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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:59 am

Dutchy wrote:
most probably the last things because why would you go to the trouble (and expense) of building a prototype and not enter? Excessive risk doesn't cut it with me, sounds like an excuse.


The sunk cost fallacy disagrees with you - the prototype has already been built, going forward in the competition will only cost more money regardless, so do you save that money or not?
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:41 am

moo wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
most probably the last things because why would you go to the trouble (and expense) of building a prototype and not enter? Excessive risk doesn't cut it with me, sounds like an excuse.


The sunk cost fallacy disagrees with you - the prototype has already been built, going forward in the competition will only cost more money regardless, so do you save that money or not?


Sunk cost are gone, so plays no factor in this. So at that point, they made a decision not to enter, regardless. So the cost associated with upgrading it does not offset the risk of not getting the contract. ;-)
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:42 am

When will the winner be announced?
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:57 am

Dutchy wrote:
most probably the last things because why would you go to the trouble (and expense) of building a prototype and not enter? Excessive risk doesn't cut it with me, sounds like an excuse.


More or less both. If the first design is not perfect, you must invest more money to fix the problems, while the likelihood of winning the tender has not improved, so the overall cost to benefit risk becomes worse.
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:00 am

yes, excessive risk to them, not excessive risk posed by the program as a whole, so internal factors not external.
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:12 am

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When will the winner be announced?


It would appear the award has slipped from the end of this year to Spring 2018.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/10 ... %20Roundup
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:31 pm

Ok, thanks, we'll have to wait for a bit longer.
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:29 am

mmo wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
When will the winner be announced?


It would appear the award has slipped from the end of this year to Spring 2018.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/10 ... %20Roundup


I remember reading recently, cannot find the article now, that the USAF could announce the winner before they award the contract award, in order to let the losing firms release their engineers to other projects. So, we could hear who wins in December, and the contract comes in the Spring.
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:40 pm

CEO OF ITALY’S LEONARDO IN ISRAEL TO WOO U.S. AIR FORCE

With the US Air Force’s hunt for a next-generation military trainer aircraft narrowed down to three top contenders, the CEO of one of them – Leonardo, Italy’s largest defense company – was in Israel this week meeting with key partners of Israel’s defense establishment.

Last March, Leonardo submitted its bid for the United States Air Force’s T-X advanced jet-trainer program, which aims to replace the aging T-38 Talon aircraft from the 1960s. It is up against Lockheed Martin’s T-50A and a new Boeing program designed specifically for the tender.

While Leonardo is the underdog in the tender for its T-100 program, the company believes that the experience of the Israel Air Force will give it a leg up against the US defense giants.

Leonardo’s T-100 is a derivative of the M-346 Master advanced jet trainer and is used by the air forces of Italy, Singapore, Poland and Israel where it known as the Lavi. IAF has a fleet of 30 Lavi with four simulators which entered into service in 2014.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/CEO-of ... rce-533574

Little being released in the media at the moment on the T-X but looks like lots of lobbying occurring in the background.
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:44 pm

When will it be announced? In the spring or will it delayed again?
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:29 pm

The last I read, most people expect the announcement will be made in March. It really depends on what happens with funding. If the budget is funded, then expect to have an announcement in March with production to begin fairly quickly.
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:31 am

Looking at the current political climate in the US, Boeing loosing ground in Defense and the fact the T-X is a clean sheet design tailored to the requirements, it seems Boeing T-X will be hard to beat.
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:26 am

keesje wrote:
Looking at the current political climate in the US, Boeing loosing ground in Defense and the fact the T-X is a clean sheet design tailored to the requirements, it seems Boeing T-X will be hard to beat.

Perhaps. The Boeing SAAB design probably has the highest risk of the current candidates but also likely the most potential.
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:53 am

Any updates?

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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue May 01, 2018 4:31 pm

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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Tue May 01, 2018 11:50 pm

rlwynn wrote:
https://saabgroup.com/media/news-press/news/2017-09/saab-offers-u.s.-based-production-capability-for-t-x-trainer-aircraft/

That report is from September 2017 so there isn't any new information included there we haven't already discussed.
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Wed May 09, 2018 11:29 pm

Article from December 2017 says the USAF pushed the decision to July.
https://insidedefense.com/insider/boein ... -amendment
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Wed May 16, 2018 2:05 pm

"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway
 
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Re: T-X Requirements Released

Thu May 17, 2018 5:57 am

Nice but short video :) I could really see these as our (swedish) new trainer too. :bigthumbsup:
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