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Curious YF-23 question . . .

Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:42 pm

Pretty simple - would the YF-23 have been called the "Raptor" if it had won the competition? I really did not see any reference to it in the articles I have come across.

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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:57 pm

Northtrop used the name Black Widow II.
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:38 pm

YF-22 was originally the Lightning II.
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:09 am

Oh good Lord, I was browesing on youtube and it was like three out of the first four that had the Black Widow reference. :blush:

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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:07 am

Great looking aircraft, much more so than the F22.
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:48 am

dragon6172 wrote:
YF-22 was originally the Lightning II.


Yes, we will never know. Names are picked by the airforce after it entered service.
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:34 am

Max Q wrote:
Great looking aircraft, much more so than the F22.


Yes, a very pretty aircraft. And said to be very fast as well. I've seen another design for a bomber that has some striking similarities to the YF-23 in a number of respects. Don't know if it ever actually went further than drawings.
 
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:03 am

It's speed was more a function of the engines, which were a variable cycle design. I've read that the other flight test craft had somewhat reduced performance due to having the same engines as the yf-22. The yf-23 design was used as the basis for a proposal for the ATF project that eventually morphed into the F-35 (granted, there were several projects in between).
 
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:40 am

Just a fantasy thought here so it's not even worth responding to. But how cool would it be if a secret program would produce these - from what I have learned - platforms that were better than the Raptor suddenly showed up in a stand off / combat situation.

Now that would have been cool!
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:52 am

PC12Fan wrote:
Just a fantasy thought here so it's not even worth responding to. But how cool would it be if a secret program would produce these - from what I have learned - platforms that were better than the Raptor suddenly showed up in a stand off / combat situation.

Now that would have been cool!


I would like to respond to that, if I may ;)

There were some rumors the YF-23 was a black project made into a fighter. But we will never know, or we will know when this black project comes to the light.
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:24 am

One thing to keep in mind was that the production version of the YF-23 would have been rather different in some key areas. It likely would have been a bit longer to have increased weapons storage. It likely would not have used the variable cycle engines as the USAF just wasn't that enamored with going through yet another painful development process for a new jet engine of drastically different character. Without those engines, it's advantages over the YF-22 were minimized.

I love the Yf-23 prototype, but I'm afraid that a production version of it would have been somewhat disappointing. However, advance the time by three decades and use its design language with modern technology to derive a 6th gen fighter with GE's advanced adaptive cycle engine project and you might have something that's otherworldly. Optionally manned or developed with a manned and an unmanned variant, and you can have a version that can handle 12g maneuvers while also being able to penetrate most any real defenses.
 
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:23 am

Wasn't the US Navy interested in a modified version of the YF23 ?
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:26 am

Dutchy wrote:
PC12Fan wrote:
Just a fantasy thought here so it's not even worth responding to. But how cool would it be if a secret program would produce these - from what I have learned - platforms that were better than the Raptor suddenly showed up in a stand off / combat situation.

Now that would have been cool!


I would like to respond to that, if I may ;)

There were some rumors the YF-23 was a black project made into a fighter. But we will never know, or we will know when this black project comes to the light.


Was that the high speed bomber/strike aircraft?

The rumour mill also suggests that the Convair Kingfish (or a derivative of it) did indeed get built and flew. For what purpose it was used I cannot say. I doubt it was a bomber, and a recon machine, well, the SR-71 was on the way out at the time, so perhaps it did do recon and surveillance, but unusual. It might only have been a research aircraft.
 
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Re: Curious YF-23 question . . .

Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:49 am

Well if build it was a black project, so you can project on it what you want :D
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