Ozair
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Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:25 pm

As we have threads for the A400M and the KC-390 I thought it would be worth creating one for the Kawasaki C-2 as we start to see some traction and news.

Some info from wiki on the C-2,
The Kawasaki C-2 is a long range twin-engine transport aircraft. In comparison with the older C-1 that it replaces, the C-2 can carry payloads up to four times heavier, such as MIM-104 Patriot surface-to-air missile (SAM) batteries and Mitsubishi H-60 helicopters, and possesses six times the range.

The C-2 is being developed to meet the following requirements of the Ministry of Defense: a minimum payload of 26 tonnes, 120 metric ton (264,552 lb 132.275 short ton) take-off weight, ability to takeoff/land on short runways, (Requirement: 500m, almost same as C-1, e.g. Tachikawa—900 m, Kamigoto—800 m, Hateruma—800 m), a maximum payload of 37,600 kg whilst taking off from a 2,300 m Take-off Field Length at a 141 tonnes (310,851 lb 155.42 short ton) take-off weight, ability to fly international airroutes (Requirement: Mach 0.8+; JDA ruled out C-17 as a candidate by its lower cruising speed.

Conventional cargo aircraft cannot cruise at optimum altitude on commercial airroutes because of their lower cruising speed and are often assigned to lower altitude by ATC., in-flight aerial refuelling and forward looking infrared systems.

The C-2 is powered by a pair of General Electric CF6-80C2K turbofan engines. While sharing fuselage components with the Kawasaki P-1, the fuselage of the C-2's is substantially larger to accommodate a vast internal cargo deck, which is furnished with an automated loading/unloading system to reduce workloads on personnel and ground equipment. The forward fuselage and horizontal stabilizer is made of an internally-designedcomposite material, KMS6115. A tactical flight management system and head-up display is installed to reduce the challenges involved in flying at low altitudes or close to mountainous terrain. The C-2 is equipped with a fullglass cockpit, fly-by-wire flight controls, a high-precision navigation system, and self protection systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_C-2

The C-2 is obviously being funded and acquired by Japan and we know that the aircraft is currently five years behind schedule. Aalthough the JSDF has requested 10 aircraft in the 2014-2018 period the Japanese Government has only funded seven.

While the fiscal 2014-18 procurement plan calls for 10 C-2 transport planes, contractor Kawasaki Heavy Industries is running about five years behind schedule. Funds have been budgeted for only seven of the planes so far. A dearth of C-2s, used to carry combat vehicles and midsize helicopters in addition to personnel, could hinder Japan's efforts to defend outlying islands and respond to disasters.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Econom ... nderfunded

Kawasaki has offered a commercial C-2 but so far this has yet to garner any interest.
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We also know the C-2 has started appearing in international sales campaigns including a visit to NZ.

Japan’s air force said on Friday it will send its new C-2 long-range heavy lift military cargo plane overseas for the first time to show it off to potential buyers in the Middle East and New Zealand.
Built by Kawasaki Heavy Industries, the C-2 will fly to the United Arab Emirates on Nov. 8 to participate in the Dubai Airshow and will be on display in New Zealand from Nov. 25 to Dec. 1, the Japan Air Self Defence Force said in a news release.
A C-2 sale would secure Japan its first major overseas arms contract.
“A number of nations have shown interest in the C-2 and we want to show off our advanced technology,” Japan’s Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera told a regular media briefing.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-japan ... KKBN1CB0CB

Finally there is the below report on a new variant of the C-2

Images reveal progress on Japan’s C-2 intelligence-gathering variant

The test bed of Japan’s intelligence gathering version of the Kawasaki C-2 airlifter has broken cover, with photographs emerging of the aircraft undergoing taxi tests.
The photo, taken Tuesday at the Japan Air Self-Defense Force base at Gifu, shows a C-2 with enlarged fairings on the nose, tail, top and sides of the rear fuselage. According to documents released by Japanese Defense Ministry’s acquisition agency, the aircraft variant will have an electronic intelligence/communications intelligence suite.

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-sho ... g-variant/

An image from twitter can be seen here,
https://twitter.com/Gifu119V3/status/96 ... variant%2F

I’m surprised Japan is pursuing a C-2 variant for EW/ISR, I would have thought the P-1 was a better platform for this type of work, or even modify a 767 given they already have of number of that aircraft in their fleet.
 
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:50 pm

Some images of the aircraft.

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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:13 am

I think it has a pretty decent chance in NZ, whoever is the first export customer will probably get a fairly significant discount.
 
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:47 am

Kiwirob wrote:
I think it has a pretty decent chance in NZ, whoever is the first export customer will probably get a fairly significant discount.

While the first export customer will likely get a discount they probably take on some significant risk given Japanese doesn't have a history of exporting and supporting military equipment of this size.

I also see no reason it couldn't fulfil the Antartic run for NZ which seems to be a desired feature by interested parties. I know NZ has been approved for the P-8 but has yet to formaly order. A combined P-1/C-2 order would make a lot of sense but I guess that depends on what NZ wants to do with maritime patrol.
 
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:40 am

It will largely come down to what the NZ government decides are the requirements for both maratime patrol and airlift.

I know the airlift replacement project has been started. So it's probably in the defining requirements stage right now.

But yeah, I would agree NZ is probably the current front runner for the first export. Especially if a requirement is put in to do the Antarctic resupply run with no point of no return. The new fleet supply ship is going to be ice strengthend to do summer supply runs so that might relieve any pressure to do heavy lift and leave any need to light and passenger loads.

For the RNZAF the other obvious option is the KC-390 which also suffers somewhat from the lack of any outside of Brazil support for military aircraft.

Personally I think the C-2 is slightly ahead but we'll have to wait a few years for a final decision to be made.
 
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:56 am

This airlifted market is starting to get a bit crowded, we have the C130J, A400, E
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:03 am

[quote="Max Q"]This airlifted market is starting to get a bit crowded, we have the C130J, A400, E390, C2 and the C17 all chasing a similar mission


Where exactly does the C2 fit in ?
Can it operate on unimproved airfields?


I’m sure it’s a well built, solid product but why would any other country buy it bearing
in mind the limited production run and difficulty with global support and spares
availability?
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm

Max Q wrote:
This airlifted market is starting to get a bit crowded, we have the C130J, A400, E390, C2 and the C17 all chasing a similar mission

Well the C-17 is now out of production and no more are available. To add to the above the IL-76 has been updated and looking for exports, also add the Chinese Y-20 which I expect to soon be offered for export.


Max Q wrote:
Where exactly does the C2 fit in ?
Can it operate on unimproved airfields?

The C-2 does not operate from unimproved runways but it is very capable of short take off and landing on a standard runway. Saying that, it has been weather tested in Japan and is capable of landing on snow and ice.

Max Q wrote:
I’m sure it’s a well built, solid product but why would any other country buy it bearing
in mind the limited production run and difficulty with global support and spares
availability?

The lack of experience Japan has in the export market is a huge factor. It does benefit from using the CF-6 which is still in service with a large number of airlines and military customers around the world so engine support shouldn’t be too much of an issue.

As for where it fits, countries like NZ and the UAE have expressed an interest in the capability. While it doesn’t have that unimproved runway performance it comes in significantly cheaper than comparable aircraft while still having the capability to land a significant payload. For nations that have no requirement to land an AFV to a forward deployed dirt strip, and that list of nations is many, the C-2 offers military transport capabilities at a comparatively affordable price. The C-2 also has significant commonality with the P-1 maritime patrol aircraft so in some cases a military will be able to leverage two specialised aircraft and have a reasonably common spares and maintenance pool.
 
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:12 pm

Hey Ozair,
I read in the current issue of 'Air International' magazine that one Y-20 was offered to Bangladesh recently in a package of military planes from China, so I guess the Y-20 is now available for export.
I agree that NZ looks likely to be the first export customer for the C-2. I just can't see it effectively replacing the two 757s in the RNZAF fleet....
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:48 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey Ozair,
I read in the current issue of 'Air International' magazine that one Y-20 was offered to Bangladesh recently in a package of military planes from China, so I guess the Y-20 is now available for export.

Good to know. Seems like a larger aircraft than Bangladesh probably need but I am sure they will find a use for it.

bunumuring wrote:
I agree that NZ looks likely to be the first export customer for the C-2. I just can't see it effectively replacing the two 757s in the RNZAF fleet....
Cheers
Bunumuring

Why do you think the C-2 cannot replace the 757 in NZ service? From a capability perspective the C-2 has a longer range with the same payload and can carry outsize payloads included NZ helicopters and AFVs. It won't impress the NZ public as much at airshows given the NZ 757s had built quite the reputation for demos but that clearly shouldn't be a determining factor.
 
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Re: Kawasaki C-2 news, prospects and discussion

Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:18 am

Ozair wrote:
bunumuring wrote:
I agree that NZ looks likely to be the first export customer for the C-2. I just can't see it effectively replacing the two 757s in the RNZAF fleet....
Cheers
Bunumuring

Why do you think the C-2 cannot replace the 757 in NZ service? From a capability perspective the C-2 has a longer range with the same payload and can carry outsize payloads included NZ helicopters and AFVs. It won't impress the NZ public as much at airshows given the NZ 757s had built quite the reputation for demos but that clearly shouldn't be a determining factor.


Agreed on the C-2 being able to replace the 757. I really like the 757, but its main gains over the Hercs are speed and range. If the Herc replacement can attain speeds and range nearer the 757, then what is the need for it? It needs ground support, cannot do rough field ops and is limited in the gear which can be loaded with its high side door and small cross section, hardly ideal for emergency relief ops which form a major part of what the RNZAF does. It only really leaves the role of being a political shuttle, not a good use of a very stretched budget. And correct, neither is replacing the Skyhwak for demos a strong argument :white:

If the Herc and 757 roles can be bundled into one, it would probably be beneficial for operations. Especially if it allows for a smaller transport to slot in for the short-range work.

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