keesje wrote:In the latests deployments the Euro air forces send their Tornado's iso Typhoons, because can carry 2 crew, lots of fuel, PavewayIV or e.g. up to 12 Brimstones.
Put a comparable load on a F35 & has see how far it gets.
What is the range in that config keesje?
How about we look at the numbers and compare.
Tornado
Up to 19,840lbs of external ordnance to include guided air-to-air/air-to-surface missiles, conventional drop bombs, precision-guided ordnance, fuel tanks and mission pods
Info taken from here https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... aft_id=317
F-35A
18,000lbs of fuel all held internally as well as the capability to carry 18,000lb payload.
Difference between the jets is very clear so while trying to compare the F-35 to an F-16 may be fun, it isn’t accurate. The F-35 is above the F-16 in weight class and very comparable to Tornado in payload/range while having the ability to defend itself and retain better than F-16 manoeuvrability and speed with superior sensors and EW capability.
keesje wrote:He dude, let's leave this kind of unsubstantiated bull-shit of the site ok? You are not speakibg on behalf of any one and your continued pushing for the F-35 without listening to anything or anyone is your own problem. Good night.
Actually dude, why don’t you post some facts, links and actual reporting to substantiate your claims. Instead you, as demonstrated already on the last page, cherry pick a line or two from media reporting to support your claims, while ignoring the rest of the article.
As for unsubstantiated, the forum rules are very clear. “When stating facts, statistics or newsworthy bulletins, please be sure to include an HTML link or reference to the publication. If you are merely providing an opinion, please MENTION THIS in your post. It is each member’s responsibility to avoid arguments based on rumours or misinformation. “
If you make a claim that is unsubstantiated by the link you provided, or when you don’t provide a link, then I see no reason why it should not be pointed out. I expect the same standard to be applied to me for anything I post.
As for pushing the F-35, again people seem to confuse pushing one airframe against ensuring the capabilities posted about the F-35 is accurate. Let us be clear, you have done a similar thing with Airbus aircraft in CivAv.
We have reviewed a number of times the requirements that Germany have for Tornado retirement and replacement. The German Air Force has made it very clear what they want from a replacement and how long they expect the Tornado to economically last. Personally, I think the Germans should ditch Nuclear Sharing and go for more Eurofighters, probably a Tranche 4 version of some sort. It makes the most economic sense especially in light of the reluctance of Germany to commit military forces to conflict and a strong preference for a military for home defence only. But, if they opt to acquire an aircraft, they would be mad to choose anything other than F-35.