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Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:55 am

Well this doesn't happen very often...

F-16 destroyed in Florennes Air Base, Belgium after a gunsmith accidentally fired on the fighter jet

An F-16 aircraft has been completely destroyed after exploding at a Belgian military base, according to the country’s Air Force. Two people have reportedly been injured, and a second plane was damaged.

“A fire was declared during maintenance work on an F-16” in Florennes, the Air Force wrote on Twitter, adding that the plane was completely burned. “A second plane suffered collateral damage.”

Two technicians who were performing maintenance on the plane when the explosion occurred were injured. They are suffering from hearing problems following the blast, SudInfo reported.

The incident happened at around 2:10pm local time on Thursday.

It is a human error that caused the incident. An unfortunate gesture of a gunsmith working on an aircraft. The bullets hit two aircraft of the same type placed in his line of sight.

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-f-16-de ... ghter-jet/

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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:12 am

Another article on the incident.

The commander of the Florennes base, Colonel Didier Polomé, has returned urgently from the Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania. He supervised the participation of the Belgian F16 in the NATO air policing mission called "Baltic Air Policing". He explains his incomprehension: "Arriving here, I still tell myself that it is not possible, an accident like this one is almost impossible ... It is certainly a series of small circumstances which, accumulating to this error, it is rarely the fault of a person who made a wrong decision. A two-part investigation is ongoing.Mainly an aviation safety team specialized in accident of aircraft that will check several aspects, including the technical aspect of this incident: was there any failure of the equipment?There is then the legal aspect that will analyze possible human faults and analyze the problem, if fault there was, whether the error was intentional or not. "

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detai ... d=10043888

Is it too early to ask when the last time was the Belgian Air Force destroyed another aircraft via a guns kill and even more interesting how many non aircrew anywhere have a guns kill to their name...?
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:46 am

Normally, the weight on wheels sensors should disable weapons on the F-16; this can be bypassed if the circuit breakers for the sensors are flipped or bypassed by jamming a screwdriver in the switches. The other way of bypassing is to put the aircraft up on jacks so the aircraft thinks it's flying.

If the armourers were working on the weapons or the firing circuits, a pull of the trigger will cause the gun to go off if the sensors were disabled, and master arm is activated.

Personally, my guess is on some sort of human error based upon what's needed to bypass the interlocks in the aircraft. It's really rare for all of the safety systems to fail all at once, unless they were deliberately bypassed.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:14 am

Ozair wrote:
Another article on the incident.

The commander of the Florennes base, Colonel Didier Polomé, has returned urgently from the Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania. He supervised the participation of the Belgian F16 in the NATO air policing mission called "Baltic Air Policing". He explains his incomprehension: "Arriving here, I still tell myself that it is not possible, an accident like this one is almost impossible ... It is certainly a series of small circumstances which, accumulating to this error, it is rarely the fault of a person who made a wrong decision. A two-part investigation is ongoing.Mainly an aviation safety team specialized in accident of aircraft that will check several aspects, including the technical aspect of this incident: was there any failure of the equipment?There is then the legal aspect that will analyze possible human faults and analyze the problem, if fault there was, whether the error was intentional or not. "

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detai ... d=10043888

Is it too early to ask when the last time was the Belgian Air Force destroyed another aircraft via a guns kill and even more interesting how many non aircrew anywhere have a guns kill to their name...?

Re the latter: Probably a lot actually, considering the heavy use of anti-air cannons in the many conflicts since aircraft were invented. The majority of losses in Vietnam were to AAA, for example.
Now, gun kills using aircraft-mounted guns are probably a lot fewer.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:57 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Another article on the incident.

The commander of the Florennes base, Colonel Didier Polomé, has returned urgently from the Siauliai Air Base in Lithuania. He supervised the participation of the Belgian F16 in the NATO air policing mission called "Baltic Air Policing". He explains his incomprehension: "Arriving here, I still tell myself that it is not possible, an accident like this one is almost impossible ... It is certainly a series of small circumstances which, accumulating to this error, it is rarely the fault of a person who made a wrong decision. A two-part investigation is ongoing.Mainly an aviation safety team specialized in accident of aircraft that will check several aspects, including the technical aspect of this incident: was there any failure of the equipment?There is then the legal aspect that will analyze possible human faults and analyze the problem, if fault there was, whether the error was intentional or not. "

https://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detai ... d=10043888

Is it too early to ask when the last time was the Belgian Air Force destroyed another aircraft via a guns kill and even more interesting how many non aircrew anywhere have a guns kill to their name...?

Re the latter: Probably a lot actually, considering the heavy use of anti-air cannons in the many conflicts since aircraft were invented. The majority of losses in Vietnam were to AAA, for example.
Now, gun kills using aircraft-mounted guns are probably a lot fewer.

Ha probably wasn't clear, yes aircraft mounted is what I was referencing.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:10 pm

They'll just take it out of his pay at 10 Euros a month.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:07 am

Wow.

Reminds me of that time an aircraft mechanic accidentally flew a Lightning...

http://www.historicracer.com/aviation/a ... ter-pilot/


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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:37 am

Does the mech get to put a kill sticker on the side of his toolbox?
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:42 am

Four more could give the term "Ace mechanic" a whole new meaning.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:09 am

I believe there are some tests of the arming circuitry that require "fooling" the interlocks.

However, it looks like someone forgot the four rules...
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:44 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
Does the mech get to put a kill sticker on the side of his toolbox?

Beat me to it. haha

Better than I was thinking, too. I was trying to think where he'd put the silhouette.
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:28 pm

Something similar to this happened on the USS Nimitz back in 1988. Two ordinance men were tasked with spinning the gun on an A-7 Corsair. SOP called for the gun to be downloaded of all ammo. However it had become practice to keep the ammo on board and have a clamp hold back the firing pin. Unfortunately while in the process of spinning it the clamp backed off. Three rounds were fired into a KA-6 which caught fire resulting in the death of two sailors.
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:54 pm

Don't forget the misfire that killed 134 sailors in 67.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:04 pm

I was curious what the 1967 incident was, and searched for it. Here's the link for others' benefit as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:12 pm

Nomadd wrote:
Don't forget the misfire that killed 134 sailors in 67.


That was a misfire combined with unstable WWII era ordinance. Along with the cramped confines of a flight deck getting ready for an alpha strike.
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:57 pm

It was a standard firefighting film for decades. Mostly everything not to do. Those guys had balls the size of cantalopes, but fighting fuel/explosives fed fires wasn't their skillset.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:30 pm

[quote="gunsontheroof"]Does the mech get to put a kill sticker on the side of his toolbox?[/quote

After this it will go on his form for when he leaves the airforce or, put it on the back of his overalls for when he has to sweep the hangers. Thus everyone can stay clear of him, just in case his broom handle is loaded.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:28 pm

bombayduck wrote:

After this it will go on his form for when he leaves the airforce or, put it on the back of his overalls for when he has to sweep the hangers. Thus everyone can stay clear of him, just in case his broom handle is loaded.


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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:14 am

Nomadd wrote:
It was a standard firefighting film for decades. Mostly everything not to do. Those guys had balls the size of cantalopes, but fighting fuel/explosives fed fires wasn't their skillset.


Yes, but.... the original firefighting crew mostly died in the first explosion. From then on, the efforts were by untrained people, and, e.g., washed foam off with seawater. Since then every sailor apparently gets training in firefighting.
 
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Re: Belgian Gunsmith destroys an F-16

Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:46 am

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Yes, but.... the original firefighting crew mostly died in the first explosion. From then on, the efforts were by untrained people, and, e.g., washed foam off with seawater. Since then every sailor apparently gets training in firefighting.


There were so many factors and failures at work there.

One was that the firefighters were told that the bombs could survive a kerosene fire for about 10 minutes. It applied to the later ordnance, not to the WW2 actually munition involved.


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