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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Some more insights from Elon Musk have been released about human travel to Mars and to other places in the Solar System. I continue to be skeptical and think that planetary probes, rovers and robotics are the best approach...Sending humans would court disaster if it is feasible at all. But, let's all hear him out -- here is the latest, hot off the press from Elon...

http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdfplu ... .29009.emu

...And here is a skeptical reply that I mostly agree with...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... _mars.html
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:14 am

More news about crewed Dragon and the Mars spaceship(s). Going to lose the landing legs and do water landings like Apollo instead...

https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/07/19/p ... spaceship/

Key quote about Mars transport on BFR...

A vision for gigantic interplanetary transporters Musk presented last year has been downsized, he said.

“It’s a little smaller, still big, but I think this one’s got a shot at being real on the economic front,” Musk said, adding that he might present more details at this year’s International Astronautical Congress in Adelaide, Australia.

...So stay tuned.
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:54 pm

Today, Elon Musk suggested that SpaceX will abandon its plans to land the company’s Dragon capsule on Mars — a mission the company had been aiming to do as early as 2020.

SpaceX will not fully develop the landing technique it was going to use to land the Dragon on Mars. Known as the Red Dragon mission, the capsule was meant to lower itself to solid ground using engines embedded in its hull, and then touch down gently on landing legs in a method known as propulsive landing. But Musk said the company will come up with another way to land vehicles on the Martian surface.


https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/19/1599 ... rs-mission

tl;dr propulsive landing not for Dragon, probably for something bigger though.
 
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:46 am

Some news should be coming this week from the International Astronautical Congress (IAC) in Australia where on Friday, Elon Musk will update his plans for sending people to Mars (and other planets). We know that some scaling down is planned for the Big F**k**g Rocket (BFR)...

"...For this year, we might expect more realism. Already, Musk has suggested the big rocket will be scaled down to a 9-meter diameter, which would fit inside SpaceX's existing rocket factory. By scaling back to 9 meters, Musk likely intends to remove the outer ring of 21 Raptor engines, leaving a vehicle with 21 engines instead of the original 42. While still complicated to manage during launch and flight, 21 engines seems more reasonable. Such a vehicle would also have about 50 percent less mass...."

Realistic or not, SpaceX does some great video, here's the latest: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4553439/e ... rs-voyage/

But how is it all going to be paid for $$$ ??? Looking forward to what Elon has to say tomorrow, for now, here's more info...

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09 ... ch-friday/

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/ ... 707615001/
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:47 pm

Really looking forward to what he says.
I think this scaling down sounds eminently sensible.Particulary with its relationship to fitting existing facilities.If he does join forces in any way with NASA then of course he has (albeit expensive) a super heavy lifter just waiting for a job to do!
I also read that the new engines and systems/fuel can be fitted to a Falcon.So that would be a useful upgrade.Also the new 'smaller' rocket will make a great commercial heavylifter.
Personally what I want to hear from Elon is not fantasy colonisation of Mars but how to get 'the professional 'guys there first (and their equipment/life support etc ie. Like the recent film)for proper scientific investigation.
 
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:25 am

Here it is...The big news is how to fund becoming a multi-planet species. Replace Falcon-9 and Falcon-Heavy with this new Mars capable BFR rocket and spaceship. Launching satellites pays for the development. Then the moon, Mars and more starting in five years -- see Elon's plan for yourself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5V7R_se1Xc

Maybe this should be in the Civil Aviation Forum too...At the end, Musk shows how the BFR will also become a passenger rocket-liner which will connect most places on earth in less than 30 minutes...no airport needed -- just land the rocket and passengers on barges near cites. Airbus and Boeing are going out of business! Still all surrealistic too me ??
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:58 am

More musings about Mars travel and Elon Musk's presentation. The microbe issue is an interesting one. Could we contaminate Mars -- or Mars contaminate Earth?

https://theconversation.com/dear-elon-m ... dles-84948
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:16 am

QuarkFly wrote:
The microbe issue is an interesting one. Could we contaminate Mars


If we can, we already did. While we try our best to send our probes clean, they are not free of microbes, not even close.

-- or Mars contaminate Earth?


Maybe Mars already did that too, not likely, but we have found rocks that likely came from Mars.

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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:41 am

QuarkFly wrote:
.At the end, Musk shows how the BFR will also become a passenger rocket-liner which will connect most places on earth in less than 30 minutes...no airport needed -- just land the rocket and passengers on barges near cites. Airbus and Boeing are going out of business! Still all surrealistic too me ??


It's a question of reliability.

If Musk or someone else can demonstrate an appropriate level of reliability and safety, associated with sufficient hardware reusability to drive down costs, then why not?

But safety and reliability in modern commercial aviation is counted in events / millions of cycles... Rockets are faaaaaaaaarr from being able to demonstrate anywhere near these numbers. He has so far been able to reuse a rocket twice... Airliners fly thousands of cycles before any major maintenance.
We're several orders of magnitude away from the safety numbers regulators would probably want to see before allowing mass commercial rocket travel. I'm not saying we won't get there, but it's not going to happen tomorrow.
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:57 am

Some negative commentaries about going to Mars...maybe a bit biased or unfair, but the technological issues aside -- not everybody is on board for a trip to Mars yet...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4d733e941d

...and this article suggests Musk may be an exploitative sociopath -- his Mars colonist should beware...

https://www.salon.com/2017/10/08/agains ... rrify-you/
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Re: Sorry Elon, You're Not Going to Colonize Planets

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:23 am

QuarkFly wrote:
Some negative commentaries about going to Mars...maybe a bit biased or unfair, but the technological issues aside -- not everybody is on board for a trip to Mars yet...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4d733e941d


ROFL.
If they let him the author would still prefer living on trees, scratching his itches and munching a banana.

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