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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:30 pm

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Thats a plus for Germany, but its not a plus for Airbus, and my point is that Airbus may not want to get into bed with Germany on something else that they can complain about... :)


So what, Germany buys the KC-46A? :rotfl:


Luftwaffe would be equally annoying buying US stuff. ;)
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Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:49 am

Stitch wrote:
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Thats a plus for Germany, but its not a plus for Airbus, and my point is that Airbus may not want to get into bed with Germany on something else that they can complain about... :)


So what, Germany buys the KC-46A? :rotfl:


Can not do, impossible to buy something that never gets finished.
 
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:36 pm

Norway and Germany join the European tanker pool:

Norway, Germany sign MOU to join European refueling plane fleet using Airbus A330 tankers -- fleet to grow to 7 planes


https://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/880413892656209920
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:20 pm

And here is the press release:

Germany and Norway officially joined the European/NATO program to acquire Airbus A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport aircraft along with Netherlands and Luxembourg.

...

The first two aircraft have already been ordered to be delivered from Airbus Defence and Space’s tanker conversion line at Getafe near Madrid in 2020. Five additional aircraft will now be ordered, and that order will include options for up to four further aircraft.


http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... bourg.html
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:32 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
And here is the press release:

Germany and Norway officially joined the European/NATO program to acquire Airbus A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport aircraft along with Netherlands and Luxembourg.

...

The first two aircraft have already been ordered to be delivered from Airbus Defence and Space’s tanker conversion line at Getafe near Madrid in 2020. Five additional aircraft will now be ordered, and that order will include options for up to four further aircraft.


http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... bourg.html


Great news. The Norwegian Ministry of Defense made the decision a while back, but now it's formal. Seems like a great deal for smaller nations that need this capacity, but maintaining a small fleet of tanker-transports would be very expensive. I suppose the arrangement is very similar to the Strategic Airlift Capability operating the C-17s out of Papa Air Base in Hungary.
 
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:47 pm

Good news indeed. I think there's a good chance that the 4 options will be taken up. Plus additional.
 
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Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:06 pm

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Defence minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert of the Netherlands, Defence minister Ursula von der Leyen of Germany, Secretary of State for Defense Francine Closener of Luxembourg and Defence minister Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide of Norway at signing
 
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:55 pm

Will they all be based at Eindhoven?
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:11 pm

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Will they all be based at Eindhoven?


4 at Eindhoven, 3 in Germany https://www.defensie.nl/organisatie/luc ... -transport (in Dutch)
 
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Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:33 pm

Joolde wrote:
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Will they all be based at Eindhoven?


4 at Eindhoven, 3 in Germany https://www.defensie.nl/organisatie/luc ... -transport (in Dutch)


Thanks. So Belgium in 2018 will join, or sign a MOU at least. There should be more than seven craft. Where in Germany will they be based?

Investment for The Netherlands is within the bandwidth of 250m - 1bn (!), no shit, Ministry of Defense :D
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:13 am

Dutchy wrote:
Joolde wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Will they all be based at Eindhoven?


4 at Eindhoven, 3 in Germany https://www.defensie.nl/organisatie/luc ... -transport (in Dutch)


Thanks. So Belgium in 2018 will join, or sign a MOU at least. There should be more than seven craft. Where in Germany will they be based?

Investment for The Netherlands is within the bandwidth of 250m - 1bn (!), no shit, Ministry of Defense :D


The current 4 German A310MRTT are stationed at CGN, Wahn airbase. The frames are also used for transport operations as well as for the German government and are part of the EATC fleet.
 
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Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:23 pm

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Defence minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert of the Netherlands, Defence minister Ursula von der Leyen of Germany, Secretary of State for Defense Francine Closener of Luxembourg and Defence minister Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide of Norway at signing


Cool pic... But

Better pic! :biggrin: (from Wikimedia)

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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:31 pm

Well this long range shot (airbase perimeter in Italy) cannot match the above for clarity, however when seeing it 6 years ago, I thought 'a 21st Century Boudica getting into a modern chariot'.
(Or in reality, Flt Lt Helen Seymour RAF).

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article ... 025552.jpg
 
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:18 pm

G'day

With the German air force being able to keep about a tenth of whatever they have bought operational that would be good news for Airbus. Say they need 5 tankers available reliably for vital operations they would have to order 50 units to achieve that goal, close to one year A330 production at present rates. Clearly they will blame Airbus for all their maintenance, logistics, political and other problems as they are doing with the A400, their choppers and whatever else they try to keep flying. Seems to me that no one else flying those same aircraft has problems to the same extent. The Germans even complain about the performance of the H+K rifles they bought and accepted per their own specifications (after years of usage they detected the rifles become less accurate as the barrel gets hot / has anyone heard of a gun where that is not the case?) - err, that's the army of course and not the air force. :crazy:

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Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:56 am

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G'day


One person: Ulla von der Lügen.

US think tank aligned and busy spending each of her changing ministries budget on PR to vie people into thinking that she does good work.
and additionally completely "Belehrungsresistent." ( no wonder: that would take away from her underhanded hidden agenda.)
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:01 pm

First French Air Force A330 MRTT (MSN 1735) completed conversion work at Getafe:

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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:24 pm

Former QF VH-EBH has been converted to MRTT:

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RAAF MRTT039 (A39-006) by galenburrows, on Flickr
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Does the MRTT also go through all the rework like the KC-46A? EMP hardening etc?
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:37 pm

Another angle of the first French Air Force A330 MRTT during a test flight above Toulouse:

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First French MRTT by José Luis Celada Euba, on Flickr
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:31 pm

Which aircraft of the French Airforce uses a boom? E-3? More? Or did they order it with a boom to be more flexible for other NATO a/c.
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:15 pm

Firm order has been signed:

Madrid, 25 September 2017 – Airbus Defence and Space has received a firm order for five Airbus A330 MRTT Multi Role Tanker Transports from Europe’s organisation for the management of cooperative armament programmes – OCCAR – on behalf of NATO Support & Procurement Agency (NSPA) and funded by Germany and Norway.

The order follows the announcement on 29 June of a Memorandum of Understanding under which the two nations would join Netherlands and Luxembourg in the European/NATO Multinational Multi-Role Tanker Transport Fleet (MMF) programme.


http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... order.html
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Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:54 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Does the MRTT also go through all the rework like the KC-46A? EMP hardening etc?


France is a nuclear weapon nation & air delivery is one option along sea launches ICBM

Nuclear Weapon plane delivery will be done with the support of the MRTT, so we can imagine that they will be at least a little hardened :D
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:40 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Firm order has been signed:

Madrid, 25 September 2017 – Airbus Defence and Space has received a firm order for five Airbus A330 MRTT Multi Role Tanker Transports from Europe’s organisation for the management of cooperative armament programmes – OCCAR – on behalf of NATO Support & Procurement Agency (NSPA) and funded by Germany and Norway.

The order follows the announcement on 29 June of a Memorandum of Understanding under which the two nations would join Netherlands and Luxembourg in the European/NATO Multinational Multi-Role Tanker Transport Fleet (MMF) programme.


http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... order.html


Excellent. where will these be located ? I assume not in Norway .... :-(
 
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:19 am

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Defence minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert of the Netherlands, Defence minister Ursula von der Leyen of Germany, Secretary of State for Defense Francine Closener of Luxembourg and Defence minister Ine Marie Eriksen Søreide of Norway at signing

They are some of NATO/OTAN......
 
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:59 pm

Mortyman wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Firm order has been signed:

Madrid, 25 September 2017 – Airbus Defence and Space has received a firm order for five Airbus A330 MRTT Multi Role Tanker Transports from Europe’s organisation for the management of cooperative armament programmes – OCCAR – on behalf of NATO Support & Procurement Agency (NSPA) and funded by Germany and Norway.

The order follows the announcement on 29 June of a Memorandum of Understanding under which the two nations would join Netherlands and Luxembourg in the European/NATO Multinational Multi-Role Tanker Transport Fleet (MMF) programme.


http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... order.html


Excellent. where will these be located ? I assume not in Norway .... :-(


They have options for another 4, plus the 2 already ordered by the Netherlands and I believe Belgium will pick up another 2, Europe is going to be well covered by MRTT's. I'm sure Germany will ultimately buy additional frames for itself as well.
 
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Do these aircraft have some sort of defence system installed ? I assume only flares if anything at all ?
 
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Kiwirob wrote:
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KarelXWB wrote:


Excellent. where will these be located ? I assume not in Norway .... :-(


They have options for another 4, plus the 2 already ordered by the Netherlands and I believe Belgium will pick up another 2, Europe is going to be well covered by MRTT's. I'm sure Germany will ultimately buy additional frames for itself as well.


Germany is in the process of integrating some of their capabilities with other countries forces, the German Seebataillon (marines) is integrated into the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps Command. Or German forces integrate other countries forces for example the integrated I. German/Dutch Corps is a rapid response force. There are examples of working cooperation between German and Danish and German and Czech forces.

I would imagine any further acquisition of tankers by Germany will be done through this European tanker cooperation.
 
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:55 pm

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Do these aircraft have some sort of defence system installed ? I assume only flares if anything at all ?


I would think flares at minimum with a more sophisticated system at least offered or else installed by the customer.
I read a while ago that the MRTT may be getting Command and Control / COMINT / ELINT (ISR) capabilities which i'm sure will require a good defense system among other upgrades like EMP/EMF hardening (if it doesn't already have this) among others like ECM.

http://www.sldinfo.com/tanker-2-0-the-a ... bal-fleet/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... li-434688/

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ng-426581/

The aircraft is definitely big enough to do a lot more than it can. With the palletized mission systems (like used on the C-295) that can be easily and quickly switched out, there is a lot of potential in this bird.
When production is eventually switched to the -800NEO, Airbus should IMO add a weapons bay (for MPA role, and/other munitions) too.
 
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Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:39 pm

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When production is eventually switched to the -800NEO, Airbus should IMO add a weapons bay (for MPA role, and/other munitions) too.


I can't help thinking the A332/338 is way too big of a platform for an MPA role.
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scbriml wrote:
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When production is eventually switched to the -800NEO, Airbus should IMO add a weapons bay (for MPA role, and/other munitions) too.


I can't help thinking the A332/338 is way too big of a platform for an MPA role.


Absolutely. I'm thinking more for multi-role. Either transitioning between roles or being able to carry out multiple roles simultaneously. Keep in mind, the weapons bay could be used to deliver land strike and carry other missiles like the P-8 too.
 
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Slug71 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Do these aircraft have some sort of defence system installed ? I assume only flares if anything at all ?


I would think flares at minimum with a more sophisticated system at least offered or else installed by the customer.

RAAF KC-30s have a DIRCM installed.
 
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Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:12 pm

Ozair wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Mortyman wrote:
Do these aircraft have some sort of defence system installed ? I assume only flares if anything at all ?


I would think flares at minimum with a more sophisticated system at least offered or else installed by the customer.

RAAF KC-30s have a DIRCM installed.

Instead of or in addition to flare/chaff countermeasures?
 
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Re: A330MRTT Orders, Production And Testing

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angad84 wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Slug71 wrote:

I would think flares at minimum with a more sophisticated system at least offered or else installed by the customer.

RAAF KC-30s have a DIRCM installed.

Instead of or in addition to flare/chaff countermeasures?

They also have flare dispensers, not sure about chaff as I am not aware if the KC-30 in RAAF service has an ALR installed.

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