Germany is looking for a replacement of the Sea Lynx:
Likely contenders for the requirement are:
the NH90,
the Leonardo Helicopters AW159 Wildcat
and the Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk.
The Sea Lynx is planned to be retired in 2025
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-446952/
My bet is the NH 90
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Updated: Germany choosing NH90 for Sea Lynx replacement
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Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
Sort of old news isn't it? The Sea Lion (naval NH90) is the scheduled to be the follow on just the german Navy does't seem to like it.
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
Sea Lion is a replacement for the Sea King mainly used for SAR missions now. The Sea Lynx is used as an on-board helicopter and anti-submarine warfare. Since its main use is on board of Germany´s fregattes it has to fit into the hangars. AFAIK the NH 90 did not fit into the hangars of the older ships but it should not be an issue with the next generation fregattes.
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
I would not be suprized if they feel the NH90 is a kind of expensive. It has so many customizations / customers things kind of got out of hand. Maybe the AgustaWestland AW159 Wildcat is an option?
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
columba wrote:Germany is looking for a replacement of the Sea Lynx:
Likely contenders for the requirement are:
the NH90,
the Leonardo Helicopters AW159 Wildcat
and the Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk.
The Sea Lynx is planned to be retired in 2025
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-446952/
My bet is the NH 90
One of these would be my guess,
NH90,
Leonardo Helicopters AW159 Wildcat
With the latter being the most likely.
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
Or how about Lockheed makes a pitch for CH-53K and S-70B? Package deal?
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
What did they do to the seahawk blades? Some folks got too much time with CFD.. 
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
If they really want NH90 frames perhaps New Zealand, Belgians, French might be willing to part with theirs for a song. Did the Finnish NH90’s ever crack 50% readiness?
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
NZ doesn’t have any issues with the NH90, so I doubt they would be willing to sell them, plus they are waiting on an NH90 simulator which was ordered last year.
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
Kiwirob wrote:NZ doesn’t have any issues with the NH90, so I doubt they would be willing to sell them, plus they are waiting on an NH90 simulator which was ordered last year.
And neither does France or Belgium, that I'm aware of.
Spain just ordered more too.
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
And the Dutch seem to be quite satisfied with their NH 90 NFH as well, writes German aerospace magazine Flug Revue (No. 01/2019, pp. 56 - 59). They propose an updated version in cooperation with Germany, Norway, Belgium and France for cost-sharing with new torpedoes, guided missiles (Naval Strike MIssile) and Videolinks & Satcom.
In my opinion the best choice for the German Navy. It doesn't make any sense to operate two different helicopter types.
At least, the German Navy has already chosen a name for the future on-board-helicopter: Sea Tiger.
https://augengeradeaus.net/wp-content/u ... HiTaTa.pdf (Speech of the C-in-C of the German Navy, Admiral Krause, p. 20)
It seems, that can be done much faster than anything else...
In my opinion the best choice for the German Navy. It doesn't make any sense to operate two different helicopter types.
At least, the German Navy has already chosen a name for the future on-board-helicopter: Sea Tiger.
https://augengeradeaus.net/wp-content/u ... HiTaTa.pdf (Speech of the C-in-C of the German Navy, Admiral Krause, p. 20)
It seems, that can be done much faster than anything else...
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
In Norway it's a dissaster ! The NH-90 spends so much time in maintanence and has so insufficient flight hours, that it's almost not in use and we are still waiting for 6, even though they should have been delivered over 10 years ago….
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
FW200 wrote:And the Dutch seem to be quite satisfied with their NH 90 NFH as well, writes German aerospace magazine Flug Revue (No. 01/2019, pp. 56 - 59). They propose an updated version in cooperation with Germany, Norway, Belgium and France for cost-sharing with new torpedoes, guided missiles (Naval Strike MIssile) and Videolinks & Satcom.
In my opinion the best choice for the German Navy. It doesn't make any sense to operate two different helicopter types.
At least, the German Navy has already chosen a name for the future on-board-helicopter: Sea Tiger.
https://augengeradeaus.net/wp-content/u ... HiTaTa.pdf (Speech of the C-in-C of the German Navy, Admiral Krause, p. 20)
It seems, that can be done much faster than anything else...
Think the NH90 Is to big for the smaller vessels the Wildcat is in line to operate from.
Wes...
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
Mortyman wrote:In Norway it's a dissaster ! The NH-90 spends so much time in maintanence and has so insufficient flight hours, that it's almost not in use and we are still waiting for 6, even though they should have been delivered over 10 years ago….
In the above mentioned report in the German Aerospace magazine Flug Revue the Commander of the Dutch 860 Sqn operating the NH 90 NFH, Commander Kleingeld, is quoted that the reliability of the NH 90 has improved with growing experience of the maintenance crews.
wezgulf3 wrote:Think the NH90 Is to big for the smaller vessels the Wildcat is in line to operate from.
The corvettes don't have a helicopter-hangar, only a landing deck. And for the frigates, their hangars should be large enough for a NH 90.
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Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
Hey guys,
I believe that Australia's experiences with the NH90 hasn't been very positive but is improving. I don't recall the specific issues - maybe Ozair knows?
I hope that Germany do choose the Wildcat! It would be great to see a fantastic helicopter chalk up another export client!
Cheers
Bunumuring
I believe that Australia's experiences with the NH90 hasn't been very positive but is improving. I don't recall the specific issues - maybe Ozair knows?
I hope that Germany do choose the Wildcat! It would be great to see a fantastic helicopter chalk up another export client!
Cheers
Bunumuring
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
The decision has been made:
31 NH 90 NFH will join the fleet from 2025 on.
https://augengeradeaus.net/2019/07/marine-soll-nh90-hubschrauber-als-ersatz-fuer-sealynx-bekommen/
31 NH 90 NFH will join the fleet from 2025 on.
https://augengeradeaus.net/2019/07/marine-soll-nh90-hubschrauber-als-ersatz-fuer-sealynx-bekommen/
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
keesje wrote:What did they do to the seahawk blades? Some folks got too much time with CFD..
Those were obviously styled by Toyota engineers.
Re: Germany studies market for Sea Lynx replacement
FW200 wrote:The decision has been made:
31 NH 90 NFH will join the fleet from 2025 on.
https://augengeradeaus.net/2019/07/marine-soll-nh90-hubschrauber-als-ersatz-fuer-sealynx-bekommen/
Logical choice. Congrats for Marine and NH Industries.
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