rheinwaldner wrote:The F-35 does not replace the F-15E in the US or e.g. in Israel, right? So whose claim is matched with facts?
The USAF is not planning to retire the F-15E until approx. 2040 and Israel's F-15E fleet is relatively new but Israel moving to an all F-35 by 2035 is certainly possible. The F-15E is capable of self escort strike, the Tornado is not.The F-15E is now rated for 12000 hours, the Tornado is not. That should demonstrate clearly the difference between the two.
As for the claim, it is still valid. keesje's continued posting of fake facts and false conclusions does him and no one else any favours on this forum.
While no current F-15E variant operator is scheduled to replace it with the F-35, that should be no surprise. If we look at the Tornado, a less capable long range strike aircraft, then we see two primary operators, the UK and Italy, both replacing it with the F-35. If we look at the RAAF, they replaced the F-111 with the SH which will subsequently be replaced by more F-35 in the mid 2020s.
So based on keesje’s, and not the German Air Force’s, assessment of what is required to replace the Tornado we see some false claims.
IDS range – The F-35 has exceptional long range and certainly meets or exceeds the Tornado when flying comparable configurations and profiles. There is already an engine upgrade option available to increase range by 6-10% and PW and GE are both researching engine upgrades that will push that out another 15-20%.
Two man cockpit – This is a made up requirement. The first thing any aircrew mention when they first fly the F-35 is the incredible increase in situation awareness, and the significantly reduced workload of the pilot to operate the aircraft and the sensor fit. The whole point of the fusion engine is to allow the pilot to have eyes out, instead of eyes in. The F-35 does this better than any other airframe in existence.
2 engines – Another made up requirement. What does an additional engine provide today other than higher maintenance costs? The Vietnam war study posted in the B-52 thread clearly shows that twin engine aircraft in Vietnam did not demonstate better survivability of combat damage than single engine aircraft when using the twin engine configuration that the Tornado has (as the F-4 did in Vietnam) with both next to each other.
UAV control – What does keesje think this actually requires? The USAF has a very good idea, they have been investigating the “loyal wingman” concept for years and the plan all along is for these aircraft to be controlled by F-35/22 aircraft.
The U.S. Air Force is developing new computer algorithms to allow fighter pilots to control armed drones from inside their own cockpits.
The goal of the so-called “Loyal Wingman” initiative is to pair up manned, fifth-generation stealth fighters with unmanned versions of older jets — in order to boost the lethality of both in air combat.
“You take an F-16 and make it totally unmanned,” deputy defense secretary Bob Work told an audience in Washington, D.C. on March 30. “The F-16 is a fourth-generation fighter, and pair it with an F-35, a fifth-generation battle network node, and have those two operating together.”
But the Loyal Wingman concept could also work with other fighters and drones — some already in service, other still on the drawing board. Work said that manned-unmanned teaming is the way of the future. “It is going to happen.”
http://warisboring.com/2018-the-year-u- ... e-wingmen/
seahawk wrote:Early this year the USAf indicated that a mix of additional B-21 and F-35 could replace the Mudhen.
But in the end the debate is moot. The Tornado does no longer penetrate air defences as it now has Storm Shadow and Taurus, which it lacked in the IIPGW.
The German Tornado fleet would fast run out of expensive cruise missiles before it ran out of targets in threat scenarios where penetration of hostile airspace is required. Cruise missiles are also not capable of engaging all targets, including mobile and pop up threats, nor can they make collateral damage assessments and not strike because there is a bus of school children in the area. Cruise missiles are great for a small subset of fixed targets but they are a short term patch to a problem for older airframes, not a solution.