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Antonov AEW&C project

Mon May 08, 2017 8:35 pm

Antonov is reportedly working on an AEW&C aircraft based on the An-148.
The aircraft is intended for the Ukrainian Air Force and export customers.

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http://defence-blog.com/news/antonov-to ... force.html
 
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Mon May 08, 2017 9:05 pm

Is that the Ericson pod on top?

Ok Antonov, really the An-148DRLV how am I suppose to remember that ;)
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Mon May 08, 2017 9:08 pm

On a related note, where did Ukraine get the Su-27 and Mig-29 in 2015 from? Looks like two each? I suppose Russia is out of the question.

http://defence-blog.com/army/armed-forc ... icles.html
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Mon May 08, 2017 9:26 pm

Dutchy wrote:
On a related note, where did Ukraine get the Su-27 and Mig-29 in 2015 from? Looks like two each? I suppose Russia is out of the question.

http://defence-blog.com/army/armed-forc ... icles.html


Those are Ukrainian aircraft refurbished by Ukrainian firms.

In the case of the Mig-29s, the aircraft were refurbished by the Lviv State Aircraft Repair Plant.

http://www.lsarp.com.ua/main_eng.html

In the case of the Su-27s, the aircraft were overhauled by Migremont in Zaporizhia.

http://www.migremont.zp.ua/
 
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Tue May 09, 2017 6:22 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Is that the Ericson pod on top?


It certainly looks very similar. The specifications and dimensions are also very similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erieye
 
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Wed May 10, 2017 8:30 am

Dutchy wrote:
On a related note, where did Ukraine get the Su-27 and Mig-29 in 2015 from? Looks like two each? I suppose Russia is out of the question.

http://defence-blog.com/army/armed-forc ... icles.html


From the large stocks of former Soviet aircraft left behind in Ukraine in a non-flyable condition. As an example, when Russia took Crimea, they found 45 MiG-29s at an airbase there, by far the most of the in a non-flyable condition. These were returned, and are among those being put into service now.
 
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Wed May 10, 2017 10:07 am

VSMUT wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
On a related note, where did Ukraine get the Su-27 and Mig-29 in 2015 from? Looks like two each? I suppose Russia is out of the question.

http://defence-blog.com/army/armed-forc ... icles.html


From the large stocks of former Soviet aircraft left behind in Ukraine in a non-flyable condition. As an example, when Russia took Crimea, they found 45 MiG-29s at an airbase there, by far the most of the in a non-flyable condition. These were returned, and are among those being put into service now.


Ukraine has - on paper - quite a large airforce: http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/ukraine/index.php

How many are actually in flyable condition or operational?

Ukrainian Air Force
12x An-12 Cub tactical transport
13x An-24 Coke tactical transport
28x An-26 Curl tactical transport
8x An-30 Clank surveillance
3x An-70 deliveries from 2011
42x Il-76 Candid heavy transport
18x Il-78 Midas air-to-air refueling
..x L-39 Albatros advanced flying training
170x Mi-8 Hip medium-lift transport
100x Mi-17 Hip medium-lift transport
60x Mi-24 Hind anti-armour attack
10x Mi-26 Halo heavy-lift transport
217x MiG-29 Fulcrum air defence
104x Su-24 Fencer ground attack
30x Su-25 Frogfoot close air support
5x Su-25UB Frogfoot operational conversion
65x Su-27 Flanker air defence
2x Tu-134 Crusty VIP transport
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Thu May 11, 2017 3:37 pm

Dutchy wrote:
How many are actually in flyable condition or operational?


Wikipedia is quite accurate, since it is based on Flight Internationals annual reviews. For 2017, the most common types should be:

MiG-29: 21/217
Su-24: 12/104
Su-25: 13/35
Su-27: 18/65
Il-76/78: 5/60
Mi-24: 34/60
Mi-8: 53/170
An-24/26/30/32: 27/49

I find it doubtful that they will ever get a fraction of those types operational again though. The majority of non-operational frames are probably deteriorated beyond the point of return, and Ukraine has a miniscule budget, even by eastern-European standards. Even looking at the ground forces, they have so far failed to bring back more than a handful of the 10.000+ tanks they inherited from the USSR, and tanks can withstand (even bad) storage conditions considerably better than a combat aircraft, and is much easier to upgrade too.
 
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:58 pm

Work on one or more Antonov AEW&C projects has been going on since some time.

In August last year, a high official of the Ukrainian Air Force was quoted in the media saying that Antonov was developing an AEW&C aircraft for the Ukrainian Air Force.

The media articles were accompanied by drawings of An-178/148 family (or similar) aircraft with an An-71-style tailtop radar dome.

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http://military-informant.com/airforca/ ... eniya.html


Dutchy wrote:
Is that the Ericson pod on top?


Apparently, Ericsson and Antonov were already in talks about the possibility of placing the Ericsson radar on Antonov aircraft under the presidency of Yushenko (2004-2010).


VSMUT wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
How many are actually in flyable condition or operational?


Wikipedia is quite accurate, since it is based on Flight Internationals annual reviews. For 2017, the most common types should be:

MiG-29: 21/217
Su-24: 12/104
Su-25: 13/35
Su-27: 18/65
Il-76/78: 5/60
Mi-24: 34/60
Mi-8: 53/170
An-24/26/30/32: 27/49



The Flight International data are outdated. But since this is off-topic here, I will respond with greater detail in the Ukrainian Air Power thread.
 
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Re: Antonov AEW&C project

Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:53 am

Scipio wrote:
Work on one or more Antonov AEW&C projects has been going on since some time.

In August last year, a high official of the Ukrainian Air Force was quoted in the media saying that Antonov was developing an AEW&C aircraft for the Ukrainian Air Force.

The media articles were accompanied by drawings of An-178/148 family (or similar) aircraft with an An-71-style tailtop radar dome.



I am pretty sure thats not an An-148/178 based aircraft, but an An-74TK-300 (the An-72/74 with engines under the wings), fitted with the AEW modifications of the An-71 and a new nose section. Still, a nice looking jet. I wonder if China will end up with a bunch.

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