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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:06 pm

Trololzilla wrote:
Speculation seems to be increasing that SpaceX and Tesla may merge in the future.


Will they have a road-legal Falcon 9 anytime in the future? Or what is the synergy effect?

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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:46 am

flyingturtle wrote:
Trololzilla wrote:
Speculation seems to be increasing that SpaceX and Tesla may merge in the future.


Will they have a road-legal Falcon 9 anytime in the future? Or what is the synergy effect?

David

It mainly just allows for greater integration, IMO. If they were to merge, then Elon wouldn't have to dedicate his time between two different companies (and The Boring Company); he'd only have to spend it at 'one'. A rather large, complicated one at that, but a single entity nonetheless.

Since Tesla owns SolarCity as well, it'd essentially be merging three companies that together could do a lot of the things necessary for interplanetary colonization: one part covers the space transportation/infrastructure aspect (SpaceX), one part covers vehicular transportation and energy storage (Tesla, who could spin off a division that focuses on extraplanetary vehicles i.e. manned/unmanned rovers and their ilk, and Powerpack/Powerwall), and one part covers renewable energy production (SolarCity).

Expanding upon this idea, Elon could even merge this "supercompany" with The Boring Company to help build underground infrastructure, vital to initial colonization efforts. Expanding on this concept even further, Elon could either start his own Hyperloop company or absorb one of the leading companies in that field, gaining a foothold in "mass transportation" (however contentious that designation may be for the Hyperloop concept). Finally, for the actual structures, he could either set up a division of this supercompany that focuses on building planetary habitats, etc., or even purchase an existing company (i.e. Bigelow Aerospace) and expand their purview.

I highly doubt all this would happen (or even some of it), but it honestly does make a whole lot of sense from one point of view (maybe not from an antitrust or realism POV, however).
 
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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:19 am

Trololzilla wrote:
flyingturtle wrote:
Trololzilla wrote:
Speculation seems to be increasing that SpaceX and Tesla may merge in the future.


Will they have a road-legal Falcon 9 anytime in the future? Or what is the synergy effect?

David

It mainly just allows for greater integration, IMO. If they were to merge, then Elon wouldn't have to dedicate his time between two different companies (and The Boring Company); he'd only have to spend it at 'one'. A rather large, complicated one at that, but a single entity nonetheless.

Since Tesla owns SolarCity as well, it'd essentially be merging three companies that together could do a lot of the things necessary for interplanetary colonization: one part covers the space transportation/infrastructure aspect (SpaceX), one part covers vehicular transportation and energy storage (Tesla, who could spin off a division that focuses on extraplanetary vehicles i.e. manned/unmanned rovers and their ilk, and Powerpack/Powerwall), and one part covers renewable energy production (SolarCity).

Expanding upon this idea, Elon could even merge this "supercompany" with The Boring Company to help build underground infrastructure, vital to initial colonization efforts. Expanding on this concept even further, Elon could either start his own Hyperloop company or absorb one of the leading companies in that field, gaining a foothold in "mass transportation" (however contentious that designation may be for the Hyperloop concept). Finally, for the actual structures, he could either set up a division of this supercompany that focuses on building planetary habitats, etc., or even purchase an existing company (i.e. Bigelow Aerospace) and expand their purview.

I highly doubt all this would happen (or even some of it), but it honestly does make a whole lot of sense from one point of view (maybe not from an antitrust or realism POV, however).


The main issue is that Tesla is a black hole in terms of profitability right now, whereas SpaceX is doing OK.

The Boring Company isn't doing anything new with tech, as Musk just bought his tunnelling machines from another established boring company - I don't think this endeavour will end up doing something, it will probably close down quietly in a year or two.

Tesla does own SolarCity, and that's the real interesting part of all this - the battery production and solar generation tech. It wouldn't surprise me if Musk started work on an orbital solar generator system, with microwave transmission to ground - think of that as a renewable resource... 100,000km squared of generation capacity in orbit. Now that would be a statement.
 
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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:04 am

Well it's one way of financing Tesla I suppose.He can't sell it as the shares are too expensive.But in many ways his job is done.Electric cars are now here to stay it might be better for an automotive company with real manufacturing experience to run it now.
Boring? Yup the first machine is a standard (snail) boring machine,nothing special at all.But the new one is supposed to be 10 times faster.One rumour is that it might use 'fracking' techniques to break up the rock layer in the hole face prior to 'drilling' it out.But who knows.

As for Spacex.He needs the 'Heavy' launch to go well.
Whilst he may talk a lot about his BFR truth is his money will be made on the Facon 9 and Heavy.And he could make a lot I believe.
 
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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:39 pm

Still more speculation on a merger:

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-tesla- ... de-2017-12

We also have the inklings of a new space race between SpaceX and Boeing (via ULA):

https://www.space.com/39014-will-boeing ... -mars.html

That is precisely what Musk has wanted all along. Good to see that he's really upped the ante in the space industry and is starting to force his competitors to respond in earnest.
 
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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:34 am

Trololzilla wrote:

We also have the inklings of a new space race between SpaceX and Boeing (via ULA):

https://www.space.com/39014-will-boeing ... -mars.html

That is precisely what Musk has wanted all along. Good to see that he's really upped the ante in the space industry and is starting to force his competitors to respond in earnest.


ULA has nothing to do with Boeing's SLS program.
 
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Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments

Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:34 pm

Building Real-time Systems with Bazel w/ SpaceX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3bckhV_YI
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