Single and 2 seat, ‘about 230 frames.’ Pratt or GE. Hmmm....
“As for how many jets would be procured under an F-15X initiative, our sources close to the discussions say between 150 to 250 aircraft depending on what the USAF wants to do with its overall force structure. The most likely number is roughly 230 airframes to replace the F-15C/D force one a one-for-one basis. Procurement would likely start with eight aircraft, which could be delivered very soon, with roughly 18 to 24 procured each year after that. Oh, and there are two variants of the F-15X that are being offered by Boeing and will likely be procured. One is dubbed the F-15CX and the other is known as the F-15EX.”http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... m-per-copy
I don’t expect any two seaters other than conversion trainers. If the requirement is to replace the F-15C fleet in the air superiority role then those are purely single seat jets (with D models flown single seat if they need to). There is no two aircrew training pipeline for those jets and that would almost certainly increase costs significantly through manning and training. As I suggested earlier up the thread and the article confirmed, the use case is going to be purely air superiority, the cost only makes sense when aircrew transition over from an existing C/D jet.
I still find the cost claims crazy! To claim as the article suggests that the aircraft will cost less than an F-35 to acquire still seems bogus to me. We are talking less than US$80 mill now to compete with the F-35, that is less than the USN are buying new Super Hornets for and the F-15X is a bigger and more capable jet than that aircraft.
I am expecting Pratts as well for the buy. If the intent it so slip into existing units at minimal cost then that makes the most sense given these power existing F-15C/D aircraft.
The article touch into some of the intricacy Ozair was talking about with respect to training and how it impacts the fleet readiness and clearly described how buying more F-35 is not an option.
Makes sense now how they can make the claim on lower cost to bring the fleet in.
Can't wait to see how all this pan out.
Indeed, I find this one of the more interesting topics we have discussed here for a number of years and probably why there is six pages to the thread…
Still, the flying service's seemingly bold decision to face the damning fleet issues it is facing and look outside the F-35 procurement box for tactical jet solutions is bound to be met with controversy. Also, keep in mind that the USAF's F-15X wishes have to make it through the beltway intact to become a reality, and that's if they do emerge as expected in the fiscal year 2020 defense budget. As always, there is also another side to the story, one that is worth discussing in greater detail.
Now that we have more information about the F-15X in hand, we will look deeper into alternatives to it and address the question of if procuring it is really a good route for the USAF to take at this time.
As Tyler suggests in his last paragraphs of the article this isn’t a done deal yet, it will still need to survive congress although the more likely scenario is the F-15X is added and additional F-35s are added at the same time.
What are the alternatives? A bulk buy of F-16Vs instead of the F-15X could be an option but likely at not much less cost although likely cheaper long term sustainment. It is highly unlikely that the USAF could acquire a foreign aircraft for the money suggested. Given how much the USAF has spent upgrading the C/Ds over the last decade it is shame to waste that investment. Congress could fund the USAF to upgrade the XC/D fleet but now Boeing is sniffing the X sales I expect that upgrade talk has disappeared.