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A388 wrote:An awful crash and as others have said, I also can't imagine how it would feel to have 257 inside an IL76, seems to me like it's too many but please correct me on this. My condolences to the families and friends of the people lost in this tragic crash
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zrb2 wrote:My first thought was also, wow that plane seemed overloaded. Especially if those people had any luggage/cargo to bring along. I just can’t imagine
PW100 wrote:Probably totally urelated, but the (in)famous "Vodka Burner" video came to mind . . .
cat3appr50 wrote:May God comfort the families and loved ones of those who sadly lost their lives.
Based on the reported 257 passengers, typical passenger and baggage weights (and rough adjustments for military packs etc.), the reported route (DAAK to DAOF) to be flown and estimated cruise altitude, available online IL76 specification max. weight data, and calculated approximate total fuel required (no fuel tankering), IMO the takeoff weight should have been much below maximum takeoff weight.
http://www.newser.com/article/5c585d852860450b8509c2266f6aa33d/crash-kills-257-in-algerias-deadliest-aviation-disaster.htmlSeveral witnesses told Algerian TV network Ennahar they saw flames coming out of one of the planes' four engines just before it took off.
"The plane started to rise before falling," an unidentified man lying on what appeared to be a hospital bed told Ennahar TV. "The plane crashed on its wing first and caught fire."
AirlineCritic wrote:First, unreliable witness statements warning! We often get reports of "was on fire" and similar statements in early stages, only to find out that they were completely wrong or even that no such statements were ever made.
That being said, losing an engine + overweight or losing an engine + piloting mistake are potential accident sequences in case like this.
And the man on the hospital bed might be describing the effects of stall.
cat3appr50 wrote:May God comfort the families and loved ones of those who sadly lost their lives.
Based on the reported 257 passengers, typical passenger and baggage weights (and rough adjustments for military packs etc.), the reported route (DAAK to DAOF) to be flown and estimated cruise altitude, available online IL76 specification max. weight data, and calculated approximate total fuel required (no fuel tankering), IMO the takeoff weight should have been much below maximum takeoff weight.
350Ops wrote:I don't know if this is a fake video or not, or if I'm breaking the posting rules, but this is worth debating: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cateeee ... 546485558/
Gatorman96 wrote:350Ops wrote:I don't know if this is a fake video or not, or if I'm breaking the posting rules, but this is worth debating: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cateeee ... 546485558/
No debate. This was a National Air Cargo 747-400 that crashed right after takeoff in Bagram, Afghanistan in 2015. Cargo broke free and shifted aft, greatly affected CoG, causing a stall and subsequent crash.
tu204 wrote:You can fit 200+ people in an IL-76. Not fully equipped troops with gear, but it can be done.
Buddy of mine, ex-RuAF told me that each aircraft at its base had a container with a different cargo hold modification beside it. Wanna move wounded? No problem, open up the container and put the stretchers and what not into the hold.
Anyhow, he said there was some modification where a "second deck" would be put inside the cargo compartment. Basically divide it in two vertically.
Haven't seen it myself nor have I seen any photos.
Edit: He said it would fit 240 passengers in the "double decker option". So on the both levels you have people sitting sideways along the sides of the fusulage and also a central "bench" on both decks running the length of the fusulage.