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Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 8:34 am

Austria is considering to get rid of the Eurofighter Typhoons. The reasons are the maintenance costs and the upcoming upgrade costs (all Typhoons are of Trache 1). As the Saab 105 will be retired by 2020 they soon need a replacement.

According to the article (only in german, sorry) 19 models are potential replacements. Among these: F-16, Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale.


http://diepresse.com/home/innenpolitik/ ... tor=CS1-15


Does anybody know what the other options are? Maybe even some Russian models (Suchoi, MiG)?
Does it make much sense to replace the Typhoon with the F-16 or Rafale? I assume costs are similar, right?

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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 9:08 am

It would certainly cost far less to upgrade them, as has been done in the past for other nations. But let's not forget that this Austrian Eurofighter 'problem' is mainly a political one (or used for political purposes).
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 10:13 am

FA-50s would be the most sensible option. Considering that the Austrian Eurofighters only carry short range IR missiles anyway. Replacing the Eurofighters with something like Rafale is just a waste of money and even Grippens are hardly worth the effort and they also need up-grades every 10-15 years.
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 12:17 pm

last I cared to look the RAF was retiring 50+ Trance 1 Typhoons because it would be too expensive to upgrade to the modern standard... so Austria has a point. Expensive to operate + expensive to upgrade. Yes, it would be cheaper to upgrade, but down the road it will be still expensive to operate.
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 12:45 pm

24 of British Tranche 1 will stay in service for an air policing / air defence role up until 2040.
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 2:24 pm

Austria's defense budget is 0,9% of GNP. Logical everything is way too expensive. Would be a waste of money not to upgrade the 15 Eurofighters and perhaps get a replacement for the Saab 105o, how about the PC-21.
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Tue May 09, 2017 4:23 pm

seahawk wrote:
FA-50s would be the most sensible option. .


Exactly, as Austria has no plans to defend it's airspace, all.they need is something to get eyes up and able to go supersonic if required. They won't buy enough ammunition for any attack anyways, so looking at lowest TCO is the right way to go. Never understood why they went with the Typhoon.

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Austria's defense budget is 0,9% of GNP. Logical everything is way too expensive. Would be a waste of money not to upgrade the 15 Eurofighters and perhaps get a replacement for the Saab 105o, how about the PC-21.


Upgrading the EF only makes sense in the total remaining lifetime costs are lower.than any other viable option. Their EF are fairly castrated.
The PC-21 makes sense as a trainer, but as a replacement they'd need something with some CAS/COIN abilities, the current once are wired for and tested, but not equipped with, even Sidewinders.

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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Wed May 10, 2017 1:02 am

seahawk wrote:
24 of British Tranche 1 will stay in service for an air policing / air defence role up until 2040.


So they are only retiring 31 of the Tranche 1 Typhoons? :roll:
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Wed May 10, 2017 4:53 am

Afaik they will be kept as a spare source for the 24 flying. 24 are too little anyway for 2 squadrons, so around 30 will probably remain in the active fleet pool.
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Fri May 12, 2017 2:55 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Austria's defense budget is 0,9% of GNP.


My thoughts exactly. We will see if that's still politically feasible in the next few years.
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Sat May 13, 2017 4:31 am

seahawk wrote:
FA-50s would be the most sensible option. Considering that the Austrian Eurofighters only carry short range IR missiles anyway.

Alternatively, they could look at the M-346 FT variant.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... fa-434448/

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tommy1808 wrote:
The PC-21 makes sense as a trainer, but as a replacement they'd need something with some CAS/COIN abilities, the current once are wired for and tested, but not equipped with, even Sidewinders.

Perhaps they might find one of these (or both) suitable.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ri-437189/
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Sat May 13, 2017 2:21 pm

It would be stupid to go for anything other than keeping the existing fleet of Typhoons operational. The savings from replacing the Typhoon with something else will never be big enough to cover the combined cost of buying a fleet new jets.

tommy1808 wrote:
The PC-21 makes sense as a trainer, but as a replacement they'd need something with some CAS/COIN abilities, the current once are wired for and tested, but not equipped with, even Sidewinders.


Why does Austria even need a CAS/COIN plane? Take a look at a map, they are surrounded by friendly, peaceful and militarily castrated nations! Austria will never need it! They aren't even (and can never be) members of NATO, and are severely limited by the post-WWII treaties.
 
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Re: Replacement of Austrian Typhoons

Sat May 13, 2017 5:31 pm

I'd imagine the Gripen could be a good contender here.
 
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Mon May 15, 2017 10:46 am

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