Congratulations to President-elect Trump!

As all of the sane people predicted, the Electoral College went with tradition despite a couple of protest votes; Donald Trump has now formally won the election and US Presidency. Next, there will be a joint session of Congress on 06 January to officially certify the EC results.

'Electors faithful to Trump, select him as official winner'

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/19/polit ... rump-vote/

What's even better was seeing only two "faithless electors" bail on Trump, while FOUR bailed on Clinton!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So, there's Election Day, the recounts, and today - that's three times she's lost the same election!

People are so desperate to see Trump fail it's quite sad, I didn't expect him to win but you have to hope he does a good job. Congratulations on him winning the same election a third time however, quite amusing to watch

And the end of an era. It was a great run, this experiment in democracy. RIP USA 1776-2016

We will survive Trump just as we have all the other Princes and Clowns for all these years. God Bless America.

There's simply not enough popcorn for all the entertainment value the DNC has brought since November 9.

EA CO AS wrote:

What's even better was seeing only two "faithless electors" bail on Trump, while FOUR bailed on Clinton!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So, there's Election Day, the recounts, and today - that's three times she's lost the same election!

Hillary is sure getting a lot of experience at losing

""Eight Democratic electors attempted to vote against Clinton — four in Washington state and one each in Minnesota, Maine, Hawaii and Colorado. But three of the eight who attempted to buck Clinton were replaced by state election officials, raising questions about whether their "faithless" votes will be counted.""

and...

""The most tumult occurred in Washington state, where four Democrats broke ranks and rejected Clinton. Three voted for Colin Powell, marking the first electoral votes for an African-American Republican, and the first time in history a major party elector crossed the aisle and supported a candidate of the opposing major party. ""

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/t ... ing-232814

angusjt wrote:

People are so desperate to see Trump fail it's quite sad, I didn't expect him to win but you have to hope he does a good job. Congratulations on him winning the same election a third time however, quite amusing to watch

Very amusing indeed!

stlgph wrote:

There's simply not enough popcorn for all the entertainment value the DNC has brought since November 9.

If you had bought shares in the popcorn companies just before the election you would have made big profits by now...

The books on the years 2015-2016 are going to be very interesting. I think we might look back on the last 3-5 years as being a real "moment of change" in the history of the USA, at least culturally, like we saw in the late 60's.

EA CO AS wrote:

What's even better was seeing only two "faithless electors" bail on Trump, while FOUR bailed on Clinton!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So, there's Election Day, the recounts, and today - that's three times she's lost the same election!

It appears it is actually five people bailing on Clinton now (in addition to three others that tried to but failed). I thought losing by an even wider margin in the recounts was pathetic, but having her attempted electoral college coup d'état blow up so spectacularly in her face is even better. Homie just doesn't know when to call it quits.

A few interesting statistics about Hillary Clinton's performance in the electoral college today:

- Apparently 8 defecting electors (Hillary's number today, if you include the attempted ones) is the cumulative grand total of defecting electors, from all sides, since 1900

- The last time someone had so many of their electors defect was in 1872, when 63 Democratic electors did not vote for their party's (losing) candidate BECAUSE HE HAD DIED between the general election and the electoral college vote. So Hillary is still doing better than dead 19th century dudes, at least - she has that going for her, which is nice.

It's reasonable to say that while the Republicans are a little bit unsure about their candidate, Democrats are very unpleased by their candidate. The level of honor shown was not high by either candidate. But the DNC rigging against Bernie, the debate questions, the email server, and finally the attempted recount / electoral college power grab were all frankly Class-A election misconduct. Any single one of those elements is a lasting stain and will be revisited in future years. Clinton's career is remarkably full of such scandals. Her constant misbehavior is almost overwhelming.

Trump, yet to be determined, we know less about him. I will bet he is less scandal prone, but also less capable. Which might turn out okay.

Trump is showing obama for what he is. All talk and no action. Trump has done more in a month than Obama does in a year.

His news conference last week was pathetic. One excuse after another.

Good grief the bad guys watching this must have been praying the electoral college would give him another four years.

Planeflyer wrote:

Trump has done more in a month than Obama does in a year.

What exactly has he done in that month, apart from creating controversies and perfecting the art of getting everyone to talk about him?


Unfortunately, this will do nothing to change the electoral system, which the controlling Republicans will now try to use even more to their favor.
They know they can win an election while losing the popular vote by a sizable margin, and they now know how to do it.

The angry and the crazies have won. Let the debacle begin.

while you are all patting yourself on your backs.

Perhaps you should read this Article.

HOW REPUBLIC'S END.

by Paul Krugman

Many people are reacting to the rise of Trumpism and nativist movements in Europe by reading history — specifically, the history of the 1930s. And they are right to do so. It takes willful blindness not to see the parallels between the rise of fascism and our current political nightmare.

But the ’30s isn’t the only era with lessons to teach us. Lately I’ve been reading a lot about the ancient world. Initially, I have to admit, I was doing it for entertainment and as a refuge from news that gets worse with each passing day. But I couldn’t help noticing the contemporary resonances of some Roman history — specifically, the tale of how the Roman Republic fell.

Here’s what I learned: Republican institutions don’t protect against tyranny when powerful people start defying political norms. And tyranny, when it comes, can flourish even while maintaining a republican facade.

On the first point Roman politics involved fierce competition among ambitious men. But for centuries that competition was constrained by some seemingly unbreakable rules.

However important it was for an individual to win fame and add to his and his family’s reputation, this should always be subordinated to the good of the Republic … no disappointed Roman politician sought the aid of a foreign power.”

America used to be like that, with prominent senators declaring that we must stop “partisan politics at the water’s edge.” But now we have a president-elect who openly asked Russia to help smear his opponent, and all indications are that the bulk of his party was and is just fine with that. (A new poll shows that Republican approval of Vladimir Putin has surged even though — or, more likely, precisely because — it has become clear that Russian intervention played an important role in the U.S. election.) Winning domestic political struggles is all that matters, the good of the republic be damned.

And what happens to the republic as a result? Famously, on paper the transformation of Rome from republic to empire never happened. Officially, imperial Rome was still ruled by a Senate that just happened to defer to the emperor, whose title originally just meant “commander,” on everything that mattered. We may not go down exactly the same route — although are we even sure of that? — but the process of destroying democratic substance while preserving forms is already underway.

Consider what just happened in North Carolina. The voters made a clear choice, electing a Democratic governor. The Republican legislature didn’t openly overturn the result — not this time, anyway — but it effectively stripped the governor’s office of power, ensuring that the will of the voters wouldn’t actually matter.

Combine this sort of thing with continuing efforts to disenfranchise or at least discourage voting by minority groups, and you have the potential making of a de facto one-party state: one that maintains the fiction of democracy, but has rigged the game so that the other side can never win.

Why is this happening? I’m not asking why white working-class voters support politicians whose policies will hurt them — I’ll be coming back to that issue in future columns. My question, instead, is why one party’s politicians and officials no longer seem to care about what we used to think were essential American values. And let’s be clear: This is a Republican story, not a case of “both sides do it.”

So what’s driving this story? I don’t think it’s truly ideological. Supposedly free-market politicians are already discovering that crony capitalism is fine as long as it involves the right cronies. It does have to do with class warfare — redistribution from the poor and the middle class to the wealthy is a consistent theme of all modern Republican policies. But what directly drives the attack on democracy, I’d argue, is simple careerism on the part of people who are apparatchiks within a system insulated from outside pressures by gerrymandered districts, unshakable partisan loyalty, and lots and lots of plutocratic financial support.

For such people, toeing the party line and defending the party’s rule are all that matters. And if they sometimes seem consumed with rage at anyone who challenges their actions, well, that’s how hacks always respond when called on their hackery.

One thing all of this makes clear is that the sickness of American politics didn’t begin with Donald Trump, any more than the sickness of the Roman Republic began with Caesar. The erosion of democratic foundations has been underway for decades, and there’s no guarantee that we will ever be able to recover.

But if there is any hope of redemption, it will have to begin with a clear recognition of how bad things are. American democracy is very much on the edge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/opini ... ebook&_r=0

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

while you are all patting yourself on your backs.

We're not patting ourselves on the backs.

We're laughing hysterically at Democrats!

Big difference.

EA CO AS wrote:

What's even better was seeing only two "faithless electors" bail on Trump, while FOUR bailed on Clinton!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

So, there's Election Day, the recounts, and today - that's three times she's lost the same election!

So funny and even better how CNN and MSNBC refused to report it. The total dismissal of the Clinton empire and far left socialist mindset was quite refreshing, Now we can get back to business of making this country great again.

seb146 wrote:

And the end of an era. It was a great run, this experiment in democracy. RIP USA 1776-2016

This melodrama is over the top even for you. Again with statements like this it's hard to find words to respond and underscores why the DNC is in the state it's in.

stlgph wrote:

There's simply not enough popcorn for all the entertainment value the DNC has brought since November 9.

No there isn't and by electing Pelosi they have sent the message they aren't going to listen to the voters. It really is incredible. I will enjoy their freefall down the rabbit hole.

DLFREEBIRD wrote:

while you are all patting yourself on your backs.

Perhaps you should read this Article.

by Paul Krugman

No we really shouldn't read anything from a guy who wants to tax the successful to death so we can't have huge entitlements. We may as well listen to Robert Reich.

Paul Krugman is an idiot who has been wrong about everything for many years. He did 1-2 good economics papers and won a Nobel prize for his columns in the NYT, similar to how Obama won a Nobel prize for some speeches he gave.

Planeflyer wrote:

Trump is showing obama for what he is. All talk and no action. Trump has done more in a month than Obama does in a year.

His news conference last week was pathetic. One excuse after another.

Good grief the bad guys watching this must have been praying the electoral college would give him another four years.

Same thing you saw with going from Carter to Reagan.
in both cases the GOP betrayed/sabotaged the system to have their will.

Pinnacle of democracy, haha.

Democracies have the idea of "loyal opposition". Once the majority has been determined _everybody_ pulls in the same direction.

Flighty wrote:

Paul Krugman is an idiot who has been wrong about everything for many years. He did 1-2 good economics papers and won a Nobel prize for his columns in the NYT, similar to how Obama won a Nobel prize for some speeches he gave.

Obama was granted a Nobel Peace Prize for being a president who wasn't named George W. Bush.

Flighty wrote:

Paul Krugman is an idiot who has been wrong about everything for many years. He did 1-2 good economics papers and won a Nobel prize for his columns in the NYT, similar to how Obama won a Nobel prize for some speeches he gave.

Dr. Krugman is no idiot.

look, if a person lives paycheck to paycheck and finds a hundred dollar bill on the ground they will spend the entire amount. they don't save by definition. In economic terms that's a zero marginal propensity to save. As long as that money passes through the hands of non-savers it is spent over and over again. This is the fuel for the economic engine. However as soon as that money gets into the hands of one of the rich it goes into investments which is a nebulous hole where it is never recycled back into the hands of the wage earner, it only serves to make the rich richer.


this is a simple concept and why trickle down economics no matter how many presidents try it, will never work.

You know Republican have never delivered what they promised. fiscal responsibility, security, individual liberty, all they done is sabotage energy conservation, pollution control, reasonable gun control, fair taxation,affordable education, social security, medicare, welfare and veterans Now were going to go through another republican cycle and rumor has it that they will phase out medicare. So excuse me from your hoodwinked party. and please don't choke on that republican laced kool-aid you all been drinking.

Looking at this thread I see why Trump's words of "bringing the country together" will ring hollow for the next four years. We've all heard of being a sore loser, but man is the country full of sore winners too.

I admitted defeat when I woke up on November 9. I thought the whole notion of trying to convince electors to vote against Trump was a farfetched idea (even though it's fully legal and constitutional for electors to defect). I've accepted the outcome and I've probably been one of the few Clinton supporters on this forum to keep an open mind and hope that he succeeds. I'm centrist enough to at least allow the GOP two years to show what it can do and see if they deliver on their promises.

But frankly, if the recent nominations had me losing faith, it's people who say we need to come together but make it REALLY difficult to do so. Had the situation been the other way (Clinton winning the EC but losing the popular vote), the script would be flipped: seeing conservatives complain about how Clinton did not get a mandate, how electors should have deserted her, and how the country will remain more divided than ever before.

So, yes, enjoy and savor the (mixed) victory, but don't accuse me of being a sore loser if I have grave concerns for what's ahead.

NIKV69 wrote:

No there isn't and by electing Pelosi they have sent the message they aren't going to listen to the voters. It really is incredible. I will enjoy their freefall down the rabbit hole.

FWIW, if Democrats don't get the House in 2018, they deserve to stay in the minority. I also believe Pelosi and the old team needs to step down ASAP. The Senate became more inclusive, but there needs to be another shakeup there too.

777Jet wrote:

I thought Politico was fake/biased news...I guess when it serves your point of view it's excellent.

einsteinboricua wrote:

Looking at this thread I see why Trump's words of "bringing the country together" will ring hollow for the next four years. We've all heard of being a sore loser, but man is the country full of sore winners too.

It isn't about being sore winners. Every single day since Trump won the election, individuals on the left have attempted to de-legitimize his victory and have sought ways to prevent him from becoming President. The recount, Russian hacking allegations, the Electoral College - all attempts to prevent Trump from taking his place as President.

So yes, a great many of us are happy today, because the Electoral College has affirmed Trump's victory in spite of every attempt to the contrary. I won't apologize for celebrating that.

KLDC10 wrote:

einsteinboricua wrote:

Looking at this thread I see why Trump's words of "bringing the country together" will ring hollow for the next four years. We've all heard of being a sore loser, but man is the country full of sore winners too.

It isn't about being sore winners. Every single day since Trump won the election, individuals on the left have attempted to de-legitimize his victory and have sought ways to prevent him from becoming President. The recount, Russian hacking allegations, the Electoral College - all attempts to prevent Trump from taking his place as President.

So yes, a great many of us are happy today, because the Electoral College has affirmed Trump's victory in spite of every attempt to the contrary. I won't apologize for celebrating that.

In other words, you're angry because the left is treating Trump like the right treated Obama for 8 years? Is that correct? Sorry, but you guys were the ones who treated our current president like shit from the moment he was elected, and now you want us to play nice? You can forget that. Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color. Most people on the left oppose Trump because he's an ignorant, unintelligent, Fascist wannabe. We'll be lucky to have a presidential election in 4 years.

Hillis wrote:

In other words, you're angry because the left is treating Trump like the right treated Obama for 8 years? Is that correct? Sorry, but you guys were the ones who treated our current president like shit from the moment he was elected, and now you want us to play nice? You can forget that. Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color. Most people on the left oppose Trump because he's an ignorant, unintelligent, Fascist wannabe. We'll be lucky to have a presidential election in 4 years.

Not at all. The right accepted President Obama's two electoral victories. The right did not storm around demanding recounts in close-run states (but only the close-run states where the preferred candidate lost ). The right did not send death threats to electors. The right did not attempt to bribe electors into changing their votes. The right did not smash up and set fire to private property in the aftermath of the election. The right did not attempt to intimidate electors into changing their votes. The right did not seek ways to prevent President Obama from taking office, which is what the left has spent the last few weeks doing.

einsteinboricua wrote:

777Jet wrote:

I thought Politico was fake/biased news...

Is it? It was the first hit that came up on my Google search so I linked it. Do you have a problem with that? Anyway, nothing false or biased about the specific info in my quote from Politico so I suspect your typical arrogant response is just underpinned by you obviously not liking the content.

Hillis wrote:

KLDC10 wrote:

einsteinboricua wrote:

Looking at this thread I see why Trump's words of "bringing the country together" will ring hollow for the next four years. We've all heard of being a sore loser, but man is the country full of sore winners too.

It isn't about being sore winners. Every single day since Trump won the election, individuals on the left have attempted to de-legitimize his victory and have sought ways to prevent him from becoming President. The recount, Russian hacking allegations, the Electoral College - all attempts to prevent Trump from taking his place as President.

So yes, a great many of us are happy today, because the Electoral College has affirmed Trump's victory in spite of every attempt to the contrary. I won't apologize for celebrating that.

Sorry, but you guys were the ones who treated our current president like shit from the moment he was elected, and now you want us to play nice?

Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color. Most people on the left oppose Trump because he's an ignorant, unintelligent, Fascist wannabe. We'll be lucky to have a presidential election in 4 years.

Your current President was treated like shit because he is shit. All he can do now is whinge and blame Russians.

As for opposing Obama for his skin colour, that is a laughable point given that most on the left in this forum oppose Trump for his hair color... The "human cheeto" y'all say? LOL

777Jet wrote:

Hillis wrote:

KLDC10 wrote:

It isn't about being sore winners. Every single day since Trump won the election, individuals on the left have attempted to de-legitimize his victory and have sought ways to prevent him from becoming President. The recount, Russian hacking allegations, the Electoral College - all attempts to prevent Trump from taking his place as President.

So yes, a great many of us are happy today, because the Electoral College has affirmed Trump's victory in spite of every attempt to the contrary. I won't apologize for celebrating that.

Sorry, but you guys were the ones who treated our current president like shit from the moment he was elected, and now you want us to play nice?

Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color. Most people on the left oppose Trump because he's an ignorant, unintelligent, Fascist wannabe. We'll be lucky to have a presidential election in 4 years.

Your current President was treated like shit because he is shit. All he can do now is whinge and blame Russians.

As for opposing Obama for his skin colour, that is a laughable point given that most on the left in this forum oppose Trump for his hair color... The "human cheeto" y'all say? LOL

The Defense rests. Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, you don't get a Mulligan with Trump.

Hillis wrote:

777Jet wrote:

Hillis wrote:

Sorry, but you guys were the ones who treated our current president like shit from the moment he was elected, and now you want us to play nice?

Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color. Most people on the left oppose Trump because he's an ignorant, unintelligent, Fascist wannabe. We'll be lucky to have a presidential election in 4 years.

Your current President was treated like shit because he is shit. All he can do now is whinge and blame Russians.

As for opposing Obama for his skin colour, that is a laughable point given that most on the left in this forum oppose Trump for his hair color... The "human cheeto" y'all say? LOL

The Defense rests. Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, you don't get a Mulligan with Trump.

Keep up the whinging. Is it getting hot under that tin hat yet?

KLDC10 wrote:

Not at all. The right accepted President Obama's two electoral victories. The right did not storm around demanding recounts in close-run states (but only the close-run states where the preferred candidate lost ). The right did not send death threats to electors. The right did not attempt to bribe electors into changing their votes. The right did not smash up and set fire to private property in the aftermath of the election. The right did not attempt to intimidate electors into changing their votes. The right did not seek ways to prevent President Obama from taking office, which is what the left has spent the last few weeks doing.

The right accepted Obama's elections to the point where the incoming president questioned his eligibility to serve. The right accepted Obama's election to the point where GOP leaders huddled and promised to block all of his proposals. The right accepted Obama's elections to the point where the states he lost immediately filed petitions to secede from the Union. The right accepted Obama's election to the point where they say that the only way he won was through fraud.

So, while the right did not do all those things you say, the right isn't exactly a model of proper electoral behavior.

777Jet wrote:

Hillis wrote:

777Jet wrote:

Your current President was treated like shit because he is shit. All he can do now is whinge and blame Russians.

As for opposing Obama for his skin colour, that is a laughable point given that most on the left in this forum oppose Trump for his hair color... The "human cheeto" y'all say? LOL

The Defense rests. Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, you don't get a Mulligan with Trump.

Keep up the whinging. Is it getting hot under that tin hat yet?

Not whining at all (learn to spell). The left doesn't wear tin hats, it's the righties that believe in the Chemtrails stuff, the FEMA Camps, that ISIS is pouring over the Mexican border. We'll just mark you down as another sore winner.

Hillis wrote:

Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color.

Do you ever get tired of throwing those ridiculous generalizations around? I think they are the primary reason most center/right folks around here have quit taking your posts seriously.

You are quickly becoming a caricature. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a "raaaaacist"

Anyhow, congrats to Trump - keep collecting those liberal tears.

NoTime wrote:

Hillis wrote:

Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color.

Do you ever get tired of throwing those ridiculous generalizations around? I think they are the primary reason most center/right folks around here have quit taking your posts seriously.

You are quickly becoming a caricature. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a "raaaaacist"

Anyhow, congrats to Trump - keep collecting those liberal tears.

Ridiculous? Hardly. I must have hit close to home to come out swinging the way you did on that one. Quite frankly, for a majority of those who hate Obama, that's why they hate him. If it were just about policy, I doubt you would have seen racial epithets thrown at FLOTUS, Melia and Sasha for 8 years. At it's core, it is about race.

Planeflyer wrote:

Trump is showing obama for what he is. All talk and no action. Trump has done more in a month than Obama does in a year.

.

Out of interest, what has Trump done ?

Hillis wrote:

NoTime wrote:

Hillis wrote:

Most of the right opposed Obama because of his skin color.

Do you ever get tired of throwing those ridiculous generalizations around? I think they are the primary reason most center/right folks around here have quit taking your posts seriously.

You are quickly becoming a caricature. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a "raaaaacist"

Anyhow, congrats to Trump - keep collecting those liberal tears.

Ridiculous? Hardly. I must have hit close to home to come out swinging the way you did on that one. Quite frankly, for a majority of those who hate Obama, that's why they hate him. If it were just about policy, I doubt you would have seen racial epithets thrown at FLOTUS, Melia and Sasha for 8 years. At it's core, it is about race.

"Come out swinging?" By pointing out your generalizations? OK, chief. Continue to double down on your ridiculousness. I tried.

jetwet1 wrote:

Planeflyer wrote:

Trump is showing obama for what he is. All talk and no action. Trump has done more in a month than Obama does in a year.

.

Out of interest, what has Trump done ?

Well, let's compare Obama has done in 8 years and what Trump has done since the election.

Obama's policies have helped lead to about 70 straight months of positive job growth, and 15 million jobs created.
Obama's policies have brought down the yearly deficit down by about $1 billion.
Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry, like any other American can.
Obama's policies have opened up a new door to Cuba, and is keeping Iran from building nukes.
Obama's policies have seen us become more self-sufficient energy-wise.

Now, let's see what Trump has done.
He gave Carrier $7 million from Indiana taxpayers to save 800 jobs that Carrier has said it will eventually eliminate due to automation, but let 1100 jobs to go to Mexico.
He is in a twitter war with SNL
He is threatening the First Amendment and news organizations who dare print anything bad about him. And his son-in-law has stated in his paper he's for censoring the media.
He has his kids vetting Cabinet Members
He's hiring the wealthiest, but least experienced cabinet on record.
He has a National Security Advisor who is obsessed with nutty conspiracies and Fake news.
He's kowtowing to Russia so they can do whatever the hell they want.
He's ruining relations with China, and will probably start a trade war with them, if not a real war.

Yeah, Trump has done a whole lot in just over a month. None of it good. But then again, as we've been told, there are no "facts", so I guess that shows us.

NoTime wrote:

Hillis wrote:

NoTime wrote:

Do you ever get tired of throwing those ridiculous generalizations around? I think they are the primary reason most center/right folks around here have quit taking your posts seriously.

You are quickly becoming a caricature. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a "raaaaacist"

Anyhow, congrats to Trump - keep collecting those liberal tears.

Ridiculous? Hardly. I must have hit close to home to come out swinging the way you did on that one. Quite frankly, for a majority of those who hate Obama, that's why they hate him. If it were just about policy, I doubt you would have seen racial epithets thrown at FLOTUS, Melia and Sasha for 8 years. At it's core, it is about race.

"Come out swinging?" By pointing out your generalizations? OK, chief. Continue to double down on your ridiculousness. I tried.

That wasn't a try. It was simply belly aching on your part.

"Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry"

You mean like when he publicly supported California's Proposition 8?

Airstud wrote:

"Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry"

You mean like when he publicly supported California's Proposition 8?

I know conservatives think no one can change their mind or evolve their thinking, but the president did. You have a problem with that?

Airstud wrote:

"Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry"

You mean like when he publicly supported California's Proposition 8?

*cough cough* lock her up *cough cough*

Really glad we still have some conservatives around that vote for candidates who just impersonate integrity. The nation sure would have gone down the drain without you...
/irony

Hillis wrote:

Airstud wrote:

"Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry"

You mean like when he publicly supported California's Proposition 8?

I know conservatives think no one can change their mind or evolve their thinking, but the president did. You have a problem with that?

David Axelrod's comments (http://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/) would suggest otherwise. It would seem that, rather than experiencing an evolution of his viewpoint, President Obama did in fact support gay marriage for a long time, but came out against it for his own political gain. Which in my book is a betrayal both of those who voted for him based on his support for traditional marriage, and the gay community.

KLDC10 wrote:

Hillis wrote:

Airstud wrote:

"Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry"

You mean like when he publicly supported California's Proposition 8?

I know conservatives think no one can change their mind or evolve their thinking, but the president did. You have a problem with that?

David Axelrod's comments (http://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/) would suggest otherwise. It would seem that, rather than experiencing an evolution of his viewpoint, President Obama did in fact support gay marriage for a long time, but came out against it for his own political gain. Which in my book is a betrayal both of those who voted for him based on his support for traditional marriage, and the gay community.

Uh, whatever.

KLDC10 wrote:

Hillis wrote:

Airstud wrote:

"Obama's influence helped to allow LGBTQ's to marry"

You mean like when he publicly supported California's Proposition 8?

I know conservatives think no one can change their mind or evolve their thinking, but the president did. You have a problem with that?

David Axelrod's comments (http://time.com/3702584/gay-marriage-axelrod-obama/) would suggest otherwise. It would seem that, rather than experiencing an evolution of his viewpoint, President Obama did in fact support gay marriage for a long time, but came out against it for his own political gain. Which in my book is a betrayal both of those who voted for him based on his support for traditional marriage, and the gay community.

In 2012, Donald Trump said the electoral college was bad for America. In 2016, he was all for it. I guess he changed his mind for his own political gain. Which in my book is a betrayal of any form of common sense.

See, two can play this stupid game.

Hillis wrote:

Uh, whatever.

With the greatest amount of respect, I have attempted to debate with you reasonably and reply with solid arguments. There are plenty of other people on this board who disagree with what I have to say, but not many of them conduct themselves in the way you do. If you would like to seriously debate the issues, then fine, but if you're going to act like this, I really have better things to do - as, I am sure, do others.

The next 4 years will be interesting. Yea, I'm happy because my candidate won, but even if he didn't, I wouldn't be on here going on and on like some others. Trump is not a threat to our civil rights nor our democracy. Another plus is that I have done research and haven't found any evidence that people have been killed because of his incompetence, unlike Hillary.

Hillis wrote:

777Jet wrote:

Hillis wrote:

The Defense rests. Thanks for proving my point. Sorry, you don't get a Mulligan with Trump.

Keep up the whinging. Is it getting hot under that tin hat yet?

Not whining at all (learn to spell).

You failed again!

'whinge'
verb
gerund or present participle: 'whinging'
definition; complain persistently and in a peevish or irritating way.

Stop making a fool out of yourself. So sad and funny that you fail as a basic spelling police lol.

Hillis wrote:

We'll just mark you down as another sore winner.

Oh the irony in people who who acted like sore winners prematurely before the election saying that lol.

Y'all, especially that PacificBeach and the other fool who said HRC would win with 400+ EC votes, were celebrating and acting like sore winners weeks before the election; and then reality hit. Now you are sore losers. Some of you have just vanished which is great!

Have a great day!

KLDC10 wrote:

Hillis wrote:

Uh, whatever.

With the greatest amount of respect, I have attempted to debate with you reasonably and reply with solid arguments. There are plenty of other people on this board who disagree with what I have to say, but not many of them conduct themselves in the way you do. If you would like to seriously debate the issues, then fine, but if you're going to act like this, I really have better things to do - as, I am sure, do others.

He's getting good at making a fool out of himself. He's been doing it continuously for weeks now!

777Jet wrote:

He's getting good at making a fool out of himself. He's been doing it continuously for weeks now!

We should stop wasting our time...

NIKV69 wrote:

seb146 wrote:

And the end of an era. It was a great run, this experiment in democracy. RIP USA 1776-2016

This melodrama is over the top even for you. Again with statements like this it's hard to find words to respond and underscores why the DNC is in the state it's in.

I'm being melodramatic? Says the supporter of the party of "Obama's gonna take our guns!" and "Obama's gonna make us all Muslims!" and "Obama was born in Kenya so he is not legitimate!" Which is worse? The FACT that Obama has not taken away anyone's guns and lets people choose which religion to follow or the FACT that the human cheeto was hand picked and colluded with a foreign government?

Don't forget that he has also colluded with Aliens waiting to invade Earth from spaceships currently hidden in the dark side of the moon!
That is also a "FACT".
Thankfully the DNC and its minions will save the planet. They managed to screw up their pathetic attempt to flip electors and end up with many actually giving the finger to Hillary but they will save the world from Russians, Aliens and probably the Hydra organization too!

777Jet wrote:

He's getting good at making a fool out of himself. He's been doing it continuously for weeks now!

As I said when I predicted a Trump win, I knew that if he pulled it off, Hillis would be DEVASTATED. And it's clear he continues to be.

It was enjoyable at first, then mildly humorous as time passed, but now I'm just embarrassed for him.

EA CO AS wrote:

As I said when I predicted a Trump win, I knew that if he pulled it off, Hillis would be DEVASTATED. And it's clear he continues to be.

It was enjoyable at first, then mildly humorous as time passed, but now I'm just embarrassed for him.

Your comment sent me searching back through the threads prior to the election. I found this gem: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1346659

Full of insights such as:

Trump has no path to 270

The election won't even be close

Trump won't concede

Trump supporters will be protesting violently on the streets

It just serves as a serious reminder that we shouldn't take things for granted, or get cocky about perceived "foregone conclusions". It is a hard lesson for a lot of Democrats this cycle.