Iran’s Qaher 313 fighter jet almost ready

Dutchy · Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:04 am

Interesting development. Wonder how it will look in the sky

From the article: "Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan announced that the Qaher 313 single-seat stealth fighter jet.

Hossein Dehqan claimed on Sunday that his country had entered the final stage of the production of a home-made fighter jet known as the Qaher 313 fighter jet, adding that the plane is ready for different tests."

http://defence-blog.com/news/irans-defe ... ready.html

flyingturtle · Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:06 pm

WHAT?

Reminds me of the film called "Stealth"...

David

shamrock15 · Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:55 pm

Let's see - judging by the height of the man at the front wheel, this might be about 25 feet long. Not a lot of room to install a powerful engine, fuel, avionics and weaponry.

Ozair · Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:54 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Interesting development. Wonder how it will look in the sky

Does it actually have an engine installed?

Dutchy · Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:11 pm

Ozair wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Interesting development. Wonder how it will look in the sky

Does it actually have an engine installed?

Apparently a reverse engineered variant of the General Electric J85 turbojet that powers among others the F-5 / T-38 / CT114 / Fiat G.91Y. It looks like a single engined craft, so it will be in the category of the Fiat G.91Y, light attack plane.

Tugger · Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:13 pm

How much air can those inlets allow in? They look very small and the placement does not appear optimum.

Tugg

tommy1808 · Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:38 am

Dutchy wrote:
It looks like a single engined craft, so it will be in the category of the Fiat G.91Y, light attack plane.

Which has 2x of those.

best regards
Thomas

Dutchy · Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:53 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
It looks like a single engined craft, so it will be in the category of the Fiat G.91Y, light attack plane.

Which has 2x of those.

best regards
Thomas

You are right, you learn something everyday, Fiat G.91 is a single engine and the Y variant has two engines. But this a/c seems to be underpowered then.

neutrino · Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Dutchy wrote:
But this a/c seems to be underpowered then.

Maybe not, They could have used some exotic material for the frame, like Durasteel or Adamantium.

VSMUT · Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:26 pm

neutrino wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
But this a/c seems to be underpowered then.

Maybe not, They could have used some exotic material for the frame, like Durasteel or Adamantium.

Or glass-fibre and wood

Dutchy · Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:04 pm

VSMUT wrote:
neutrino wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
But this a/c seems to be underpowered then.

Maybe not, They could have used some exotic material for the frame, like Durasteel or Adamantium.

Or glass-fibre and wood

Kind of DeHavilland mosquito 2.0

VSMUT · Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:00 pm

Dutchy wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
neutrino wrote:
Maybe not, They could have used some exotic material for the frame, like Durasteel or Adamantium.

Or glass-fibre and wood

Kind of DeHavilland mosquito 2.0

It does look a little bit like a mosquito, and the noise made by the Iranians boasting about it is remarkably similar to the sound made by a mosquito buzzing your head when you try to fall asleep.

Dutchy · Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:14 pm

Great! We have a nickname: Qaher 313 Mosquito II

moo · Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:21 pm

Looks like a cross between the Boeing Bird of Prey:

And the X-36:

iamlucky13 · Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:39 pm

If I ever even thought of strapping an aircraft part like that, I'd be looking for another job. Clearly they're not worried about damaging any RAM coating or even the structure itself.

I was wondering if we would ever see any more of this since the early April Fool's prank 4 years ago:
https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/04/i ... annot-fly/

I wonder if they actually do intend to fly it, and how it will do. Assuming it is even capable of stable flight, just think about how highly loaded the canards must be, even with the engine installed as far back as they can fit it.

The air inlets are probably my favorite part. Were they prioritizing low RCS to ground-based radars above all other considerations, or do they somehow not realize even low AoA will cause flameouts?

kmz · Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:11 am

maybe the whole things is a joke. Looking at the junk in the background of the first picture below, this cannot be some kind of a air force base, but more some back yard where somebody is doing a great job with his/her hobby

VSMUT · Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:17 pm

kmz wrote:
maybe the whole things is a joke. Looking at the junk in the background of the first picture below, this cannot be some kind of a air force base, but more some back yard where somebody is doing a great job with his/her hobby

There is nothing out of the ordinary in that. Outside the west and the US, that is more likely to be the norm, not the exception.

Francoflier · Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:53 am

iamlucky13 wrote:
Clearly they're not worried about damaging any RAM coating

Is that what you call enamel paint these days?
:duck:

This thing looks to be the same fiberglass Gundam-manga mockup they 'revealed' a few years ago...
And what's happened to the main gear? Did it break off already?

It looks to me more like someone is spring-cleaning an old movie prop out of a hangar. I'd love to see it fly, provided the absurd aerodynamics even allow it, but I won't hold my breath.

GDB · Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:22 am

Almost ready for what? Boxing up to be sold to hobbyists?

iamlucky13 · Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:09 am

Francoflier wrote:
iamlucky13 wrote:
Clearly they're not worried about damaging any RAM coating

Is that what you call enamel paint these days?

Pretty much.

I personally wonder if it's being moved to be put on display somewhere to showcase the advanced technology that Iran is already moving beyond - Here's our incredible prototype. Just imagine how amazing the final version will be, which we can't show you, because we don't want the West to know our true capabilities.

Tugger · Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:27 pm

The canopy seems to have an issue, it appears to not be crystal clear. Looks a little like my old skylight after they got old. Maybe they forgot to use the UV resistant material...

I also remember this video from when it debuted, claiming to be the aircraft in flight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Aynt78r00

:rotfl:

Tugg

neutrino · Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:08 pm

Tugger wrote:
The canopy seems to have an issue, it appears to not be crystal clear. Looks a little like my old skylight after they got old. Maybe they forgot to use the UV resistant material...
Tugg

They are using Dreamlineresque technology. Electro-variable opaqueness.

johns624 · Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:27 pm

Tugger wrote:
The canopy seems to have an issue, it appears to not be crystal clear. Looks a little like my old skylight after they got old. Maybe they forgot to use the UV resistant material...

I also remember this video from when it debuted, claiming to be the aircraft in flight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Aynt78r00

Tugg

That must be the world's widest runway at the beginning of that video.

BawliBooch · Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:54 am

Is it just me or does the video of the aircraft in flight look like an RC model?

Check the scale!

iamlucky13 · Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:21 pm

BawliBooch wrote:
Is it just me or does the video of the aircraft in flight look like an RC model?

Check the scale!

Maybe it's just really far away and flying really fast!

Aesma · Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:36 am

It quite obviously is the same prop as years ago, they couldn't even manage to make it look a little bit more real by strapping a main landing gear. Clearly 0 effort put into this !

firemansparky · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:34 am

Dutchy wrote:
Interesting development. Wonder how it will look in the sky

From the article: "Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan announced that the Qaher 313 single-seat stealth fighter jet.

Hossein Dehqan claimed on Sunday that his country had entered the final stage of the production of a home-made fighter jet known as the Qaher 313 fighter jet, adding that the plane is ready for different tests."

http://defence-blog.com/news/irans-defe ... ready.html

Interesting. In the linked article, take a close look at the nose gear in the main photo. Looks like a single wheel configuration. Now look at the photo on the right side of the same page. Looks like a twin wheel configuration to me.

'sparky

petertenthije · Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:03 am

firemansparky wrote:
Interesting. In the linked article, take a close look at the nose gear in the main photo. Looks like a single wheel configuration. Now look at the photo on the right side of the same page. Looks like a twin wheel configuration to me.

'sparky

It also seems to have gained an engine.

http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-condu ... light.html

Dutchy · Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:16 pm

petertenthije wrote:
firemansparky wrote:
Interesting. In the linked article, take a close look at the nose gear in the main photo. Looks like a single wheel configuration. Now look at the photo on the right side of the same page. Looks like a twin wheel configuration to me.

'sparky
It also seems to have gained an engine.

http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-condu ... light.html

Good find, Peter! So it's a twin, which makes much more sense. And it moves, taxi test can be seen.

firemansparky wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Interesting development. Wonder how it will look in the sky

firemansparky wrote:
Interesting. In the linked article, take a close look at the nose gear in the main photo. Looks like a single wheel configuration. Now look at the photo on the right side of the same page. Looks like a twin wheel configuration to me.

'sparky

If you look at the clip, you see it is a twin wheel configuration. Quite a difference between the article I linked and this, twin engines and twin nose wheel.

Dano1977 · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
firemansparky wrote:
Interesting. In the linked article, take a close look at the nose gear in the main photo. Looks like a single wheel configuration. Now look at the photo on the right side of the same page. Looks like a twin wheel configuration to me.

'sparky
It also seems to have gained an engine.

http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-condu ... light.html

Good find, Peter! So it's a twin, which makes much more sense. And it moves, taxi test can be seen.
firemansparky wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Interesting development. Wonder how it will look in the sky

If you look at the clip, you see it is a twin wheel configuration. Quite a difference between the article I linked and this, twin engines and twin nose wheel.

Is it me... But it looks a little fragile!

Tugger · Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:27 am

Dutchy wrote:
If you look at the clip, you see it is a twin wheel configuration. Quite a difference between the article I linked and this, twin engines and twin nose wheel.

Gotta love it! The great thing is that it is so easy to add an engine to the design! Very flexible. Canopy is still tough to see through but I'm sure it's advanced design ensure that seeing out is unnecessary.

Tugg

iamlucky13 · Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:07 am

Well color me surprised.

It's not just a different nose gear and an extra engine. It's a completely different "aircraft." Possibly even an attempt at a real aircraft.

Aside from the video looking at a glance like an actual aircraft taxiing, including heat distortion from the engines, it looks a bit bigger. The wing span looks larger and the engines seem to extend further behind the wing. The cockpit canopy is not two pieces. There's something under the nose that looks like it's supposed to be a small pan-tilt camera.

Also it makes some really inspiring orchestral music when it taxis.

JetBuddy · Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:16 am

I wonder how stealthy this thing really is. And if it even flies.

bhill · Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:09 pm

Ahhh...the Trump fighter jet...hugely, bigly fantastic wonderful fighter jet...alot cheaper than the F-35 program you know...

Slug71 · Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:31 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
If I ever even thought of strapping an aircraft part like that, I'd be looking for another job. Clearly they're not worried about damaging any RAM coating or even the structure itself.

In fairness, I highly doubt any RAM would be applied to early prototypes.

Slug71 · Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:43 pm

The new canopy looks a little disproportionate to the rest of the body too. Looks too large.

Despite the doubts, i'll give that it is an interesting design.

Aesma · Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:06 am

JetBuddy wrote:
I wonder how stealthy this thing really is. And if it even flies.

Plywood at ground level is pretty stealthy.

Tugger · Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:12 am

Aesma wrote:
Plywood at ground level is pretty stealthy.

Blends in with the trees...

Tugg

Channex757 · Sun Apr 23, 2017 2:54 pm

I'm more amused by the intake design. High angle of attack and those intakes will wash right out, giving some nice compressor stalls

vrbarreto · Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:06 pm

Fools!!!!! The air intake is for show.. It's actually powered by a stalasha gravimetric engine....

petertenthije · Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:15 pm

vrbarreto wrote:
Fools!!!!! The air intake is for show.. It's actually powered by a stalasha gravimetric engine....

Let's call it Isil'Zha while we're at it.

(obscure reference is obscure)

aviationaware · Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:16 pm

They should have invested their money into managing to reproduce the parts for their F-14s they are missing to keep them flying, but instead they chose to embarrass themselves with a wooden model that an amateur can see would never fly let alone perform anywhere close to what a fighter jet needs to perform like.

Considering it's probably made of wood, maybe they want to complete the picture and have it do a barrel roll after takeoff to enable those air intakes to climb at all?

SAS A340 · Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:35 am

Wonder about those funny placed air intakes how effective they are when pulling full throttle and take the stick towards you...... :roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c6woYkp2FU

iamlucky13 · Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:35 pm

Slug71 wrote:
iamlucky13 wrote:
If I ever even thought of strapping an aircraft part like that, I'd be looking for another job. Clearly they're not worried about damaging any RAM coating or even the structure itself.

In fairness, I highly doubt any RAM would be applied to early prototypes.

Even without RAM, that would be a terrible way to restrain an aircraft. But since that's the old mockup, I'm sure they don't care.

flipdewaf · Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:27 am

I love how in the video you never actually see it start moving under its own power, only continue moving as if just out of shot there might be 6 blokes puffing with their hands on their knees after pushing it.

Fred

TWA772LR · Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:10 pm

Am I the only one that thinks this looks like a cheesy happy meal toy?

TWA772LR · Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:10 pm

Am I the only one that thinks this looks like a cheesy happy meal toy?

USAF336TFS · Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:16 pm

See what we got for our little $400 million "investment" after the nuke deal? Or was it $1.2 Billion...

LMP737 · Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:39 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks this looks like a cheesy happy meal toy?

Hollywood did a better job. Maybe they should have called them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_(film)#/media/File:ASW_Fake_FA37_1.jpg

zeke · Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:18 pm

That tug is so small.

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