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Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:26 pm

Wow, really bad- that will take a long time to clean up and rebuild:

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/tyndall ... e-1.551072
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:25 am

These tropical storms are only going to get stronger and more frequent. It might be time for the US military to reconsider the financial viability of building non-hardened facilities in the region.
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:25 pm

Francoflier wrote:
These tropical storms are only going to get stronger and more frequent. It might be time for the US military to reconsider the financial viability of building non-hardened facilities in the region.


I was thinking the same thing, after hurricane Andrew Homestead AFB closed, are turned into a reserve unit. There are a lot of basses in the pan handle of Florida:

Eglin AFB, Tyndall AFB, Hurlburt field, Pensacola NAS.

Then there are other Florida facilities like Patrick AFB, Macdill AFB that are also right on the water. Since the cold war ended a lot of realignment of military bases have favored the South, particularly the Southeast because of the low cost of living and political support. They should really try to prevent any more movement towards the region for just this reason.
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:35 pm

This will take years to recover. I spent a short time at Keesler AFB in 2007, about a year after Hurricane Katrina came through. They were still repairing and rebuilding after a year, with some buildings exhibiting constant water intrusion, collapsing ceilings, etc. The community around Keesler was still devastated, although the casinos had been rebuilt already.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:53 pm

The Air Force could avoid these types of issues if they would just nuke the hurricanes before they reached shore. Nuclear fallout is a small price to pay to protect our country's shores.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:03 pm

Rumors going around about damage to F-22s. Any word on that?
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:29 pm

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your ... hurricane/

Airforce times indicate 4 F22's damaged that were unflyable.

Meanwhile a squadron of A-10 Warthogs inadvertently vectored to Tyndall during the height of the storm indicate no issues :silly:

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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:29 am

Okie wrote:
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/12/f-22s-qf-16-likely-damaged-after-tyndall-hangars-hit-by-hurricane/

Airforce times indicate 4 F22's damaged that were unflyable.

Meanwhile a squadron of A-10 Warthogs inadvertently vectored to Tyndall during the height of the storm indicate no issues :silly:

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They actually report that the jets "may have been damaged"...
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:37 am

Glad everyone is ok. Let's pick up the pieces, get the base back operational and begin repairing any F-22s. Lord knows we only have 180+.
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:26 am

Does the DoD even keep the base open, based on however much it will cost to rebuild?

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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:32 am

My first duty station as a brand new 2nd Lt many years ago but have not been there in well over 15 years. A friend still stationed there tells me the rumour he is hearing is that two are completely gone based on damages, but big grain of salt with that right now.
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:39 pm

The news for Tyndall is going from bad to worse... Looks like more than two F-22s have been damaged and amazingly twelve were left at the base to weather the storm. Numerous QF-16s have likely been damaged or potentially written off and there might be other additional aircraft that have to be repaired.

Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly Damaged Beyond Repair

More than a dozen F-22s were left behind as Hurricane Michael bore down on the base Oct. 10. Now, in Michael's wake, many of those are damaged, and some beyond repair, at a cost of more than $1 billion, Air Force officials said.

Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein canceled Friday afternoon meetings and was preparing to fly to Tyndall to personally assess damage to the base and the aircraft. Air Combat Command chief Gen. James “Mike” Holmes was also preparing to visit Tyndall.

The F-22s left behind could not fly for either mechanical or safety reasons, said a spokeswoman, who also said all the hangars on base were damaged. Aerial video showed roofs and siding torn apart by savage winds and some hangars suffered severe structural damage.

“We anticipate the aircraft parked inside may be damaged as well, but we won't know the extent until our crews can safely enter those hangars and make an assessment,” the spokeswoman said.

The loss is significant but not devastating. “The Air Force remains capable of executing its combat mission across the world with aircraft from other bases, as well as those that were evacuated from Tyndall in advance of the hurricane,” she said.

The storm caused “catastrophic damage” across Tyndall, with all buildings from the flight line and beyond damaged, and all base housing rendered unfit for occupancy. Wing Commander Col. Brian Laidlaw said in a statement Friday the base was “better than yesterday, and that is how it is going to continue to be. We will continue to persevere.” He called on airmen who had fled the base to go to their nearest military installation for medical help.

Air Force Personnel Centers at bases across the country have volunteered to assist as possible.

Holmes said in a Friday video statement that many airmen in the area don’t have electricity or phone service, and so information needs to be delivered by word of mouth.

“To the airmen out there affected by the hurricane, please be safe, look after your families, look after each other, and know that we’re working as hard as we can to return Tyndall to normal ops,” he said.

USAF aircraft and units from across the country immediately responded to begin Tyndall’s long road to recovery. The 23rd Special Tactics Squadron from nearby Hurlburt Field arrived at Tyndall on Thursday afternoon to clear and establish the runway at 7 p.m., with the first aircraft arriving six minutes later, according to the Air Force.

US Transportation Command’s Joint Communications Support Element from MacDill AFB, Fla., and the Florida Air National Guard’s 290th Joint Communications Support Squadron deployed to restore communication. C-17s from Travis AFB, Calif., and JB Lewis-McChord, Wash., were among the first aircraft in to carry supplies and support search and rescue, according to Air Mobility Command. The 621st Contingency Response Group from Travis responded to help evaluate the flight line and stand up operations.

The 822d Base Defense Squadron at Moody AFB, Ga., deployed on Thursday to help provide security to the damaged base. The Georgia Air National Guard’s 116th Air Control Wing deployed 23 airmen to help clear roadways impacted by the storm in South Georgia.

At Tyndall, one F-22 could be seen in aerial footage taken the morning after the storm struck. The empennage of the airplane was visible through the missing roof of a hangar where at least five QF-16 target drones and several propeller-driven aircraft had also been sheltered. One of the QF-16s appeared to be resting on top of another, and three more were apparently pushed together by wind or water. The F-22 was surrounded by debris.

A still photograph of another damaged hangar, circulating on the internet, showed an apparently intact F-22 within.

A Facebook page called “Air Force Forum” carried a message from someone identifying themselves as a member of the 43rd Fighter Squadron. “Four 43d F-22s were left behind to ride out the hurricane,” the anonymous poster wrote. “One of them was scheduled to leave but GABed [ground aborted] after an issue prior to taxi. The other three were jets that couldn't be spun up in time to fly.” Two had been cannibalized for parts, he said, and the others had “issues that couldn't be fixed. They were in hangars that [they] are usually put in according to hurricane plans.”

The poster said off-duty maintenance crews were recalled to duty “on Monday afternoon to spin up as many jets as they could to fly, with the last ones launched on Tuesday morning.”

The F-22 is the Air Force’s most valuable fighter and the one in shortest supply. Only 187 were built before the program was terminated in 2010 by then-Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, at roughly half the fleet size needed to meet regional commander requirements. Depending on the estimating method used, F-22s were priced at $120 million to $300 million each, depending on whether research and development expenses are included. The Tyndall damage could mean a loss of $1-$3 billion for aircraft alone.

The 43rd is the Air Force’s F-22 training unit and a full-up operational squadron of F-22s — the 95th — is also based at Tyndall. The 43rd’s aircraft are of an early block of F-22s and do not have all the most up-to-date avionics and gear that other Raptor units have. Holmes has said that bringing the training F-22s up to the fully operational configuration is on Air Combat Command’s “wish list,” but is behind other priorities.

Lockheed Martin, which built the F-22, has campaigned to get the Air Force to upgrade the training jets, which would allow the fleet to be shuffled around the country. Tyndall’s jets are subjected to high heat, humidity and salt water air from the ocean, while other locations aren’t as hard on the equipment.

Tyndall is the Air Force’s “schoolhouse,” where it teaches new F-22 pilots to fly the stealth fighter jet, and its complement is typically about 60 training aircraft. The service reported that it had evacuated its Tyndall F-22s to Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio.

Gates terminated production of the F-22 in 2010, believing the jet was an expensive irrelevancy in a post-Cold War world in which the US was fighting counterinsurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq. Gates argued that China and Russia would not field 5th-generation jets like the F-22 until the early 2020s.

But China’s first J-20 stealth fighter unit went operational last year and Russia has said it will declare its Su-57 stealth fighters operational this year.

A RAND study in 2011 found that restarting F-22 production after just three years could produce 75 airplanes at a unit cost of $266 million each, and with nonrecurring costs of just $350 million. However, those costs presumed re-hiring some recently-skilled workers and using vendors who had recently made parts.

In early 2017, the Air Force studied the issue again, determining it would cost nearly $10 billion to restore and re-certify the tooling, hire workers and buy 194 airplanes - and it would take seven years to take delivery of the first jets at a unit cost between $206 and $216 million.

Lockheed Martin has in recent months talked with potential foreign buyers about buying an F-22/F-35 hybrid that would have the aerodynamic capabilities of the F-22 but the ground attack and situational awareness capabilities of the F-35. Japan was seen as a potential customer for this aircraft, but Lockheed would need permission from the US government to market that aircraft overseas. Export of the F-22 was expressly forbidden by Congress, due to security concerns.

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pag ... epair.aspx

Tyndall AFB leveled by Hurricane Michael as most other installations avoid major damage


Tyndall Air Force Base sustained “catastrophic’’ damage as Hurricane Michael struck the Florida installation head on, destroying buildings and potentially leaving the post vacant for weeks, Air Force officials said Thursday.

The Category 4 storm, the strongest to ever hit the Florida Panhandle, tore roofing from aircraft hangars and mangled buildings at Tyndall, located just outside Panama City, Fla., according to Air Force officials who reported “widespread catastrophic damage” primarily from winds that exceeded 150 mph.

Hurricane Michael, downgraded to a tropical storm Thursday as it raced into the Carolinas, was blamed for at least two deaths after it left a trail of devastation across north Florida and Georgia. Other military installations in its path seemed to have been spared major devastation, according to several defense officials.

“Team Tyndall, our base took a beating … by now you already know that Tyndall Air Force Base requires extensive cleanup and repairs,” Col. Brian Laidlaw, the 325th Fighter Wing’s commander, said in a message posted Thursday evening to the installation's Facebook page. “I will not recall you and your families until we can guarantee your safety. At this time I can’t tell you how long that will take, but I’m on it. I know this is important to you.”

An aerial assessment revealed that “all base houses sustained significant roof and siding damage. Some houses sustained more significant structural failures” and some dorms were severely damaged,” according to a separate Tyndall Facebook post.

The flight line is devastated, the message said. “Every building has severe damage. Many buildings are a complete loss.”

Other areas that sustained “severe” or “catastrophic” damage include Tyndall Elementary School; the BX and commissary; the two shoppettes; the drone runway; and the Tyndall marina, which was “completely destroyed,” missing all structures and docks.

“Trees and power lines block every road,” the message said. “At this time, power and basic utilities remain out.”

As of Thursday, no injuries were reported on the base, which was under a mandatory evacuation order since Tuesday. All of the operational aircraft assigned to Tyndall were evacuated ahead of the storm to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, Carswell Field in Texas and Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

“At this point, Tyndall residents and evacuated personnel should remain at their safe location,” Laidlaw wrote in an earlier Facebook message. “We are actively developing plans to reunite families and plan to provide safe passage back to base housing.”

Meanwhile, the Florida National Guard began moving into impacted areas for rescue and clearance operations. Florida Gov. Rick Scott activated 2,500 National Guard troops ahead of the storm. In Georgia, 1,500 National Guard troops were activated to aid in response efforts.

Other military installations in the area were returning to normal operations or expecting to do so, while officials at bases in North Carolina continued to watch the storm’s path.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/tyndall ... e-1.551072
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:40 pm

double post.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:11 pm

Tyndall F-22's arrived at Langley today.
 
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Tyndall Jets Arrive at Langley

Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:05 pm

 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:58 pm

checksixx wrote:
Tyndall F-22's arrived at Langley today.

how many?
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:11 pm

angad84 wrote:
checksixx wrote:
Tyndall F-22's arrived at Langley today.

how many?

Not sure how many but the F-22s now at Langley didn't fly direct from Tyndall, these are the aircraft that evacuated before the hurricane.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:13 am

angad84 wrote:
checksixx wrote:
Tyndall F-22's arrived at Langley today.

how many?


Unknown at this time.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:14 am

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Not sure how many but the F-22s now at Langley didn't fly direct from Tyndall, these are the aircraft that evacuated before the hurricane.


Obviously...was there any question about that????
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:28 am

Only some of the Tyndall jets are even visible. There are more there...

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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:31 am

Some images of an F-22 inside one of the Tyndall hangers has been posted online. It might be a trick of the image but it appears that the aircraft is not sitting correctly although it is hard to make out any specific damage to the airframe with the jet being covered in debris.

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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:23 pm

The top picture was with a very wide angle lens, there is a lot of 'fish eye' in the hanger too. It would be hard to bend the landing gear without something crushing the top side of the wing.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:50 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
The top picture was with a very wide angle lens, there is a lot of 'fish eye' in the hanger too. It would be hard to bend the landing gear without something crushing the top side of the wing.

I will also note that the top picture is a different plane then in the other two. The tail number while unclear is different.

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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:29 am

Tugger wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
The top picture was with a very wide angle lens, there is a lot of 'fish eye' in the hanger too. It would be hard to bend the landing gear without something crushing the top side of the wing.

I will also note that the top picture is a different plane then in the other two. The tail number while unclear is different.

Tugg


Under close inspection, the lower two pictures are in a different hanger from the 1st, the hanger doors have windows not visible in the top photo. I am surprised that the roof in both of these hangers is less damaged than I expected.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:22 am

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The Air Force could avoid these types of issues if they would just nuke the hurricanes before they reached shore. Nuclear fallout is a small price to pay to protect our country's shores.


Wait for Trump's next programmatic workout TWIT. .-)
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:11 pm

DigitalSea wrote:
The Air Force could avoid these types of issues if they would just nuke the hurricanes before they reached shore. Nuclear fallout is a small price to pay to protect our country's shores.


Seriously underestimates the energy involved with a hurricane while simultaneously overestimating the energy of a nuke or hydrogen bomb.

I don’t think the hurricane would even notice....
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:47 pm

looking at the sweepers boots etc, I'm wondering about damage to those exotic radar absorbing paints...
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:49 pm

That first picture, I think the F-22 is under the un-damaged (or at least lesser damaged) roof portion ... extreme left part of the image is where the roof was peeled off; you can see the gap in that 1st roof truss.

There was clearly massive winds inside there, as evidenced by the completely mangled Big-Ass-Fan
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:26 pm

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looking at the sweepers boots etc, I'm wondering about damage to those exotic radar absorbing paints...


Looking at that big uncoated panel near the cockpit, I'd wonder if 031 isn't a ground instructional airframe. Doubt RAM is a huge concern on her
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:26 am

Some F-22s have now left Tyndall with the damage not as bad as first thought. According to the article as many as 17 may have been left to ride out the storm.

Here Are The Photos Of The Surviving F-22s Being Flown Out Of Tyndall following the aftermath of Hurricane Michael

Tyndall Air Force Base was heavily damaged earlier this month after the Category 4 storm tore through the base. As Hurricane Michael approached the base, mission capable F-22s assigned to the 325th Fighter Wing were “Hurrevaced” to Wright-Patterson AFB (and later relocated to Joint Base Langley-Eustis). According the data emerged thus far, at that time 31 percent of 55 Raptors assigned to the unit were NMC (non-mission capable) and could not be moved away. So they were sheltered in place and consequently damaged: photos of F-22s and QF-16s in Tyndall’s shredded hangars have already made the news after they started circulating social media.

After the first assessment the Air Force’s top leaders said the F-22s that had remained in Tyndall when Hurricane Michael struck were not as badly damaged as originally feared. According to the first reports, as many as 17 aircraft were possibly damaged by Michael. The Air Force has not disclosed yet how many Raptors were exactly damaged and the extent of such damages but the more recent figures point to 10 to 14 Raptors.

“Some F-22s that sustained minor damages will be moved to Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, early next week to join F-22s that were previously moved there,” Military.com’s Oriana Pawlyk reported today. However, photographs released by the DoD in the last few hours show Raptors being flown out of Tyndall by pilots from the 27th Fighter Wing, Joint Base Langly-Eustis, Virginia, on Oct. 21 and 22.



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Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:44 am

The west ramp at Langley is now full of Raptor's.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:34 pm

Spacepope wrote:
kanban wrote:
looking at the sweepers boots etc, I'm wondering about damage to those exotic radar absorbing paints...


Looking at that big uncoated panel near the cockpit, I'd wonder if 031 isn't a ground instructional airframe. Doubt RAM is a huge concern on her


Yes, but not just for ground instruction. These are training aircraft that do not even have the latest mod's that front line F-22's have. Why do you need exotic radar absorbing paints for training flights? You only need the airframe to fly and handle correctly, you do not need stealth and the associated cost to maintain it on training flights.
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:09 am

First they say they only left unflyable aircraft there.

Then plenty are able to fly out after the storm.

Someone is lying.
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:29 pm

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First they say they only left unflyable aircraft there.

Then plenty are able to fly out after the storm.

Someone is lying.

The storm was two weeks ago. In that time, I'm sure they were able to get some aircraft prepped for flight which they weren't able to do in the hours before the hurricane hit.
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Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:48 pm

Moose135 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
First they say they only left unflyable aircraft there.

Then plenty are able to fly out after the storm.

Someone is lying.

The storm was two weeks ago. In that time, I'm sure they were able to get some aircraft prepped for flight which they weren't able to do in the hours before the hurricane hit.

The other thing you need are pilots certified to fly them. And its not like they'll fly back in as the storm is approaching.

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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:59 am

Aesma wrote:
First they say they only left unflyable aircraft there.

Then plenty are able to fly out after the storm.

Someone is lying.


Right...that MUST be it. LoL

Or, is it more probable that they may have gotten permission to fly out jets with minor issues for the flight to Langley?
 
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Re: Massive damage at Tyndall AFB

Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:05 pm

The collective bullet we, as a country, just dodged is not to be brushed off ...

That could have been a very, very, very expensive loss.

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