ... rafficking

After the Taliban had taken power opium output from Afghanistan went down to ZERO.
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Another Thing that made me curious, did anybody notice as well that there are always guys Standing behind him taking note? Where have I seen that before? :scratchchin: :scratchchin:


He's paid on word count.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:40 pm

The US bickers about taking up 1250 refugees... guess how many Lebanon took? Or the EU? Or Germany alone?

And then, each state must treat people humanely. Not locking them up on islands far away. Every civilized country sets a refugee free even after turning down their request. Because no refugee can't be sent back into a country which cannot properly care for that refugee. Coming to another country is not a crime.

I'm saddened. MAKE RACISM WRONG AGAIN!

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The US bickers about taking up 1250 refugees... guess how many Lebanon took? Or the EU? Or Germany alone?
I'm saddened. MAKE RACISM WRONG AGAIN!

Can't you see! The US boat is full.
It only could support a mere million natives.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:08 pm

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Bibi and May didn't have to do this and they spoke nicely with Trump. Your post is just more propaganda and designed to incite. Remember the Euro contingent here has a very low opinion of the US so it's not really needed.


Bibi and May are in vulnerable positions and have no choice but to kowtow to Trump. Bibi's surrounded by irrationally hostile actors, while May is in the process of alienating friendly neighbours. They both need the US now more than ever. Which is to say: if Trump says "jump!", they'll ask "how high?".

The vast majority of other states are not going to be as subservient. All Turnbull appears to have done is ask the US to respect its earlier commitments. Hardly unreasonable and not worth a shouting match. Or a tweet.

We all understand the primal instinct to defend those we support, but let's be real here: if Obama had behaved like this, he would have been pilloried by the Trump-supporting 'nothing to see here' crowd.

Trump's visit to the UK will certainly be entertaining. A good chunk of the British population accepts the economic rationale for May kowtowing, but want him nowhere near the queen. He, in turn, allegedly wants Her Majesty to sit around watching him golf at Balmoral.

In other news, the leader of Crimea speaks very nicely with Russian leaders. Ukraine is at fault for not having nice conversations with Russian leaders.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:22 pm

It's starting to look like the story has some merit. If so it's truly unfortunate. Shitting on one of 4-5 Tier 1 allies, and the only one likely to spill blood with you in a regional conflict, no questions asked, is probably the the most short-sighted and idiotic thing Trump has done yet in the foreign policy arena. Probably a dead heat with encouraging the breakup of the EU. None of this fits decades long conservative foreign policy doctrine, the one area where I sometimes break with my progressive tribe. I don't understand how the GOP isn't in a fucking uproar over this. Australia's alliance today is quite possibly more strategic to US interests than Great Britain's. It simply boggles the mind how unprepared, unknowledgeable and uncouth the man is. I'm starting to think he might really be suffering from some mental disease. And to follow this by discussing the Apprentice and Arnold's ratings at the national prayer breakfast, I'm simply dumbfounded. I trust that behind the scenes forces in our government stand ready to do what's necessary to protect this country and its friends.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:26 pm

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The US bickers about taking up 1250 refugees... guess how many Lebanon took? Or the EU? Or Germany alone?

And then, each state must treat people humanely. Not locking them up on islands far away. Every civilized country sets a refugee free even after turning down their request. Because no refugee can't be sent back into a country which cannot properly care for that refugee.

I'm saddened. MAKE RACISM WRONG AGAIN!

David


Finland took 30 000. The result = Over one billion of costs in a mere year and a significant increase in sexual harassment statistics. Should I feel good about this? The vast majority of people who get their asylum applications accepted will never benefit this country in any way.

Trump is doing the right thing by not wasting tax payers money on this nonsense.

Every civilized country sets a refugee free even after turning down their request. Because no refugee can't be sent back into a country which cannot properly care for that refugee.


Those who get their requests turned down aren't legitimate refugees but economic migrants, otherwise they wouldn't get their asylum applications denied in the first place. Not all asylum seekers are real refugees, in European context the vast majority are economic migrants.

Coming to another country is not a crime.


In vast majority of world's countries crossing the border illegally is a crime.
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Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:36 pm

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Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
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Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand before throwing insults?

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.


ANYTHING to not criticize the petulant ravings of someone with the temperment of a 5-year old. As long as you have to avoid doing that, anything goes with this lunatic. The headling is how he treats others, more than the actual issue on immigrants. But that flew right over your head, didn't it?
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:38 pm

But if he has no plans to go to war there is no bloodshed. It is more likely Putin will help with Syria,Iran and other flash points. If Russia agrees to create and protect safe zones, there is no issue of refugees. Crimea is a closed real estate deal, Trump has no hard feelings about that. Does it really matter what kind of leader Putin is if it helps to settle so many interlinked issues.

I think the era of traditional war is over, it is going to be just special ops or drones to take out bad actors. Without US getting involved in war people may actually start having good feelings about America. I may be wrong.
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:39 pm

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Tugger wrote:
Remember, the USA is better than and superior to every other nation in the world. All their leaders must be willing to accept this if they are to be able to speak properly with Trump.

Tugg


Bibi and May didn't have to do this and they spoke nicely with Trump. Your post is just more propaganda and designed to incite. Remember the Euro contingent here has a very low opinion of the US so it's not really needed.


Anything you don't like is propoganda. Josef Goebbles would have hired you in a heartbeat.
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:46 pm

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It's starting to look like the story has some merit. If so it's truly unfortunate..


I think there's little doubt about the veracity of it, Trump himself has effectively admitted it:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... alls/Trump: Don’t Worry About My ‘Tough’ Phone Calls

"Trump addressed the National Prayer Breakfast early Thursday morning and alluded to his recent "tough" phone conversation with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull. Trump has been criticized over media reports regarding the sentiment of the conversation. According to reports, Trump abruptly ended the call after boasting about his election win and lambasting a refugee deal that President Obama struck to take in 1,250 refugees from an Australian detention center.

"Believe me, when you hear about the tough phone calls I'm having, don't worry about it," Trump said regarding the recent reports. Trump then backed up his statement, adding, "We have to be tough. It's time we are going to be a little tough, folks. We are taken advantage of by every nation in the world, virtually."


My brain is frying about how Australia has "taken advantage of the US", but I imagine the Trump apologists will think of something. I fully accept the concept of "America First" but this was a quid pro quo deal. In return for the US taking some of the Manus/Nauru refugees, we were going to take refugees from Costa Rica, Honduras and El Salvador - potentially some of the "bag hombres" that Trump complains about, perhaps.

And Australia doesn't actually need all those US Marines based at Darwin, but Mr. Bannon might need them there for his predicted war with China.

Senator McCain has tried to mend a few fences:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mccai ... pm-n715916

"Sen. McCain Makes Nice With Australia After Trump’s ‘Blunt’ Talk With PM

One good thing to come out of it is that other world leaders will be ready for the potential bullying when they make their phone calls with Trump - New Zealand is next up, so at least Mr. English will be prepared.

By all accounts, Turnbull refused to be cowed by the bullying but stood up to the man. Give Mr. Turnbull a medal, I say

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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:11 pm

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And then, each state must treat people humanely. Not locking them up on islands far away. Every civilized country sets a refugee free even after turning down their request. Because no refugee can't be sent back into a country which cannot properly care for that refugee. Coming to another country is not a crime.


There is nothing "inhumane" about placing a refugee in a camp on a far-flung island. The host nation is only obliged to provide them with food, housing and safety, nothing else. IMHO, thats the only right way of doing it, as it effectively deters economic migrants from abusing the system (and taking up space from actual refugees) while still providing actual refugees from war with the basics.
We can't have refugees roaming around as they want either. There is a reason why most nations on earth have borders with border controls and require some sort of visa or entry agreement. That goes for everyone entering a country, refugees aren't exempted. Coming to another country is not a crime. Actively trying to force your entry into the other country is.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:33 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Does it really matter what kind of leader Putin is if it helps to settle so many interlinked issues.

It is an interesting statement. Looking at history, the allied forces joined up with Stalin to deal with Hitler. This was a good deal, without Stalin support, the war could have ended differently.
But I think the cards are different now. The interlinked issues you're talking about now are not comparable to the Nazi's. Dealing with IS the Putin/Trump way will cause more anger and more conflict. I just don't see how they can settle things on the long term.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:51 pm

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coolian2 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

Anyone still thinking he is mentally fit?

Best regards
Thomas

Would it be wrong to suggest this is a very valid question?


Has anyone bothered to consider the question at hand before throwing insults?

Australia has all these illegals that they have looked at and decided "we don't want these people in our country". If Australia doesn't want them, why in the hell should we take them? Send them back to wherever they came from.


Because they will more than likely be killed.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:14 pm

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After the Taliban had taken power opium output from Afghanistan went down to ZERO.


Lot of things went down to zero after the Taliban took over if we're being honest...........

Why on earth should farmers be banned from growing Opium? It's not there fault if people choose to abuse it.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:15 pm

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Because they will more than likely be killed.


Says who? If they were real refugees rather than economic migrants (or worse) pretending to be refugees, wouldn't Australia have taken them in? If Australia doesn't want them, that is hardly a ringing endorsement.
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:16 pm

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I'm starting to think he might really be suffering from some mental disease. And to follow this by discussing the Apprentice and Arnold's ratings at the national prayer breakfast, I'm simply dumbfounded. I trust that behind the scenes forces in our government stand ready to do what's necessary to protect this country and its friends.


It's called a sense of humor. Not surprisingly CNN.com has the headline "Trump at Prayer Breakfast: 'Pray for Arnold'. I don't remember them having the headline though "Hillary Clinton endorses SnapChat for self-disappearing emails". The only difference is Trump is joking about polls and ratings, whereas Hillary was joking about national security.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:47 pm

mariner wrote:
Senator McCain has tried to mend a few fences:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mccai ... pm-n715916

"Sen. McCain Makes Nice With Australia After Trump’s ‘Blunt’ Talk With PM

One good thing to come out of it is that other world leaders will be ready for the potential bullying when they make their phone calls with Trump - New Zealand is next up, so at least Mr. English will be prepared.


Can McCain be fired like they did with the judge?
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:56 pm

Sorry to say so, but this thread's claim is a fake. Malcom Turnbull is not the head of any state. However, Queen Elizabeth II. is the head of the Commonwealth of Australia.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:41 pm

It's one thing to be frank and to not pussyfoot around when it comes to international diplomacy. There's surely a case to be made for it.

But if you are going to come on the scene and act like an abject bully, then you'd better have given your position and your strategy a long and serious thought.
There is a reason it is called diplomacy and there is a reason it has been used as such for centuries.
Human have a tendency of not responding very rationally nor taking very well to threats and insults. The end results of these actions is generally detrimental to both parties.

Whatever one thinks of Trump's brash diplomatic style, I don't trust for one second that he has the mental ability to think the whole scenario through, especially the long term ramifications of his hot-headed decisions.
He hasn't surronded himself by the brightest either, so there's no counting on these clowns to steer him back towards reason.
The few left with an ounce of grey matter and who dare speak out against the madness, like McCain (never ever thought I'd think so highly of him!) are mostly eschewed and ignored.

It's quite funny how, when Trump throws his toys out of the pram, his team has to come after him and try to clean up his mess while trying not to offend the supremo. He really is an extreme case of the spoiled brat syndrome...

As with everything else he does, the diplomatic and economic repercussions of Trump's 'management style' will not be felt immediately, but some years down the line. It will probably be his successor's task to repair the damage he will cause.
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:45 pm

KruegerFlaps wrote:
If the president chooses not to accept up to 1,250 asylum seekers then it isn't the end of the world. Details of the deal have been deliberately sketchy in any case, and it is unclear what Australia promised in return for the US offer to help the Australian government extricate itself from its own politics.

There is no logical reason that the detainees should go to the US, other than the Government's trumpeting that not a single one will come to Australia, even if they are genuine refugees. Trump's out-trumpeting Turnbull might cause temporary embarrassment but that is self-created by the Government's wish to out-Hanson Hanson.

"We stopped the boats" and "they won't set foot in Australia" make wonderful soundbites, but now what are you going to do with them? Australia should not be seeking to avoid its responsibilities by exporting the problem.


Despite what is said, the deal with the US was part of a quid pro quo with the United States to help the US resettle Central American refugees. See link for background - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-21/u ... ar/7863712 . I suppose Australia could always go back to focusing on other refugees and let the US solve the Central American issue on its own.

As for Australia "exporting the problem" we already take 18,750 refugees directly out of camps who are in far worse condition, and in far more imminent danger, than people who can afford to pay people smugglers from Asia. The US has a ceiling limit of 85,000. We have a population of 23.13 million, the US has a population of 318.9 million. So the population of the US is 13.78 times that of Australia but the US only takes in 4.5 times the number of refugees that Australia does. So I'll leave it to you to determine who could, or could not, do more.
 
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:01 am

mariner wrote:
My brain is frying about how Australia has "taken advantage of the US", but I imagine the Trump apologists will think of something. I fully accept the concept of "America First" but this was a quid pro quo deal. In return for the US taking some of the Manus/Nauru refugees, we were going to take refugees from Costa Rica, Honduras and El Salvador - potentially some of the "bag hombres" that Trump complains about, perhaps.

And Australia doesn't actually need all those US Marines based at Darwin, but Mr. Bannon might need them there for his predicted war with China.

Senator McCain has tried to mend a few fences:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mccai ... pm-n715916

"Sen. McCain Makes Nice With Australia After Trump’s ‘Blunt’ Talk With PM

One good thing to come out of it is that other world leaders will be ready for the potential bullying when they make their phone calls with Trump - New Zealand is next up, so at least Mr. English will be prepared.

By all accounts, Turnbull refused to be cowed by the bullying but stood up to the man. Give Mr. Turnbull a medal, I say

mariner


Agreed.

First of all I have never liked Turnbull. He is really a lefty and somehow managed to join the wrong political party in Australia. He actually doesn't fit in any political party here. But if this story is true, it makes me like him a bit now. For Trump to say it was the worst phone call yet and that it was a 'tough' phone call, it suggests to me that finally somebody didn't agree with Trump, or say 'yes' to Trump, or kiss Trump's ass, or said 'no' to Trump, or whatever - and if that pissed Trump off to the point where he might have cut the call short and even hung up the phone - I say Kudos to Turnbull. Not bowing down to Trump and kissing his ass unlike other leaders (Abe, for instance) might be just one thing that Turnbull has done right.

Given that China is Australia's most important trading partner by far, I wonder if it's in Australia's interest to allow more US troops to be stationed in Darwin in the future? We are not at war and not looking to start a war so we don't need US troops, especially if it might affect our relationship with our most important trading partner. Hopefully our PM here will put Australian interests first even if it pisses off Trump, just like how Trump will put US interests first. This could be fuel for us not to join the US in the next stupid war they start only because we are mates :)

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Turnbull would be well used to dealing with head strong characters such as Trump. Turnbull is a multi-millionaire himself, being a former merchant banker & venture capitalist. He was also a lawyer in a previous life, spending a period as Kerry Packer's counsel, and famously defended an author against the British Government who was trying to stop publication of his book - Spycatcher.


I believe that book was written by one of Spyhunter's 'connections' ;)
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Re: How Trump treats other heads of state...

Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:31 am

Dreadnought wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Because they will more than likely be killed.


Says who? If they were real refugees rather than economic migrants (or worse) pretending to be refugees, wouldn't Australia have taken them in? If Australia doesn't want them, that is hardly a ringing endorsement.


they are refugees, and they will come here legally. there is 1,250 of them that Obama agreed to take, if they pass the U.S. screening process. right now Trump not even allowing them to submit the paperwork to be screened. If he gives them a chance and they don't pass the screening then obviously they won't be coming here. Let them at least apply.

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