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Shenyang FC-31 / J-31

Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:54 pm

Did a quick search and didn't find any results, so new thread.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-31

I'm surprised that Mikoyan hasn't approached Shenyang to produce a licensed version. Sukhoi has the SU-35 alongside the T-50 while Mikoyan has no 5th Gen offering and the FC-31 is sized around the Mig platform. Would save a lot in the R&D department. One of the engine offerings (RD-93) is also used in the Migs.
Or maybe a new engine under the Powerjet banner since the French are looking to produce a new fighter with Germany.
 
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Re: Shenyang FC-31 / J-31

Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:58 pm

Back in May 17, an updated prototype flew with some structural changes. Most notably, the vertical tail.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.popsci.c ... -prototype

I think it would look good with an all movable VSTAB like the T-50.
 
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Re: Shenyang FC-31 / J-31

Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:10 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:

I think Indian navy might be fat up with Mikojan-Goerevitsj after getting these MiG-29K's.

Apparently yes, the Shenyang FC-31 is going to be converted for carrier operations. Good catch. Although changes that this will fly with the Indian navy are slim at best. China and India aren't BFF's.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... arrier-ops

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I'm surprised that Mikoyan hasn't approached Shenyang to produce a licensed version. Sukhoi has the SU-35 alongside the T-50 while Mikoyan has no 5th Gen offering, and the F/C-31 is sized around the Mig platform. Would save a lot in the R&D department.


That is a nice suggestion, Mikoyan license produce the Shenyang, but why would Shenyang and how good is the product of F/C-31?


Too early to say I suppose, since it's still in prototype stage. But there would still be royalties to Shenyang. China have produced aircraft under license from the Russians previously, so would just be a turn of the tables.

We are also seeing more cooperation between the Russians and Chinese in the commercial industry with the Comac now.
 
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Re: Shenyang FC-31 / J-31

Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:32 pm

Will the Russians build the machines without paying the royalties? The Chines have for many years and adapted many designs. Just look at the many derivatives of the MiG-21 / Chengdu J-7, right up to the current FC-17.
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Re: Shenyang FC-31 / J-31

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:14 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Will the Russians build the machines without paying the royalties? The Chines have for many years and adapted many designs. Just look at the many derivatives of the MiG-21 / Chengdu J-7, right up to the current FC-17.


It may leave the door open for the Russians to get a little payback in that department, but it would hamper projects like the C929 which is likely to be more profitable than a fighter.
 
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Re: Shenyang FC-31 / J-31

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:19 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Will the Russians build the machines without paying the royalties? The Chines have for many years and adapted many designs. Just look at the many derivatives of the MiG-21 / Chengdu J-7, right up to the current FC-17.


It may leave the door open for the Russians to get a little payback in that department, but it would hamper projects like the C929 which is likely to be more profitable than a fighter.


Potentially yes, Russia has a large export defense industry. On the commercial side, they are not really selling, neither is the Chinese, although they have a large domestic marked.
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