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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:08 pm

Embraer close to completing Portuguese KC-390 contract

Embraer is on the verge of completing a deal with Portugal confirming the country as the first export customer for the KC-390 tanker transport.

“We are discussing with the government the final contract,” the Brazilian airframer’s chief executive Paulo Cesar Silva said at a pre-Farnborough air show media briefing in Lisbon on 26 June.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ra-449773/
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:17 pm

It seems that Sweden has postponed the upgrade of its old C-130H in favor of financing the purchase of the Patriot anti-aircraft system. Assuming that you finally come to a point when it is simply not worth to upgrade because of the plane's age, and if this is the case here I do not know, but our C-130 is quite old. The KC-390 has been mentioned as a replacement, especially since Brazil buys the Gripen.
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:31 pm

SAS A340 wrote:
It seems that Sweden has postponed the upgrade of its old C-130H in favor of financing the purchase of the Patriot anti-aircraft system. Assuming that you finally come to a point when it is simply not worth to upgrade because of the plane's age, and if this is the case here I do not know, but our C-130 is quite old. The KC-390 has been mentioned as a replacement, especially since Brazil buys the Gripen.

NZ is flying the first three C-130H off the production line, from 1965, and they will likely serve until they are at least 58 years old. The US is upgrading existing H models so there is certainly scope for more life. I imagine Sweden would have a similar or less intensive profile to NZ for their C-130 fleet.

Edit: It appears that the bulk of Sweden's C-130H fleet was delivered in 1981, http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/ ... rce/SweAF/ so there should be plenty of scope for an upgrade of the current aircraft in a couple of years over replacement by a new aircraft such as the KC-390. All indications are that Sweden now won't look for a C-130H replacement until the early 2030s.
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:51 pm

Ozair wrote:
SAS A340 wrote:
It seems that Sweden has postponed the upgrade of its old C-130H in favor of financing the purchase of the Patriot anti-aircraft system. Assuming that you finally come to a point when it is simply not worth to upgrade because of the plane's age, and if this is the case here I do not know, but our C-130 is quite old. The KC-390 has been mentioned as a replacement, especially since Brazil buys the Gripen.

NZ is flying the first three C-130H off the production line, from 1965, and they will likely serve until they are at least 58 years old. The US is upgrading existing H models so there is certainly scope for more life. I imagine Sweden would have a similar or less intensive profile to NZ for their C-130 fleet.

Edit: It appears that the bulk of Sweden's C-130H fleet was delivered in 1981, http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/ ... rce/SweAF/ so there should be plenty of scope for an upgrade of the current aircraft in a couple of years over replacement by a new aircraft such as the KC-390. All indications are that Sweden now won't look for a C-130H replacement until the early 2030s.


Ozair,

There is a very positive understanding between Saab, Embraer and the Brazilian Air Force as result of the Grippen project. Therefore there is confidence that the KC-390 will be considered in replacing the Swedish C-130s.

Many believe that Brazil will need a 2nd tranche of Grippen aircraft and this will open additional negotiations involving the KC-390 exports in exchange.
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:55 am

Nean1 wrote:
Ozair,

There is a very positive understanding between Saab, Embraer and the Brazilian Air Force as result of the Grippen project. Therefore there is confidence that the KC-390 will be considered in replacing the Swedish C-130s.

Many believe that Brazil will need a 2nd tranche of Grippen aircraft and this will open additional negotiations involving the KC-390 exports in exchange.

Perhaps foolish of me but I consider Saab and the Swedish Air Force as two separate entities. The Swedish Air Force, which operates the C-130H, has clearly stated they aren’t looking for a replacement until the early 2030s.

The Swedish Air Force has postponed plans to upgrade its Lockheed Martin C-130H Hercules fleet instead opting to do a mid-life upgrade for its six transport aircraft, an Air Force official said May 8.

Col. Magnus Liljegren, head of the Air Force department at the Swedish armed forces headquarters, said it was probable that the work would consist of updates to aircraft’s avionics systems, not structural upgrades of the airframe itself. For that reason, the C-130s will fly only until the early 2030s.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/05 ... -390-sale/

That may translate to a replacement order in the 2025-27 timeframe but still 7-10 years away at which point if the KC-390 is still in production would make it a likely candidate.
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:13 am

Source: https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug ... on-airlift

Embraer Successfully Performs First Flight of the Series Production KC-390 Multi-mission Airlift

Excerpt:

"Gavião Peixoto, Brazil, October, 9, 2018 –
Embraer achieved another important milestone today with the completion of the maiden flight of the first series production multi-mission medium airlift KC-390.
As agreed with the Brazilian Air Force, the aircraft will now join the flight test campaign, in which more than 1,900 flight hours have already been logged. Civil certification of the basic aircraft will be granted by Brazilian aviation authority ANAC (Agência Nacional de Aviação Civil) and is expected to be achieved very soon."
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:32 am

First Flight of the Series Production KC-390 Multi-mission Airlift

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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:30 am

Source:http://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/economia/noticia/2018-10/anac-emite-certificacao-para-aviao-cargueiro-de-uso-militar

ANAC (National Civil Aviation Agency) issues certification for military aircraft KC-390

Excerpts (translated from portuguese):

"The National Civil Aviation Agency (ANAC) reported today (October 19, 2018) that it issued the KC-390 certification.
The issuance of the certificate allows the aircraft to be marketed and operated throughout Brazil."

"The certification is issued by the agency when the aircraft design demonstrates that it has met all the operational, safety and environmental protection requirements."

"The certification program of this model lasted seven years, with more than 2,500 requirements, and involved the participation of approximately 200 professionals accredited by the National Civil Aviation Agency (ANAC), as well as engineers and technicians from this entity."


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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:04 am

Well done. So when is EASA / FAA certification expected?
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:43 pm

Would an over the wing engine configuration, a la YC-14, be possible for this in a re-engined derivative? The Coanda effect seems like it could also help with rough fields (and config would ingest less debris), and perhaps the T-tail also would facilitate this modification?

https://www.avgeekery.com/boeing-yc-14- ... nced-good/

There are certain similarities in the designs, separated by about 40 years of technological changes.
 
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Re: Embraer KC-390 prospects

Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:40 am

texl1649 wrote:
Would an over the wing engine configuration, a la YC-14, be possible for this in a re-engined derivative? The Coanda effect seems like it could also help with rough fields (and config would ingest less debris), and perhaps the T-tail also would facilitate this modification?

https://www.avgeekery.com/boeing-yc-14- ... nced-good/

There are certain similarities in the designs, separated by about 40 years of technological changes.


An easy way to compare complications between "engine configurations" is to look at An-72/74 family and their nearest relatives -- An-148/158/178 family. These planes are as similar as they could be, yet there are many differences, still.
AN4 A40 L4T TU3 TU5 IL6 ILW I93 F50 F70 100 146 ARJ AT7 DH4 L10 CRJ ERJ E90 E95 DC-9 MD-8X YK4 YK2 SF3 S20 319 320 321 332 333 343 346 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 74M 757 767 777
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