The United States (government, not people) are and for as long as have know for them, have been two faced liers.
Examples:
1)NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
Although I compleatly agree with the fact that that bastard Milosevic has got to be stopped (and bombing might have been the only way, I don't know) it was not done becuase the US cares about people. It was done because NATO needed to excuse its existence and the Americans how to get rid of some of their back-log of weapons
2)Also, the same theing that Milosevic did in Kosovo has been going in Turkey for years with Kurds (they are second class citizens, allmost not even people. I even saw a video of them being beaten by Turks and no one did a single thing) no one does anything against Turkey. Oh! could that be because they are in NATO? One of those countries right on the North Atlantic.
3)The US helped General Augusto Pinochet organize his coup in Chile and kill hundreds of thousands of Spanyards. The world knew what was going on in Chile yet the US kept sending them financial aid constantly. All this to overthrow the Chilean Socialist government. OOOHH!!!! is the all-mighty US of A scared of Chile!!!
4)Refering to the previous post, somone on this forum replied to "America should adopt Socialism" and said any country should choose what kind of government they want because not everything works for everybody. Well, I agree but your government certainly doesn't think so!!!
What do you guys think??
JAT
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
I think you have opened a real can of worms.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
I am going for a record number of responses 
You are a a fellow Canuck so I gather you take my side then?
JAT
You are a a fellow Canuck so I gather you take my side then?
JAT
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
A wise man once said that one should never discuss Politics or Religion if you wish to keep harmony.
I'm bailing out on this one. ( call me a wimp, I can take it ) I will be watching however.
Copper1
I'm bailing out on this one. ( call me a wimp, I can take it ) I will be watching however.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
I hope that I will not get lynched for this... but here goes in the spirit of good debate and friendly argument. I am a student of modern US history... this is one of the few things you can do w/ a history major 
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ok... after WWII closed the US became the predominate world power in direct opposition to the Soviet Union. In the battle to gain power in the world, mostly in the 3rd world... we continually supported any regime that was not Communist, under the impression that any communist revolution was the workings of the Kremlin. Which much of the time was not true. Obviously this pattern continued through 1990 when the Soviet regime fell. over that 30-40 year period some of america's greatest moments occured (heavy sarcasm intended) Remember United Fruit in the 50's, Vietnam, and secret CIA involvement in Angola.
Since then the US has been weary, trying to fight this so-called "Vietnam Syndrome". We got involved in the Gulf to secure oil. But then we are reluctant to get involved in Bosnia for fear it might be another vietnam. Basically throughout the 90's we have been more involved internationally in peacekeeping and NATO actions but the US public has been weary of all this. And to answer the question why bomb Belgrade and not Ankara... the Serbs are not our allies and the Turkish have long since been friendly to us... they were kind enough to let us place nukes there.
So I guess the long and short of it is there is no simple answer. Our foreign policy makes no sense... we have formal relations with Vietnam and not Cuba... tell me that i am not the only one that thinks that makes no sense.
i will try to answer any other questions or clear up any points.
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ok... after WWII closed the US became the predominate world power in direct opposition to the Soviet Union. In the battle to gain power in the world, mostly in the 3rd world... we continually supported any regime that was not Communist, under the impression that any communist revolution was the workings of the Kremlin. Which much of the time was not true. Obviously this pattern continued through 1990 when the Soviet regime fell. over that 30-40 year period some of america's greatest moments occured (heavy sarcasm intended) Remember United Fruit in the 50's, Vietnam, and secret CIA involvement in Angola.
Since then the US has been weary, trying to fight this so-called "Vietnam Syndrome". We got involved in the Gulf to secure oil. But then we are reluctant to get involved in Bosnia for fear it might be another vietnam. Basically throughout the 90's we have been more involved internationally in peacekeeping and NATO actions but the US public has been weary of all this. And to answer the question why bomb Belgrade and not Ankara... the Serbs are not our allies and the Turkish have long since been friendly to us... they were kind enough to let us place nukes there.
So I guess the long and short of it is there is no simple answer. Our foreign policy makes no sense... we have formal relations with Vietnam and not Cuba... tell me that i am not the only one that thinks that makes no sense.
i will try to answer any other questions or clear up any points.
-Brad
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
I appreciate your reference to government and not the people. Yes, US foreign policy today is a joke because the US is being led by a self serving 24 Karat opportunist rat. Over and out.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
WELL... I would not go so far as that. Regardless of your opinion of President Clinton... we will let the historians and political scientists hash that out. Foreign policy is much more long term. it varies little from presidency to presidency.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
You would have to express policy in the broadest of terms to say that it doesn't vary from president to president. No cohesiveness,rhyme nor reason now. Just resume ("legacy") padding.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
yes, I would have to agree with that. All leaders want to have some sort of legacy. And some decisions are done strictly to gain electorate support and everything. But I think these are more individual events. But overall direction, say like relations with Cuba is something foreign policy advisors really more define. Its one of those interesting things that the average Joe does not know how many decisions are made within our governments bureaucracy. and to be honest I'd rather have them making some of these decisions than our elected officials. Obviously it is still the President's job to approve airstrikes, or to send in peacekeepers etc.... and they get the credit/blame for it. But the interesting thing... take the Cold War... despite having both Democratic administrations and Republican administrations and congresses things were done the same. That didn't happen by accident. Keep them coming... I am enjoying this.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
bombing of Serbian military should have been done
in 1990. or 1991. - then the whole shit in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo wouldn't happen at all.
of course US is "two-faced", but as far as I remember it was
an action of NATO, not just America + buddies as in Iraq
of course that is just one side of truth
and war crimes tribune in Haag - only Serbs, Croatians and Bosnians -
but what happened with Vietnam, N. Korea - U.S. military - from soldiers to generals?
I haven't heard they were prosecuted?
what the France did in Algiers, Britain on Falklands (do you really believe it is a British teritory ),
and nuke tests in Pacific - I don't remember that Switzerland did that - we know who did it.
and what those jerks in D.C. did to that poor cuban boy
in 1990. or 1991. - then the whole shit in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo wouldn't happen at all.
of course US is "two-faced", but as far as I remember it was
an action of NATO, not just America + buddies as in Iraq
of course that is just one side of truth
and war crimes tribune in Haag - only Serbs, Croatians and Bosnians -
but what happened with Vietnam, N. Korea - U.S. military - from soldiers to generals?
I haven't heard they were prosecuted?
what the France did in Algiers, Britain on Falklands (do you really believe it is a British teritory ),
and nuke tests in Pacific - I don't remember that Switzerland did that - we know who did it.
and what those jerks in D.C. did to that poor cuban boy
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This is a bit off-topic, but I am hoping you may be able to provide some insight for me.
My ex is Croatian and still has family in Croatia (Dubrovnik, Split, Zagreb and Osijek). During the 90-91 war, it was reported heavily in the media here in Australia (and elsewhere I suspect) that times were hard for the people of Croatia (and Bosnia) (which is understandable)....however, he was able to make contact with his relatives in Croatia on a regular basis, and they stated that the war was almost non-existent and that life went on as normal. Is this in fact the case? (Maybe it was a case of his relatives not telling the whole truth just to make us feel more at ease).
But I do agree that the Milosevic problem had to be dealt with a lot earlier than the recent troubles in Kosovo.
Question: What do you call a Serbian prostitute?
Answer: Slobber-down my-cock-you-bitch
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P.S. Could you possibly email me as there is something I would like to ask you off this forum.
My ex is Croatian and still has family in Croatia (Dubrovnik, Split, Zagreb and Osijek). During the 90-91 war, it was reported heavily in the media here in Australia (and elsewhere I suspect) that times were hard for the people of Croatia (and Bosnia) (which is understandable)....however, he was able to make contact with his relatives in Croatia on a regular basis, and they stated that the war was almost non-existent and that life went on as normal. Is this in fact the case? (Maybe it was a case of his relatives not telling the whole truth just to make us feel more at ease).
But I do agree that the Milosevic problem had to be dealt with a lot earlier than the recent troubles in Kosovo.
Question: What do you call a Serbian prostitute?
Answer: Slobber-down my-cock-you-bitch
Cheers
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P.S. Could you possibly email me as there is something I would like to ask you off this forum.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
I agree with some of your points but I think that we need to remember that it was not JUST the U.S. fighting Iraq, Yugoslavia and so on. And why don't some of the Europeans help in Turkey. The Europeans aren't blind I think.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Yes, it was NATO who bombed Yugoslavia. But I don't thonk antbody can deny that if the US didn't want it to be done i would not have happened.
Oh sure, Portugal's frigate and Canada's few CF-18's played a part but the bulk of it was American. As far as the US is concerened with getting tough on Milosevic if the current rumours are true that they would give him assylum if he stepped down then they don't really want to persecute him.
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Oh sure, Portugal's frigate and Canada's few CF-18's played a part but the bulk of it was American. As far as the US is concerened with getting tough on Milosevic if the current rumours are true that they would give him assylum if he stepped down then they don't really want to persecute him.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Because many Americans have little knowledge of the world and their relationship with it, only a small percentage actually bothers to vote or keep up with the issues. Consequently this has allowed various big business to fill the power vacuum and through mass lobbying and ownership of the media are able to control the agenda with little opposition. Unfortunately many people I talk with so see this as the case, they usually say “oh no, this is America.. that would never happen, maybe somewhere else but not no, not in America.” Can you say hoodwinked?
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
my above should have read.. many people I talk with do not see....
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Bingo! The above post was right on the money and quite profound. To too many, ignorance is bliss. The Frog slowly boiling to death analogy applies here.
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Did you ever read the "Story of B" by Daniel Quinn??? (the reference to the boiling frog)
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Well, the Story of B is a fictional story of this professor who goes around lecturing and telling stories. One of the storie he tells is the parable of the frog in the boiling pot of water. Quinn is big on the idea that as society become modernized (he considers modernization the start of the agricultural revolution 4000 years ago) the water began to heat up. But since it heated up so gradually the frog didn't notice, it become warmer but it was comfortable until the frog eventually gets boiled to death. Which is the point that Quinn is making about modern society, we have outgrown the carrying capacity of the planet but remain oblivious to what is really going on around us, which can also be said about how our world is evolving... the globalization, the increasing control of large international business on world gov'ts etc.... Quinn is a bit weird, but if you like stuff that makes you think it is worth reading. Usally B. Dalton or Waldenbooks carries a few of his titles and Borders or Barnes and Nobles will have more and you can get it from Amazon.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
if the US continues its behaviour it will soon be bombng countries which don't want to drink COKE (brownish poisonous liquid)
in several last "missions" pne of the priorities was to test weapons
I remember in one documentary (actualy it was about British, but it's the same as US)
it was about Harrier acft - one of the engineers told that they hardly wanted a war to show abilities of Harrier - he should be hanged for such statement - to kill people for his satisfaction and fun
in several last "missions" pne of the priorities was to test weapons
I remember in one documentary (actualy it was about British, but it's the same as US)
it was about Harrier acft - one of the engineers told that they hardly wanted a war to show abilities of Harrier - he should be hanged for such statement - to kill people for his satisfaction and fun
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
"if the US continues its behaviour it will soon be bombng countries which don't want to drink COKE (brownish poisonous liquid)
in several last "missions" pne of the priorities was to test weapons"
I actually like that brownish poisonous liquid, Pepsi also
But seriously you make a good point, and the danger in this attitude is that it's bound to backfire (I hate to think how) and the general public including me will be on the receiving end. That’s an uncomfortable thought.
in several last "missions" pne of the priorities was to test weapons"
I actually like that brownish poisonous liquid, Pepsi also
But seriously you make a good point, and the danger in this attitude is that it's bound to backfire (I hate to think how) and the general public including me will be on the receiving end. That’s an uncomfortable thought.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
It already is backfiring. There are many parts of the world that are effectivly cut off from safe travel if you are an American citizen. Not very often you hear about foreigners being killed simply because of the country that they come from but whenever you do there is a good chance that those seleted to be killed will be from the United States.
There is no doubt in my mind that this is simply because of American foreign policy. Yes the United States is the most powerful country both militarily and economically but this in the minds of many does not give them the right to impose their will and values on other nations.
The United States Government ( by the people, for the people ) has the blood of many murdered American citizens on it's hands. It is too bad that there will be more cases of this type of thing because of the overwhelming thoughts in the USA of " My country right or wrong and Might is Right".
A most unfortunate situation as most American people are hard working, decent folks but as a group they need to wake up to what their Politicians are doing. A look outside the boarder of your own country every once in awhile is a good thing, no matter what country you are from.
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There is no doubt in my mind that this is simply because of American foreign policy. Yes the United States is the most powerful country both militarily and economically but this in the minds of many does not give them the right to impose their will and values on other nations.
The United States Government ( by the people, for the people ) has the blood of many murdered American citizens on it's hands. It is too bad that there will be more cases of this type of thing because of the overwhelming thoughts in the USA of " My country right or wrong and Might is Right".
A most unfortunate situation as most American people are hard working, decent folks but as a group they need to wake up to what their Politicians are doing. A look outside the boarder of your own country every once in awhile is a good thing, no matter what country you are from.
Copper1
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
I chose "Coke" because it is considered as one of main symbols of America. Yeah, it's taste is
good and I drink it from time to time- but actually it is quite dangerous for health (in excess
quantities)- and they still produce it - just to make profits. But still I consider glass of wine or beer
to be more healthier - doctors said that. Of course I don't mean to drink 2 liters of wine at one time.
And while we at beer - Budweiser is the best - Hey, what Budweiser you may think? I don't
understand how americans can claim that Budweiser is their name and not Czech - when I last
checked town of Budweis (a.k.a. Ceske Budjejovice) was located in Czech Reuplic, not Alabama.
So much about their respect about invention and free enterprise.
As I've seen from several movies and TV series - it is worse to pray in school than to carry a pocket
missile launcher there. Has anybody wached the episode of "The Simpsons" when Flanders was
pricipal - superintendant came, saw chaos in school but didn't do anything until he heard "a prayer"
from Flanders. Ain't this a bit strange. OK, "The Simpsons" aren't totaly realistic but still I consider
them a good critic of some problems in America.
I hope Dole will be a new president - it is safer for the whole world that there is a democrat, and not
republican in White House. It is rather unfair that only 4% of the world population decide about the destiny of the other 96%.
good and I drink it from time to time- but actually it is quite dangerous for health (in excess
quantities)- and they still produce it - just to make profits. But still I consider glass of wine or beer
to be more healthier - doctors said that. Of course I don't mean to drink 2 liters of wine at one time.
And while we at beer - Budweiser is the best - Hey, what Budweiser you may think? I don't
understand how americans can claim that Budweiser is their name and not Czech - when I last
checked town of Budweis (a.k.a. Ceske Budjejovice) was located in Czech Reuplic, not Alabama.
So much about their respect about invention and free enterprise.
As I've seen from several movies and TV series - it is worse to pray in school than to carry a pocket
missile launcher there. Has anybody wached the episode of "The Simpsons" when Flanders was
pricipal - superintendant came, saw chaos in school but didn't do anything until he heard "a prayer"
from Flanders. Ain't this a bit strange. OK, "The Simpsons" aren't totaly realistic but still I consider
them a good critic of some problems in America.
I hope Dole will be a new president - it is safer for the whole world that there is a democrat, and not
republican in White House. It is rather unfair that only 4% of the world population decide about the destiny of the other 96%.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Yes it is unfair.. unfortunately it is very possible the Republicans will completely sweep Democrats out of power this year (scary). If so combined with their friends in the extreme religious right would be in position to legislate virtually unopposed save for the courts. Autocracy/Theocracy here we come (oh joy!)
At most I have about 3-5 glasses of champagne or wine per year so am really not qualified to comment on alcoholic beverages.
At most I have about 3-5 glasses of champagne or wine per year so am really not qualified to comment on alcoholic beverages.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
as I mentioned - USA company stole Budweiser name
from Czechs. And nothing happened.
If some company from Brno called itself Coca-Cola
there would be immediate US reaction, of course
president wouldn't order to "Nuke" Prague, well...
except if he is from Texas
but there would certainly be not-so-subtle pressure on Czech Republic,
for instance throwing out of WTO and propably more
from Czechs. And nothing happened.
If some company from Brno called itself Coca-Cola
there would be immediate US reaction, of course
president wouldn't order to "Nuke" Prague, well...
except if he is from Texas
but there would certainly be not-so-subtle pressure on Czech Republic,
for instance throwing out of WTO and propably more
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Oh come now LBSteve! A change of party "Scary"? What's with this "extreme right" buisness? Is there no "extreme left"? Uh huh...didn't think so. Thomas Sowell made a most salient point (one of about a gazzillion) in his book 'The Vision of the Annointed': One of the most used debating tactics in the book of dirty political manuevering is to discredit a philosophy's argument by tethering it to it's most extreme proponents. Since reading that book I've seen profuse examples. A good book by the way, though not an easy read--you really must internalize and apply everything that's said--very deep stuff.
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I don't trust someone who couldn't make money from oil in Texas, especially with his old man's connections...not that I'm a big supporter of Al Gore.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
NKP S2-- easy for you to say.. you’re not gay and don't have the burden of right-wing nutcases like Laura S. nipping at your heals calling you “deviant” or "biological error(s)".
It's a fact that the some extreme religious right-wingers are calling for our extermination, now tell me.. do you get that from the left??
It's a fact that the some extreme religious right-wingers are calling for our extermination, now tell me.. do you get that from the left??
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
No, I get from the left the constant drumbeat that we who support the 2nd amendment of the bill of rights "have the blood of innocent children on our hands" and other somesuch rhetoric. I get from the left that I'm being greedy and heartless because I'd like to keep more of my earnings and vote to lower the tax bite. I get from the left that I am destroying the planet because I'll not allow a leftist beaurocracy limit US commerce in deference to "global warming". (funny how they have no problem with socialist,totalitarian nations spewing gook into the air). No, I'm not a single issue "litmus test" kind of person and I hate no one or no group...Unless they try to restrict my rights or rewrite the US Constitution. Religion does not enter the equation there, though there ARE that frame issues in that context.
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hey NKP S2
yeah everybody should be allowed to carry AK-47 under his coat
you will change your mind when you or someone you know
bits the bullet when some "damn nigger" as WASPs (white anglo-saxon protestants) used (and many of them still use) to call black people
oh sorry, I forgot, you now call black people Afroamericans
and don't you think about anything but money
if you continue to poison the Earth there won't be any
planet to spend your money on
and I wasn't reffering to you personaly but just commenting your statements and applying them to
some parts of US population
yeah everybody should be allowed to carry AK-47 under his coat
you will change your mind when you or someone you know
bits the bullet when some "damn nigger" as WASPs (white anglo-saxon protestants) used (and many of them still use) to call black people
oh sorry, I forgot, you now call black people Afroamericans
and don't you think about anything but money
if you continue to poison the Earth there won't be any
planet to spend your money on
and I wasn't reffering to you personaly but just commenting your statements and applying them to
some parts of US population
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Ah yes, a perfect example of the tactic outlined in 'The Vision of the Annointed' that I referred to a few posts back. So we're racist murderers now eh? You really don't have a clue do you? I'm sure you didn't form your opinion of the US from the available media in Croatia did you? (or the available media in the US for that matter!) Rant on. The world can find another sugar daddy. For the record, I'm absolutely opposed to the US interventionist foreign policy. I'm sure the knee jerk reponse will be to label me an "isolationist" that "wants to build a wall around the US". Nationalist sovereignty...aint it grand! Long live it. Good day.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Don't you just love all of these bashers of the good ole USA. When times are good, we have nothing to do but sit around and bash america, but when there is a problem somewhere around the world everybody sit's back and lets the good ole USA send it's money or young boys to take care of it.who knows, when we are done bombing the island off puerto rico maybe we can use canada next. just a thought. ay. YANKEE DOODLE
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Amen Yankee-Doodle! You're so right.
Why is it exactly that there are two great evils in this world it appears - the US and the UK.
If it isn't the US' fault (which it usually is, so everyone keeps telling me) then it is the UK's fault.
Stop bashing the country that you will expect to come to your aid in the next great conflict! We don't go around bashing Germany or Japan or France. Why do you do it to us?
I'm sorry - I am happy to live in the United States. In my opinion, it is far and away the greatest country on earth.
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Why is it exactly that there are two great evils in this world it appears - the US and the UK.
If it isn't the US' fault (which it usually is, so everyone keeps telling me) then it is the UK's fault.
Stop bashing the country that you will expect to come to your aid in the next great conflict! We don't go around bashing Germany or Japan or France. Why do you do it to us?
I'm sorry - I am happy to live in the United States. In my opinion, it is far and away the greatest country on earth.
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I posted this on a forum in a country other than my own, it’s bound to offend many of my compatriots but frankly this is how I feel (hope you can understand my being a tad disgusted here hence I used the big broad paint brush approach).
Brace yourself:
(Question to me) “why are you concerned about the Republicans winning? If they are what you say who will vote for them? It still takes a majority doesn't it? If the Democrats are so good then they will be re-elecred....Right??"
My reply:
(persons name deleted), in a nutshell the antebellum southern attitude is very much with us despite 100+ yrs since confederacy was defeated. President Nixon ran an effective campaign in the 60/70s known as the ‘southern strategy’ whose purpose was to galvanize the large white southern voting block via divisive politics. Many were furious having been forced to integrate blacks only just recently.
This is overly summed up for history but you get the general idea. Hence today we see Sen. Jesse Helms and various other senior ranking republicans in key positions of influence. They are frankly paranoid racist lunatics who are widely opposed to abortion, gay rights, and a great deal more, and being extreme right-wing religious Baptists who see the UN as evil and anything even slightly socialistic as akin to communism. They are the people who pursued the impeachment scandal and continue to hold payment on UN dues over trivial matters such as family planning.
Sorry for that probably boring (very off topic) diatribe, but I hope it's more insightful than answering your questions point by point?
BTW-very few people actually vote in America. Ignorance is bliss. :-(
Brace yourself:
(Question to me) “why are you concerned about the Republicans winning? If they are what you say who will vote for them? It still takes a majority doesn't it? If the Democrats are so good then they will be re-elecred....Right??"
My reply:
(persons name deleted), in a nutshell the antebellum southern attitude is very much with us despite 100+ yrs since confederacy was defeated. President Nixon ran an effective campaign in the 60/70s known as the ‘southern strategy’ whose purpose was to galvanize the large white southern voting block via divisive politics. Many were furious having been forced to integrate blacks only just recently.
This is overly summed up for history but you get the general idea. Hence today we see Sen. Jesse Helms and various other senior ranking republicans in key positions of influence. They are frankly paranoid racist lunatics who are widely opposed to abortion, gay rights, and a great deal more, and being extreme right-wing religious Baptists who see the UN as evil and anything even slightly socialistic as akin to communism. They are the people who pursued the impeachment scandal and continue to hold payment on UN dues over trivial matters such as family planning.
Sorry for that probably boring (very off topic) diatribe, but I hope it's more insightful than answering your questions point by point?
BTW-very few people actually vote in America. Ignorance is bliss. :-(
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LBSteve:
You are making a SWEEPING generalization!! I actually really resent what you wrote there, as I am a) a Southerner, b) a Baptist, and c) a Republican.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but do you live in the South? See, I do, and I can tell you that they are not half as bad as you are trying to make out. They are good, decent people with good, religious values.
"Paranoid, racist lunatics who are widely opposed to abortion, gay rights and a great deal more"... Thank you. I do so like being told that I am a bigot. I can assure you that I am not, and, in all reality, nor are most Southerners. I live in the heart of the Deep South, I should know.
I call myself a Confederate - I do not condone slavery in any way, shape or form. I resent the implication that if we are from the South, vote Republican and are religious, then God forbid we must be further to the right than Hitler.
And, for what it's worth, if we did receed into our own world (something we are perfectly capable of surviving) then the rest of the world may decend into Chaos. No one else has the guts to stand up to the left-wing (and right-wing) tyranny that exists in this world. You may bash us while we're here. But you'd miss us if we went.
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You are making a SWEEPING generalization!! I actually really resent what you wrote there, as I am a) a Southerner, b) a Baptist, and c) a Republican.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but do you live in the South? See, I do, and I can tell you that they are not half as bad as you are trying to make out. They are good, decent people with good, religious values.
"Paranoid, racist lunatics who are widely opposed to abortion, gay rights and a great deal more"... Thank you. I do so like being told that I am a bigot. I can assure you that I am not, and, in all reality, nor are most Southerners. I live in the heart of the Deep South, I should know.
I call myself a Confederate - I do not condone slavery in any way, shape or form. I resent the implication that if we are from the South, vote Republican and are religious, then God forbid we must be further to the right than Hitler.
And, for what it's worth, if we did receed into our own world (something we are perfectly capable of surviving) then the rest of the world may decend into Chaos. No one else has the guts to stand up to the left-wing (and right-wing) tyranny that exists in this world. You may bash us while we're here. But you'd miss us if we went.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Just to clarify, the last paragraph of my last post refers to the entire United States, not just the South.
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
My opinion about racial unjustice and separation
comes from two sources - 1.) numerous US produced movies
2.) my observations while I visited USA,
I had good experience with US black people,
when I asked for a way or any other help they were very kind
but also I noticed that on low paid and rank jobs
there are mostly "ethnic" people, not WASPs,
(cab drivers, fast food rest. personell, dustman etc.)
of course there are exceptions
and another Pentagon bullshit - now about nuclear disarmament -
some "bright" army experts said that if USA had less
than 1500 nuclear warheads it would threaten the national security
and they make problem when Cuba or N. Korea want to build one or two of them,
comes from two sources - 1.) numerous US produced movies
2.) my observations while I visited USA,
I had good experience with US black people,
when I asked for a way or any other help they were very kind
but also I noticed that on low paid and rank jobs
there are mostly "ethnic" people, not WASPs,
(cab drivers, fast food rest. personell, dustman etc.)
of course there are exceptions
and another Pentagon bullshit - now about nuclear disarmament -
some "bright" army experts said that if USA had less
than 1500 nuclear warheads it would threaten the national security
and they make problem when Cuba or N. Korea want to build one or two of them,
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RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
"Paranoid, racist lunatics who are widely opposed to abortion, gay rights and a great deal more"...
I most specifically directed that sentence to those senior politicians that I mentioned. I just don’t get it, how can anyone elect such a well known.. you know? Jesse Helms wields an enormous influence, he has made horribly unwarranted statements towards the UN and has withheld desperately needed funds which we are obliged to pay regardless thus further condemning the sick and destitute. Does he not realize that some people will die if not for UN aide? The man sang ‘Dixie’ to his black female colleague in the elevator for please sake. The man has got to go.
I most specifically directed that sentence to those senior politicians that I mentioned. I just don’t get it, how can anyone elect such a well known.. you know? Jesse Helms wields an enormous influence, he has made horribly unwarranted statements towards the UN and has withheld desperately needed funds which we are obliged to pay regardless thus further condemning the sick and destitute. Does he not realize that some people will die if not for UN aide? The man sang ‘Dixie’ to his black female colleague in the elevator for please sake. The man has got to go.
RE: Why Is The US So Two-faced?
Do you not expect there to be blunders in foreign policy????? Of course we messed up here and there, but that's normal with every risk-taking venture. It like that saying something along the line of "you gain nothing by taking no risks". Let me say that atleast we tried or can do something, most of the EU countries can't wipe an a$$ their so powerless. Before you call us two-faced, maybe you need to take a look at your own countries and decide if you really did anything about anything lately.
Let me say to the other fellow Americans out there...Why are a few of you so quick to denounce many of your own countires actions? Some of you fall to the beliefs that we just involve ourselves for no reason. All in all, our policies have worked out in the end. Take a look at history in broad.
Let me say to the other fellow Americans out there...Why are a few of you so quick to denounce many of your own countires actions? Some of you fall to the beliefs that we just involve ourselves for no reason. All in all, our policies have worked out in the end. Take a look at history in broad.
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