"Since May 2004, coalition forces have recovered at least 501 pre-1991 Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons, including 448 122-mm al Borak rocket warheads, many of which contain the nerve agent Sarin" "Of the 420 CW munitions recovered from April 2009-March 2011, 393 of these rounds were nonviable CW munitions.......The remaining 27 CW munitions remained in such a condition as to be considered viable."
This is not at either of the links you provided. But even from your quote with no source I can see that these were pre-1991: in other words they were discarded junk.
So it's time for you accept the fact that Saddam had no WMDs and no WMDs have ever been found in Iraq in spite of all the searches that took place from 2003 until the US pulled completed the pullout in 2011. None, zero, zip. Discarded trash pile shell casings don't count as WMDs even if some of them still had not been dismantled.
So you need to give that one up.
That's really cute. But it ignores what was said in the earlier post, there's no need to repeat it now, just refer back to the None, zero, zip part above, and - Bush was lying to the people of the United States.
You are trying to make it sound like Bush's motives were pure and he spoke the truth.
Because you are unable to see there might be a middle ground, you assume that if I suggest Bush wasn't pure evil that that means I must believe him to be a saint. Doesn't work like that; I believe in human nature, not cartoon caricatures.
The evil / saint quandary is all yours, please don't try to involve me in it. Your middle ground gambit like the black/white schtick is another somewhat tired cliche; Bush lied, you even copped to it when you said "the war was sold in a deliberately ambiguous way". That's just your ambiguous way of admitting that Bush lied.
What happened was a vindication of Sinclair Lewis's when fascism comes to America it will arrive wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross
- that and the BS about WMDs pretty much describes the sales job for the 2003 war.
Think you have some proof to make that claim. All you've shown so far was that the foreign policy of certain players in the Bush regime remained consistent between the two Gulf Wars, which isn't particularly surprising.
I've shown a lot more than that, if you were to read the Wikipedia link I provided and watch the Frontline program I linked to. You surely don't expect me to come up with a letter from Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld saying "we adapted the PNAC program" do you?
We have to observe the Bush administration's actions, and one of the actions taken by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld was to populate the administration with PNAC members, (in most other contexts these would be called "operatives".)
Here is a list of the signatories to the PNAC founding statement who were members of the Bush administration circa 2003
Elliott Abrams Representative for Middle Eastern Affairs
Richard Armitage Deputy Secretary of State
John R. Bolton U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
Richard Cheney Vice President
Seth Cropsey Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict
Paula Dobriansky Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs.
Francis Fukuyama President's Council on Bioethics Council Member
Bruce Jackson President of U.S. Committee on NATO
Zalmay Khalilzad U.S. Ambassador to Iraq
"Scooter" Libby Chief of Staff for the Vice President
Peter W. Rodman Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security
Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense
R. Scheunemann U.S. Committee on NATO (Founded the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq)
Paul Wolfowitz World Bank President
Dov S. Zakheim Department of Defense Comptroller
Robert B. Zoellick Deputy Secretary of State
Ah yes, a Jewish plot. That train's never late!
The Illuminati was your contribution to the thread, not mine; and you should try to keep in mind that Zionism is not synonymous with Jewish.
All we can say for certain is that WMDs were not the only consideration that led to the war.....................
As I have just pointed out to you WMDs were not the reason for the invasion, neither was the fabricated link of Saddam to 9-11. They had bigger plans, they were going to fix the ME all in one swoop. WMDs were just a strawman.
I'm done with bantering with you in this thread. Let's give the thread back to those who want to discuss Korea.