tommy1808 wrote:tu204 wrote:1) Again, proof please of any cases of intimidation. Or do you really believe that 5 million people were intimidated into casting their votes? Just by being their alongside Crimean militia? C'mon dude.
More than 100k people fled from Russian opression on Crimea, intimidation isn't even a question. Thugs with guns are by definition intimidating.
2) Well the "toilet paper" as you say of the UN charter kinda mentions the right to self-determination of people.
"Self" ... Not being invaded with the opressor holding the "determination", and somehow forgot to put "independence" on the ballot....
As if any sane person assums Russia would have left if the "vote" didn't go there way they set it up to be.
One can not fail to notice that more people fled crimea than supposedly voted not for joining Russia .... explains why the didn't need much intimidation, as the Russian Reich obviosuly brought a whole lot of filed in ballots with them....
[Quot]The "toilet paper" of Ukraine obviosuly doesnt allow anyone to seceed without their approval
Which is pretty standard and doesn't violate any international laws or standards and is in no way comparable to trying and failing to legalise an Annexion.
The "toilet paper" of Serbia doesn't either yet the lady that is your leader, according to your "toilet paper" said that Kosovo has a right to independence even though it goes against Serbia's "toilet paper".
Well, different from void document you call constitution in Russia, as it violates international laws, none of what you mention above is inconsistent. You may have, or more obviously you have not, noticed that Serbia wasn't bombed because they didn't want to let Kosovo go, but because they committed crimes against humanity while trying to stop them from leaving. Just like none of the sanctions against Russia is because Crimea became de facto part of Russia, but for taking it illegally.
Here's a hint: nobody cares in Crimea what Ukraine's "toilet paper" says.
Oh, they do..otherwise the continued oppression would not be needed.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/03/18/ukr ... ion-crimea3) Hey, I love these sanctions. Keep em' comin'.
The more seperated we are from the West economically and politically, the better. Plus our farmers are having a wild time
I agree. North Korea is about the status Russia should have. If it wasn't for natural resources, Russia would have just as much internationally competitive production thank NK: pretty much zero.
4) Well the chances of seeing Putin on trial are about the same as seeing Bush, Obama and Trump (all of whom are guilty way more than Putin) on trial, so dont hold your breath
Or Schröder. Maybe someone can arrange to have removed from his office by way of polonium posining.
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Well even if 100,000 people left Crimea (again, where are you getting your numbers from?) that is insignificant compared to the million that voted to leave Ukraine. Why should the majority of the population suffer because of the will of the minority or some Germans or Americans want them to remain a part of Ukraine that is in a downward spiral?
Also take note that even your bullshit western media does not deny the fact that the majority of Crimeans wanted to seceed to Russia.
As for getting Russia DPRK status with sanctions, well, as I said, I am all for completely cutting ties with the West. Not much good comes from relations with the West. Like I said again, these sanctions have been awesome for Russia in the long term, Russia's agricultural sanctions against you guys have boosted the agricultural sector to the point where we can feed ourselves, have become the largest exporter of grain in the World in just several years. Well and I take it our sanctions screwed your farmers nicely, being imposed right before harvest season
Local production of pretty much everything increased significantly because now businesses got the message that the West cannot be trusted.
But NK status is impossible because a) half the EU countries are pretty pissed that they were forced to impose sanctions on Russia and b) nobody but the EU+US and a couple of vassals actually care about this matter.