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How big was the Space Shuttle compared to modern commercial airliners?

Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:40 am

Everyone's seen pics of the Shuttle on a 747, and up close it looks massive, but how big is it next to a 737 or an A320? I've heard it described by several people as downright tiny, and almost surprisingly so next to your average single aisle jet. How accurate is this?
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:47 am

https://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/s ... .jpg?ver=1

There is a size comparison to a 737 on the left of this illustration. Quite similar to a 737.

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Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:17 am

Bambel wrote:
https://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/shuttle-948x1500.jpg?ver=1

There is a size comparison to a 737 on the left of this illustration. Quite similar to a 737.

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Hold D=4.6m, L=18m compares to the A400M ( thought that is more rectangular ),
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:21 am

Bambel wrote:
https://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image/shuttle-948x1500.jpg?ver=1

There is a size comparison to a 737 on the left of this illustration. Quite similar to a 737.

b.


It's much bigger than a 737, more like a 762 or A310. I shall get my 1:400 scale models out and do some comparison shots if anyone doesn't believe me. ;-)
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:34 am

JannEejit wrote:
It's much bigger than a 737, more like a 762 or A310. I shall get my 1:400 scale models out and do some comparison shots if anyone doesn't believe me. ;-)


Not even close. I've been fortunate enough to see all 3 shuttles, plus prototype, in person, and there's no way they are remotely close to being the same size as a 762. The shuttle is 122ft long, which is barely 4ft longer than an Embraer E190.
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:00 am

It's just much bulkier / "fatter" than a 737. The "fuse diameter" is more than a 777, but overall it's not that long and width.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:10 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
It's much bigger than a 737, more like a 762 or A310. I shall get my 1:400 scale models out and do some comparison shots if anyone doesn't believe me. ;-)


Not even close. I've been fortunate enough to see all 3 shuttles, plus prototype, in person, and there's no way they are remotely close to being the same size as a 762. The shuttle is 122ft long, which is barely 4ft longer than an Embraer E190.


Length is only one unit of the Shuttle's dimensions, it's still way bigger than a 737 or Emb-190. I'll take some pics in a minute now I've dug my scale models out the attic. My 762/A310 comparison may be slightly off the mark now I look at them, but not by much to be fair. ;-)
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:11 am

...33 metres in length comes to mind, so give or take like a 733 me thinks.?
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:17 am

It only sat 4-6 people. How big does it need to be?
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:30 am

32andBelow wrote:
It only sat 4-6 people. How big does it need to be?


It still managed 30t payload (25t limited on polar orbits, IIRC). It's as large as it needed to be.

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Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:58 pm

Here's a few comparison shots using Shuttle, 747 transporter, 767-200, 737-200 and an Embraer E-190 from my 1:400 scale model collection, Granted it's not as big as I remember having not seen it since 1983 when I was a 12 year old, but my memory of it was being a pretty decent sized craft. I reckon you could remove the wings from the 732 and put it in the Shuttle's rear bay, and no that's not a scientific appraisal either... Great craft, sorely missed, I still remember gathering round the tv to see the first launch back in 1981, then the first landing,... ;-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517 ... res/316313
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:13 pm

32andBelow wrote:
It only sat 4-6 people. How big does it need to be?


The amount of people that the Shuttle could sit has no relevance to it's size.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:15 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Here's a few comparison shots using Shuttle, 747 transporter, 767-200, 737-200 and an Embraer E-190 from my 1:400 scale model collection, Granted it's not as big as I remember having not seen it since 1983 when I was a 12 year old, but my memory of it was being a pretty decent sized craft. I reckon you could remove the wings from the 732 and put it in the Shuttle's rear bay, and no that's not a scientific appraisal either... Great craft, sorely missed, I still remember gathering round the tv to see the first launch back in 1981, then the first landing,... ;-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517 ... res/316313


Good photos and great models so now we know what you were doing this morning and I bet it was fun getting those back out from the attic :-)
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:18 pm

"about the same size and weight as a DC9"

https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/sys ... biter.html


my god. basing the size on something as compared to "1:400" models is hilarious.
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:19 pm

It was as long as a 737-700 and as wide as a 747.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:26 pm

32andBelow wrote:
It only sat 4-6 people. How big does it need to be?

The most it fit was 8 with normal crews of 6 or 7
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:30 pm

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It was as long as a 737-700 and as wide as a 747.


That's probably the most sensible way of putting it. ;-)
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:31 pm

stlgph wrote:
"about the same size and weight as a DC9"

https://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/sys ... biter.html


my god. basing the size on something as compared to "1:400" models is hilarious.


How so ? As long as the scale is uniform it makes perfect sense.
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:32 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Here's a few comparison shots using Shuttle, 747 transporter, 767-200, 737-200 and an Embraer E-190 from my 1:400 scale model collection, Granted it's not as big as I remember having not seen it since 1983 when I was a 12 year old, but my memory of it was being a pretty decent sized craft. I reckon you could remove the wings from the 732 and put it in the Shuttle's rear bay, and no that's not a scientific appraisal either... Great craft, sorely missed, I still remember gathering round the tv to see the first launch back in 1981, then the first landing,... ;-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517 ... res/316313

Your scale model has the huge tail cone attached that was not part of the mission configuration.
viewtopic.php?t=754439
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:42 pm

Dimensions from Wikipedia:
56.1 m (184.2 ft)
Diameter
8.7 m (28.5 ft)
Mass
2,030 t (4,470,000 lb)
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:57 pm

Noray wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Here's a few comparison shots using Shuttle, 747 transporter, 767-200, 737-200 and an Embraer E-190 from my 1:400 scale model collection, Granted it's not as big as I remember having not seen it since 1983 when I was a 12 year old, but my memory of it was being a pretty decent sized craft. I reckon you could remove the wings from the 732 and put it in the Shuttle's rear bay, and no that's not a scientific appraisal either... Great craft, sorely missed, I still remember gathering round the tv to see the first launch back in 1981, then the first landing,... ;-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517 ... res/316313

Your scale model has the huge tail cone attached that was not part of the mission configuration.
viewtopic.php?t=754439


Correct but I don't see what difference that makes to one's ability to perceive the relative size and scale of the craft as a 1:1 model ? The "mission" was generally configured with two huge rockets and a booster tank. Not sure how many 737's you'd need to match that... ;-)
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:02 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Here's a few comparison shots using Shuttle, 747 transporter, 767-200, 737-200 and an Embraer E-190 from my 1:400 scale model collection, Granted it's not as big as I remember having not seen it since 1983 when I was a 12 year old, but my memory of it was being a pretty decent sized craft. I reckon you could remove the wings from the 732 and put it in the Shuttle's rear bay, and no that's not a scientific appraisal either... Great craft, sorely missed, I still remember gathering round the tv to see the first launch back in 1981, then the first landing,... ;-)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/153220517 ... res/316313


Oh wow! Love those models! I think I had one made by Corgi?..
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:05 pm

airbazar wrote:
It was as long as a 737-700 and as wide as a 747.


Well put man!

Indeed "some" are short but damn fat!!! :lol:
 
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It took over 20 replies before the first penis reference one! Sad. LOL! ;)
 
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:32 pm

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Not sure how many 737's you'd need to match that... ;-)


Well it does not make much sense to expound on what the Shuttle is and what not when the question
asked indicates that the OP means the actual "Orbiter" craft ( and not the complete system "Shuttle" ).
( The system "Shuttle" being composed of the Orbiter, 1 external fuel tank, 2 x SRB )
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:47 pm

From those models I would say it compares in bulk more like a 747, but much shorter like a 737. Not little.
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:52 pm

so the OP could not have looked at the pictures on this very platform (Shuttle on the back of a Nasa 741 gives a clear indication) or simply googeled his question?
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:28 pm

Don't forget the people it "sat" also needed to live on board for some weeks.
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F27500 wrote:
It took over 20 replies before the first penis reference one! Sad. LOL! ;)


That's because I was being polite today, but the minute anyone makes a reference to size or length my mind immediately -and irremediably- switches itself on 'penis mode'!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
 
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The quick rule of thumb I learned back in the day was the Orbiter was the size of a DC-9, while the whole stack was the size of an A-300.
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EA CO AS wrote:
The quick rule of thumb I learned back in the day was the Orbiter was the size of a DC-9, while the whole stack was the size of an A-300.


Didn't I see a graphic that showed the entire stack was as tall as the statue or liberty? Lady Liberty is 307' and the A300 is about 177'. Maybe you meant width?

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nycbjr wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
The quick rule of thumb I learned back in the day was the Orbiter was the size of a DC-9, while the whole stack was the size of an A-300.


Didn't I see a graphic that showed the entire stack was as tall as the statue or liberty? Lady Liberty is 307' and the A300 is about 177'. Maybe you meant width?

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The stack was 184 feet tall.
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EA CO AS wrote:
nycbjr wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
The quick rule of thumb I learned back in the day was the Orbiter was the size of a DC-9, while the whole stack was the size of an A-300.


Didn't I see a graphic that showed the entire stack was as tall as the statue or liberty? Lady Liberty is 307' and the A300 is about 177'. Maybe you meant width?

Cheers


The stack was 184 feet tall.


my mistake then!

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nycbjr wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
The quick rule of thumb I learned back in the day was the Orbiter was the size of a DC-9, while the whole stack was the size of an A-300.


Didn't I see a graphic that showed the entire stack was as tall as the statue or liberty? Lady Liberty is 307' and the A300 is about 177'. Maybe you meant width?


The statue of Lady Liberty alone is 151 ft tall, including torch. It is 305 ft. including the pedestal. So the statue itself fits fine.
 
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