Norway has today officially ordered 5 P-8 Poseidon as replacements for the aging P-3 Orion and DA-20 Jet Falcon fleets. The procurement is part of the United States' "Foreign Military Sales" programme. Deliveries begin 2022, and the final aircraft is delivered in 2023.
In Norwegian:
http://luftfart.media/2017/03/29/norge- ... -poseidon/
(We had a thread regarding this previously, but I can't find it. Please move this thread if necessary.)
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Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
Guess the Norwegians have arrived to the party before the Koreans. Should be expecting the Norwegian flag to hang on the P-8A factory wall soon.
The previous thread is here:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1340183
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The previous thread is here:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1340183
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Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
bikerthai wrote:Guess the Norwegians have arrived to the party before the Koreans. Should be expecting the Norwegian flag to hang on the P-8A factory wall soon.
The previous thread is here:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1340183
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Thanks dude, I posted there as well. If moderators find it necessary, please delete this thread.
Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
This is great News ! An important asset for Norway
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I can't see how 5 aircraft will be enough, they will be taking over the roles currently undertaken by 8 aircraft.
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Kiwirob wrote:I can't see how 5 aircraft will be enough, they will be taking over the roles currently undertaken by 8 aircraft.
There was a short discussion about this in the other thread.
My guess was that the 5 P-8's would concentrate on the sub-hunting role. Others added that Norway would follow on with a Triton order to supplement the P-8. For the coastal patrol role, they can go with a smaller platform or move all the P-3's into that role.
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Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
bikerthai wrote:Kiwirob wrote:I can't see how 5 aircraft will be enough, they will be taking over the roles currently undertaken by 8 aircraft.
There was a short discussion about this in the other thread.
My guess was that the 5 P-8's would concentrate on the sub-hunting role. Others added that Norway would follow on with a Triton order to supplement the P-8. For the coastal patrol role, they can go with a smaller platform or move all the P-3's into that role.
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They won't keep the P3's. Sadly the current government mantra seem to reduce the number of material and focus on high Tech, rather than volume. They are also gonna replace 6 submarines With only 4 New ones ... It's sad.
I don't understand how the P8 can replace the DA20's ? Can the P-8 do jamming and electronic warfare ?
Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
The 6 Ula class subs replaced 15 Kobben class subs. But you are correct 4 can't be in as many places as 6, ditto for the Hercs how can 4 be enough?
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Yep, we keep ordering fewer replacements every time. The 4 Hercs are supplemented with the Papa based C-5 Galaxies when needed, but in a crisis situation they might not be available as fast as the C-130s are. And 4 submarines is a bare minimum. There's always going to be one or two in maintenance, we see that with the Nansen Frigates as well.
As far as I understand, the P-8 Poseidon will take over the electronic surveillance role the DA-20 Jet Falcons are doing at the moment. Included in the contract is a new torpedo which is designed to be dropped from high altitude and then "fly" down to the surface. There's no mention of JSM (Joint Strike Missile) integration in the P-8s, but Kongsberg Defence is hoping it will happen down the line.
As far as I understand, the P-8 Poseidon will take over the electronic surveillance role the DA-20 Jet Falcons are doing at the moment. Included in the contract is a new torpedo which is designed to be dropped from high altitude and then "fly" down to the surface. There's no mention of JSM (Joint Strike Missile) integration in the P-8s, but Kongsberg Defence is hoping it will happen down the line.
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Mortyman wrote:Can the P-8 do jamming and electronic warfare ?
Not sure about jamming, but they have been electronically snooping around the South China Seas for a while.
The P-8 system is flexible enough to accommodate new capabilities as technology comes along. Boeing has pitch "add-on" pods that can be attached to the plane for these capabilities.
I believe they have test fired harpoons from the platform. Not sure about the JDM.
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It's proabably not possible to add them into the weapons bay, but can the JSM missile be added to the wings ? How much work will such a thing be ?
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Mortyman wrote:It's proabably not possible to add them into the weapons bay, but can the JSM missile be added to the wings ? How much work will such a thing be ?
If anything, I think we'll see them on hardpoints under the wings. Like you said, I don't think they'll fit in the weapons bay without major modifications.
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The weapon bay is rather small. I believe it can handle depth bombs, the small air dropped torpedo's, maybe SBD's down the line.
As for the additional electronic add-ons . . .
Pictures are out there . . .
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-na ... 1718488424
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As for the additional electronic add-ons . . .
Pictures are out there . . .
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-na ... 1718488424
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Mortyman wrote:It's proabably not possible to add them into the weapons bay, but can the JSM missile be added to the wings ? How much work will such a thing be ?
The wing weapon mount is pretty much standard. To integrate any new weapon system would require updating the weapon system computing software (relatively easy). It will also require wind-tunnel, ground and air testing to verify flight and structural dynamics of the aircraft with the specific weapon mounted (this is very important for wing mounted hardware). Finally it would require to weapon drop and live fire testing.
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JSM's on Boeing P-8 would look insane ...
JSM on the wing of an F-35:
JSM's on the wing of an F-18:
JSM in the bay of an F-35A:
JSM on the wing of an F-35:
JSM's on the wing of an F-18:
JSM in the bay of an F-35A:
Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
JSM tested on F-16's:
Re: Norway orders 5 P-8 Poseidon - replacing P-3 and DA-20
Awesome pictures 
Looks like a fearsome weapon. Don't want to be on the receiving end of that one. Hopefully they'll get many more sales. The Germans are the latest to invest in the Naval Strike Missile version I believe.
5 RNoAF P-8 Poseidons mixed with 48 or so F-35s with JSMs should be a great mix for defending and patrolling the North Atlantic. Especially when we consider the RAF and RN contribution with the exact same type of aircraft in even greater numbers. Makes cooperation much easier.
Looks like a fearsome weapon. Don't want to be on the receiving end of that one. Hopefully they'll get many more sales. The Germans are the latest to invest in the Naval Strike Missile version I believe.5 RNoAF P-8 Poseidons mixed with 48 or so F-35s with JSMs should be a great mix for defending and patrolling the North Atlantic. Especially when we consider the RAF and RN contribution with the exact same type of aircraft in even greater numbers. Makes cooperation much easier.
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