Canadian CF-18 has crashed. Pilot did not survive
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Re: Pilot killed as CF-18 crashes near Cold Lake
Mortyman wrote:Canadian CF-18 has crashed. Pilot did not survive
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pilot-ki ... -1.3180360
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Sorry to hear it. I knew numerous Canadian Hornet aircrew so hoping it is not one of them.
Canada doesn't have a great record flying Hornets out of Cold Lake or flying Hornets in general.
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Ozair wrote:Sorry to hear it. I knew numerous Canadian Hornet aircrew so hoping it is not one of them.
Canada doesn't have a great record flying Hornets out of Cold Lake or flying Hornets in general.
Do you have something to back that up like an internal CAF report or something of that sort? Or is this just more F-35 cheer leading?
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The Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) said there have been 19 crashes involving CF-18 Hornets. Of those incidents, 11 have included fatalities.
http://globalnews.ca/news/309472/cf-18- ... e-crashes/
http://globalnews.ca/news/309472/cf-18- ... e-crashes/
Re: Pilot killed as CF-18 crashes near Cold Lake
LMP737 wrote:Ozair wrote:Sorry to hear it. I knew numerous Canadian Hornet aircrew so hoping it is not one of them.
Canada doesn't have a great record flying Hornets out of Cold Lake or flying Hornets in general.
Do you have something to back that up like an internal CAF report or something of that sort? Or is this just more F-35 cheer leading?
Not sure what the F-35 has to do with this???
If you review the number of incidents Canada has had with their Hornet fleet compared to other Hornet operators, the statistics are pretty damning. The RAAF has lost a total of four aircraft from 75 acquired and no accident since 1992. The Spanish I believe have lost 6 Hornets to crashes, from 96 aircraft and nothing since 2003. (If anyone has newer data please post). Kuwait has lost one Hornet from 40 ordered with two reported crashes.
The Canadians have lost over twenty from 138 aircraft acquired (and they have been flying a lot less than 138 for quite a few years) with no significant break in incidents across their operational life.
I don't consider the conditions the Canadians fly in to be any worse than what the RAAF has and most Canadian crashes have occurred between April and October. The Canadians have seen more operational hours but most crashes occurred in North America.
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The question is why? Is it due to luck running out? Due to maintenance? Due to lack of training? Or something else. Crash numbers are notorious hard to interpret.
The Dutch, for example, had 63 accidents (some have been repaired though), with their F-16's. Operated since 1979 and 213 ordered.
The Dutch, for example, had 63 accidents (some have been repaired though), with their F-16's. Operated since 1979 and 213 ordered.
Re: Pilot killed as CF-18 crashes near Cold Lake
Dutchy wrote:The question is why? Is it due to luck running out? Due to maintenance? Due to lack of training? Or something else. Crash numbers are notorious hard to interpret.
The Dutch, for example, had 63 accidents (some have been repaired though), with their F-16's. Operated since 1979 and 213 ordered.
The number of write-offs is much lower - 36? The number of 63 must include pretty minor incidents.
A useful yardstick is write-offs per x flying hours.
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Yes, peter, but NATO countries will fly aprox the same number of hours, right?
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RCAF update on the crash
[urlhttp://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/flight-safety/article-template-flight-safety.page?doc=cf188747-hornet-from-the-investigator/izkjob7m][/url]
I'm wondering if G-LOC could cause an accident like this? Not speculating that G-LOC caused this tragic accident, however could a pilot black out at 5.6 Gs?
[urlhttp://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/flight-safety/article-template-flight-safety.page?doc=cf188747-hornet-from-the-investigator/izkjob7m][/url]
I'm wondering if G-LOC could cause an accident like this? Not speculating that G-LOC caused this tragic accident, however could a pilot black out at 5.6 Gs?
Re: Pilot killed as CF-18 crashes near Cold Lake
cumulushumilis wrote:RCAF update on the crash
[urlhttp://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/flight-safety/article-template-flight-safety.page?doc=cf188747-hornet-from-the-investigator/izkjob7m][/url]
I'm wondering if G-LOC could cause an accident like this? Not speculating that G-LOC caused this tragic accident, however could a pilot black out at 5.6 Gs?
It is possible to black out at 5.6 Gs but it really depends on the circumstances.
Before engaging in a high G mission most NATO aircrew are trained to do a G warm, where they fly a 4g maxing at 5g turn. In doing so they don't do any of the standard breathing and tightening of muscles (g straining) that aides handling G. This warms the body and brain up for the higher G to come later. You can get close to blacking out at that 5g limit.
Questions are, was his G suit plugged in properly and functioning as it probably should have allowed him to function at 5.6 G. Did he conduct standard G straining or was caught out when his turn and bank was higher than expected? Did he conduct a G warm?
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Interesting twist: The lead pilot involved in this crash was court martialed, and fined $2000 after pleading guilty to flying his CF-18 jet too low during a training mission where his wingman died after a crash:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/cf-18-fig ... -1.4265047
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/cf-18-fig ... -1.4265047
According to the agreed statement of facts, the pilots were under pressure to drop all of their bombs before returning to base.
Mileusnic's heads-up-display was flickering, not showing consistent altitude information as required by flight rules.
Despite the problem he continued making bomb runs with his wingman, Capt. Thomas McQueen.
"During the last target run, Captain McQueen flew the target run-in at 450 feet AGL with Captain Mileusnic in a three mile trail position. While conducting the safe escape manoeuvre, Captain McQueen inadvertently flew into terrain and died instantly," reads the statement of facts.
"The actions of Captain Mileusnic during the Swift flight are in no way alleged to have contributed to the crash and death of Captain McQueen."
At Monday's court martial Mileusnic pleaded guilty to flying an aircraft at a height less than the minimum height authorized in the circumstances.
He was also charged with negligently performing a military duty imposed on him and negligently committing an act deemed dangerous to life.
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