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Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:43 am

Before Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to US on June 25, Lockheed Martin ties up with TATA to produce F16 fighter planes in India.

Sources says that the deal has been signed in Paris, on the sidelines of the Paris Air Show.


https://twitter.com/ANI_news/status/876766159860752386
 
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:37 pm

Sad if true!
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:19 pm

SAS A340 wrote:
Sad if true!


From an industrial perspective and being French (thus selfishly wishing more Rafale orders), I concur.
But for the Indian taxpayer and pilots, who still fly vintage Mig 21s, that's good news I think. LM sure knows how to install F-16 production lines in foreign countries, and it's not as if this production would create job redundencies with LM's US factory, where the F-16 is nearing the end of the line while the F-35 becomes LM's new bread and butter.
 
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Is Lockheed Martin ready for a 15-year slog before a single frame rolls out in IAF colours? And even the chances of that are only 50% at best.
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:43 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
Is Lockheed Martin ready for a 15-year slog before a single frame rolls out in IAF colours? And even the chances of that are only 50% at best.


The deal is with TATA not HAL. It doesn't get better than that.
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:48 pm

Christ almighty, I did not expect to see this HERE of all places.

THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HASN'T SIGNED S**T.

This is basically LMCO and Tata agreeing that they will co-produce the F-16 -- IF AND ONLY IF it is selected for procurement by the Indian MoD.

In fact, this announcement means EVEN LESS than that, because under the terms of a recently-released new chapter to the Defence Procurement Procedures of the MoD, the Government reserves the right to select a foreign OEM for tech, and then shop around among *multiple* Indian prime contractors for a price bid. LMCO and Tata's best laid plans might come to nought if the MoD decides they want a different fighter or a competing Indian prime hops in with a lower bid.
 
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:14 pm

angad84 wrote:
Christ almighty, I did not expect to see this HERE of all places.

THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HASN'T SIGNED S**T.

This is basically LMCO and Tata agreeing that they will co-produce the F-16 -- IF AND ONLY IF it is selected for procurement by the Indian MoD.

In fact, this announcement means EVEN LESS than that, because under the terms of a recently-released new chapter to the Defence Procurement Procedures of the MoD, the Government reserves the right to select a foreign OEM for tech, and then shop around among *multiple* Indian prime contractors for a price bid. LMCO and Tata's best laid plans might come to nought if the MoD decides they want a different fighter or a competing Indian prime hops in with a lower bid.


Those new rules sound suspiciously like trying to bind foreign OEMs into a deal before they can object to stuff like guaranteeing products off of a locally sourced production line - such as how Dassault balked at guaranteeing the quality of locally sourced aircraft...
 
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:18 pm

moo wrote:
angad84 wrote:
Christ almighty, I did not expect to see this HERE of all places.

THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HASN'T SIGNED S**T.

This is basically LMCO and Tata agreeing that they will co-produce the F-16 -- IF AND ONLY IF it is selected for procurement by the Indian MoD.

In fact, this announcement means EVEN LESS than that, because under the terms of a recently-released new chapter to the Defence Procurement Procedures of the MoD, the Government reserves the right to select a foreign OEM for tech, and then shop around among *multiple* Indian prime contractors for a price bid. LMCO and Tata's best laid plans might come to nought if the MoD decides they want a different fighter or a competing Indian prime hops in with a lower bid.


Those new rules sound suspiciously like trying to bind foreign OEMs into a deal before they can object to stuff like guaranteeing products off of a locally sourced production line - such as how Dassault balked at guaranteeing the quality of locally sourced aircraft...


You'll get a kick out of the nationalisation clause then - https://www.stratpost.com/trouble-chapter-7/
 
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:32 am

angad84 wrote:
Christ almighty, I did not expect to see this HERE of all places.

THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HASN'T SIGNED S**T.

This is basically LMCO and Tata agreeing that they will co-produce the F-16 -- IF AND ONLY IF it is selected for procurement by the Indian MoD.

That wont stop the professional bhakt's from drumbeating about Dear Leader's supernatural abilities! :P

angad84 wrote:
LMCO and Tata's best laid plans might come to nought if the MoD decides they want a different fighter or a competing Indian prime hops in with a lower bid.

Tata is the most professional partner LMCO can find. However that is not the way Dear Leader's govt functions. Dassault was smart to sign Dear Leader's crony Ambani which is how they swung the Rafale bid overnight AFTER the IAF had expressed its reservations.

LMCO should have signed up another of Dear Leader's cronies - Adani group - owned by a former watch smuggler from Alang and whose fortunes have skyrocketed since Dear Leader's ascension to power - is in the running and looking for a partner. So if anyone is looking to sell their antiquated 70's design in a repackaged avatar, they should get in touch with the Adani group.
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:44 am

BawliBooch wrote:
angad84 wrote:
Christ almighty, I did not expect to see this HERE of all places.

THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HASN'T SIGNED S**T.

This is basically LMCO and Tata agreeing that they will co-produce the F-16 -- IF AND ONLY IF it is selected for procurement by the Indian MoD.

That wont stop the professional bhakt's from drumbeating about Dear Leader's supernatural abilities! :P

angad84 wrote:
LMCO and Tata's best laid plans might come to nought if the MoD decides they want a different fighter or a competing Indian prime hops in with a lower bid.

Tata is the most professional partner LMCO can find. However that is not the way Dear Leader's govt functions. Dassault was smart to sign Dear Leader's crony Ambani which is how they swung the Rafale bid overnight AFTER the IAF had expressed its reservations.

LMCO should have signed up another of Dear Leader's cronies - Adani group - owned by a former watch smuggler from Alang and whose fortunes have skyrocketed since Dear Leader's ascension to power - is in the running and looking for a partner. So if anyone is looking to sell their antiquated 70's design in a repackaged avatar, they should get in touch with the Adani group.


How's your PIL on Saab-Adani partnership going? :lol:
 
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:08 am

anshabhi wrote:

How's your PIL on Saab-Adani partnership going? :lol:


Hain? From DXB to MEL, peepuls want to know: What are you smokin bro? Pass some here Sil vous plait!
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:13 pm

It appears there will be no deal.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... india.html
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Re: Apparently, India has signed deal for F-16

Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:29 pm

Devilfish wrote:
It appears there will be no deal.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... india.html

That article (or more precisely, the article it's quoting) is garbage.

There is indeed no deal yet, but it has nothing to with age or any of that other "sources say" bull crap. There has been no formal rejection or selection yet, and it will stay that way for a good long while.

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