The exact contracts are always classified, but my air force generals claim that the lifetime costs of a fighter are about five times higher than the initial purchase price, excluding local salaries etc.
So if you buy a fleet of 100 fighters with 100 billion you should prepare to pay 500 billion more. For a typical use that exceeds billion dollar a year.
Yimby, you still haven’t provided a source and the sustainment costs of fighter aircraft are often available if you know where to look. Just to be very clear, I will provide another source on RAAF Sustainment costs.
In 2012 the ANAO, using Australian Department of Defence data, found the following,
So we can be very clear, overall cost to sustain the classic Hornet fleet for a 12 year period was $1.4 billion compared to the acquisition cost of the fleet at $4.4 billion dollars. The cost to sustain the fleet from 2012 to 2021 is higher at $1.5 billion but given the jet is entering the twilight of its service career with most frames having high hours that shouldn’t be a surprise.
So what does that mean for yearly sustainment costs? Approximately $116 million per year for the sustainment through the twelve year period. For an average service life of type of 30 years that is approximately $3.5 billion. Include upgrades and refurbishment of $4 billion and perhaps a couple of billion for infrastructure upgrades and we arrive at a grand total of approximately 10 billion dollars.
That is remarkably consistent with the industry standard claim of two to three times the acquisition price of the jet in sustainment costs.
Just to make sure you understand, the RAAF is not a second tier air force. It flies and fights top of the line aircraft (the most capable classic hornets in the world) and highly trained aircrew who get good hours each year.
If you can guarantee the maintenance costs of a major F-35 fleet to be 100 M a year I would buy it tomorrow.
BTW, your claims seem to be more extraordinary than mine, so you should show evidence instead of just blaming me.
My claims are not extraordinary, they are based on factual data…
As for F-35 sustainment costs, the US currently estimates it will cost them approximately US$1 trillion dollars (in then year dolloars) to sustain US F-35 aircraft, 2447 of them, over a 50 year period. That is approximately 8 million per year per F-35. Over a 50 year lifetime then the US expects an F-35 to cost approximately 400 million, of which approximately 30% is inflation and not direct operating costs.
Think what. With your intelligence, you certainly can get it. The climate change is larger risk for the Earth than a local apocalypse in Europe.
And climate change has what to do with this discussion on sustainment costs of military fighter jets?
So you are not trying to sell them to non-partner nations? Or do not care of them?
I’m not trying to sell anything, the JSF program on the other hand certainly wants to sell as many as they can. As already stated, when a new nation that is not a partner of the JSF program acquires the jet it joins the sustainment program and usually will acquire the jet via FMS, meaning the US represents their interests to the JSF program.
They claim that rather explicitly, see their homepage and quotes of salesmen in Brazil and India. Of course, sales talk is sales talk and no one who knows the actual contents is allowed to leak it here.
Gripen C's foreign content.
An example you requested. Don't play fool. The world is not just US and its allies.
This whole conversation has been based on the withdrawl of US support for a fighter jet. Poland and other NATO countries support for Russian Airframes has nothing to do with it and is frankly a poor example given that Russia themselves struggled to sustain their own aircraft for almost 20 years.
If you are at war, like Ukraine against Russia, every agreement is void. Air forces are not more sacred than armies or civil sector.
Can you give counterevidence that Ukraine, Irak, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan etc have kept all their agreement, air forces or elsewhere. Even the Nato country Turkey is in breech with many of its commitments.
Yimby, why do I need to give counterevidence? You made a claim which you still have not supported.