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zanl188 wrote:Russian crewed launch to ISS this morning suffered a booster failure. Nature of the failure unknown at the moment. Crew module is currently in a ballistic descent. Maybe 90 minutes before rescue forces are able to reach the crew.
zanl188 wrote:Russian crewed launch ...
returning to Earth via a ballistic descent, which is a sharper angle of landing compared to normal.
mxaxai wrote:Doesn't the Soyuz always do a ballistic descent? It doesn't have any lifting surfaces.
mxaxai wrote:From NASA twitter:returning to Earth via a ballistic descent, which is a sharper angle of landing compared to normal.
Doesn't the Soyuz always do a ballistic descent? It doesn't have any lifting surfaces.
Anyway very glad that the crew is well.
Noshow wrote:First the drilled leak now the booster issue. After years of reliable performance. Has anything changed over there?
ThePointblank wrote:This means Soyuz is going to be grounded for a while. No crewed launches for now to the ISS.
Also, it may also mean the ISS might need to be abandoned for a bit until the stand down has been resolved; the current Soyuz capsule has been up there since June, and the Soyuz spacecraft has a rated endurance of about 200 days; this means it needs to come back down in January 2019. So, unless the stand down is resolved for MS-11's launch this December, the current ISS crew will need to return to Earth with the MS-09 capsule this January.
Not very good options moving forward if the stand down lasts for a while; either NASA and SpaceX needs to get the ball rolling quickly and massively accelerate the crewed Dragon tests, or the ISS will need to be abandoned in January.
Nomadd wrote:ThePointblank wrote:This means Soyuz is going to be grounded for a while. No crewed launches for now to the ISS.
Also, it may also mean the ISS might need to be abandoned for a bit until the stand down has been resolved; the current Soyuz capsule has been up there since June, and the Soyuz spacecraft has a rated endurance of about 200 days; this means it needs to come back down in January 2019. So, unless the stand down is resolved for MS-11's launch this December, the current ISS crew will need to return to Earth with the MS-09 capsule this January.
Not very good options moving forward if the stand down lasts for a while; either NASA and SpaceX needs to get the ball rolling quickly and massively accelerate the crewed Dragon tests, or the ISS will need to be abandoned in January.
They can send an unmanned replacement Soyuz up.
notaxonrotax wrote:Interesting that they landed 250 miles away from the launch site, they were scrambling choppers to get there ASAP; yet there's decent footage of their emergency landing....in the middle of nowhere.
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ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:Noshow wrote:First the drilled leak now the booster issue. After years of reliable performance. Has anything changed over there?
Decades of coasting on past achievements. Now all that previous institutional knowledge and experience have retired and new blood is in with the current problems around corruption.
We've been starting to see this happen through previous issues with the uncrewed missions. We are now seeing it bleed over into the crewed components. A sad state of being for the history of the Russian space program.
WingsFan wrote:notaxonrotax wrote:Interesting that they landed 250 miles away from the launch site, they were scrambling choppers to get there ASAP; yet there's decent footage of their emergency landing....in the middle of nowhere.
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+1
I was wondering about that too. It took rescue teams 90 minutes to get to the downed crew, but the cameraman was ready and filming right at the moment of emergency landing.....weird.
WingsFan wrote:notaxonrotax wrote:Interesting that they landed 250 miles away from the launch site, they were scrambling choppers to get there ASAP; yet there's decent footage of their emergency landing....in the middle of nowhere.
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+1
I was wondering about that too. It took rescue teams 90 minutes to get to the downed crew, but the cameraman was ready and filming right at the moment of emergency landing.....weird.
Scorpius wrote:ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:Noshow wrote:First the drilled leak now the booster issue. After years of reliable performance. Has anything changed over there?
Decades of coasting on past achievements. Now all that previous institutional knowledge and experience have retired and new blood is in with the current problems around corruption.
We've been starting to see this happen through previous issues with the uncrewed missions. We are now seeing it bleed over into the crewed components. A sad state of being for the history of the Russian space program.
A meaningless statement. There is nothing in the space program that could work by inertia. The rockets that are launching now were built less than five years ago, as were the ships.
Well, the technique brings-up to this point, "Soyuz-FG" flew 65 launches without accident. The main thing is that the crew was not injured.
DarkKnight5 wrote:Nomadd wrote:ThePointblank wrote:This means Soyuz is going to be grounded for a while. No crewed launches for now to the ISS.
Also, it may also mean the ISS might need to be abandoned for a bit until the stand down has been resolved; the current Soyuz capsule has been up there since June, and the Soyuz spacecraft has a rated endurance of about 200 days; this means it needs to come back down in January 2019. So, unless the stand down is resolved for MS-11's launch 0this December, the current ISS crew will need to return to Earth with the MS-09 capsule this January.
Not very good options moving forward if the stand down lasts for a while; either NASA and SpaceX needs to get the ball rolling quickly and massively accelerate the crewed Dragon tests, or the ISS will need to be abandoned in January.
They can send an unmanned replacement Soyuz up.
Or an unmanned Crew Dragon.
Nomadd wrote:DarkKnight5 wrote:Nomadd wrote:They can send an unmanned replacement Soyuz up.
Or an unmanned Crew Dragon.
No such thing until it's certified. DM1 doesn't have life support, and DM2 won't be ready for months.
Nomadd wrote:DarkKnight5 wrote:Nomadd wrote:They can send an unmanned replacement Soyuz up.
Or an unmanned Crew Dragon.
No such thing until it's certified. DM1 doesn't have life support, and DM2 won't be ready for months.
A3801000 wrote:Passengers of the Soyuz returned in a Tu-134, not sure what's scarier, the aborted launch or the ride in this rust bucket:
https://twitter.com/roscosmos/status/10 ... 3309076481
Scorpius wrote:There is an option to solve the problem - the next launch of the manned "Soyuz" to be held at the end of December in unmanned mode. This would give the possibility to prolong the flight of the expedition to the ISS, and at the same time to meet the conditions of the at least one test run without a crew. Dmitry Rogozin said yesterday that the crew of Soyuz MS-10 will be sent to space-approximately re-launch will take place in the spring or summer of 2019.
tommy1808 wrote:WingsFan wrote:notaxonrotax wrote:Interesting that they landed 250 miles away from the launch site, they were scrambling choppers to get there ASAP; yet there's decent footage of their emergency landing....in the middle of nowhere.
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+1
I was wondering about that too. It took rescue teams 90 minutes to get to the downed crew, but the cameraman was ready and filming right at the moment of emergency landing.....weird.
I would think Tracking cameras along the flight path are not unusual, placing rescue helicopters alongside of them would seem rather odd.
Any camera placed to keep an eye one the boosters during decent had a good shot I would think.
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Thomas
tomcat wrote:tommy1808 wrote:WingsFan wrote:
+1
I was wondering about that too. It took rescue teams 90 minutes to get to the downed crew, but the cameraman was ready and filming right at the moment of emergency landing.....weird.
I would think Tracking cameras along the flight path are not unusual, placing rescue helicopters alongside of them would seem rather odd.
Any camera placed to keep an eye one the boosters during decent had a good shot I would think.
Best regards
Thomas
It may seem odd, but let's have a look at this presentation:
" The spacecraft reaches orbit less than nine minutes after the liftoff, however in case of emergency, the capsule with the crew could land as far as 5,000 kilometers downrange or even splash down into the Pacific Ocean. As a result, an armada of search and rescue aircraft is deployed at airfields along the ascent trajectory all the way to Vladivostok in the Russian Far East and at least one ship is on stand by in the Sea of Japan. A total of nine fixed-wing aircraft, 16 helicopters are supporting the launch."
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz_la ... NuITURmz58