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Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter): Airbus’s failure to do so has triggered a contract clause enabling European customers to cancel their orders. - However, Airbus said European cancellations are unlikely. |
Quoting kanban (Reply 2): Isn't that what they always say???? |
Quote: However, Wilhelm says all nations working through the auspices of the OCCAR procurement body – Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Spain, Turkey and the UK – would have to agree “unanimously” to terminate their combined 170 orders. “That is why we see it as unlikely,” he says. |
Quoting a380900 (Reply 1): Not as smooth as the A350 |
Quote: However, in parallel with the capability improvements, Airbus will continue with deliveries and “industrial ramp-up”. But Wilhelm concedes this is “not the most cost efficient way to do this”, due to the need for retrofit programmes for aircraft that have already been handed over. |
Quoting a380900 (Reply 1): Not as smooth as the A350 but not a 787/A380 disaster either. |
Quoting Aesma (Reply 5): it's the military capabilities that are more difficult, and knowing how the program has been a mess precisely because too many various capabilities were demanded by various countries, it isn't very surprising. |
Quoting nicoeddf (Reply 7): So do I understand it correctly, that the aircraft is able to perform its standard duties, such as transporting goods in a "civilian manner" but that tactical capabilities, eg operating into war zones are not in the envelope as of now? Meaning that the aircraft still is useful in the meantime? |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6): Any news on the delivery of the first German A400M except for the information included in that article ("delivery imminent")? |
Quoting nicoeddf (Reply 7): So do I understand it correctly, that the aircraft is able to perform its standard duties, such as transporting goods in a "civilian manner" but that tactical capabilities, eg operating into war zones are not in the envelope as of now? |
Quote: Following on from the IOC configuration, which equates to an aircraft suitable for basic logistic transport tasks, comes SOC1. To be declared in late 2013, this will add basic aerial delivery to the A400M's performance range. Each following after roughly one-year gaps, the subsequent 1.5 and 2 standards will respectively add full aerial delivery and tanker capability and enhanced tactical mission management and new functions such as polar navigation and time-on-arrival management, says Airbus Military. Arriving in late 2017, SOC2.5 will deliver "enhanced tanker capabilities and search-and-rescue patterns". The final, SOC3 standard will bring in advanced capabilities including low-level flight functionality. |
Quote: Initially, the third French A400M – foreseen to be delivered at the end of the year 2013 – should have been delivered in a SOC 1 configuration. For different reasons, this has not been possible and the first A400M to be delivered in a SOC 1 configuration is supposed to be the first British A400M – planned for rollout September this year. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10): Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):Germany next month I suppose. I thought the German airplane was due this month? |
Quoting Pihero (Reply 13): Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12): hey I payed at least one screw or a washer with my taxes... Which one ? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10): Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9): Germany next month I suppose. I thought the German airplane was due this month? |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):Germany next month I suppose. I thought the German airplane was due this month? The Wunstorf Air Base now announced that the first A400M will arrive there "at the beginning of December". Source: http://www.aero.de/news-20743/Bundes....html |
Quoting CX747 (Reply 17): C-17s and C-130s are/were available with a proven track record longer than the delays and problems this program has racked up. |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12): The Wunstorf Air Base now announced that the first A400M will arrive there "at the beginning of December". |
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20): |
Quoting CX747 (Reply 23): The C-130J |
Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 24): it would be a benefit to have aircraft that were actually in service |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 25): I now heard the first airframe of the German Luftwaffe will arrive tomorrow, friday, Dec. 19, 2014. |
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27): Quoting N14AZ (Reply 25):I now heard the first airframe of the German Luftwaffe will arrive tomorrow, friday, Dec. 19, 2014. |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 28): Delivered! Taking-over was today, 54+01 will leave Sevilla tomorrow. |
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26): Quoting CX747 (Reply 23): The C-130J Is not the best possible equipment anymore, it's just been lucky that there hasn't been a modern competitive aircraft in it's class to take sales from it. |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 33): Well?? There's no PROOF the A400M is anyways Nearly as capable is there? I'd lay off that reasoning until the A400M has done HALF as much as the C130 series. Go into a combat zone with it and We'll see who can do What and to Whom . Let's see it do weather recon. Hurrucane hunter work first, Ocean Recon and SAR, Operate AT McMurdo Station in Antarctica like USN VXE-6 did Then you can tell us what's what.. Right Now? All you have is an airplane. |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 33): There's no PROOF the A400M is anyways Nearly as capable is there? I'd lay off that reasoning until the A400M has done HALF as much as the C130 series. Go into a combat zone with it and We'll see who can do What and to Whom . Let's see it do weather recon. Hurrucane hunter work first, Ocean Recon and SAR, Operate AT McMurdo Station in Antarctica like USN VXE-6 did |
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 35): this is just another daft anti A400 comment |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 33): All you have is an airplane. |
Quoting kanban (Reply 36): ighten up.. there only a couple of these babies out there and nobody's going to risk them for anything yet. And when they do, they'll probably perform as well as expected. |
Quoting zeke (Reply 38): I thought France has already used them in operational roles in Africa ? |
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27): we're still two deliveries short |
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 35): Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 33):There's no PROOF the A400M is anyways Nearly as capable is there? I'd lay off that reasoning until the A400M has done HALF as much as the C130 series. Go into a combat zone with it and We'll see who can do What and to Whom . Let's see it do weather recon. Hurrucane hunter work first, Ocean Recon and SAR, Operate AT McMurdo Station in Antarctica like USN VXE-6 didThere was no proof the C-17 could do any of that before it did either, this is just another daft anti A400 comment without any validity. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42): r. The first A-400M has been in service for over a year now and it has not fully demonstrated its 37 tonne capability, or its range capability with a significant load. Why is that? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42): The first A-400M has been in service for over a year now and it has not fully demonstrated its 37 tonne capability, or its range capability with a significant load. Why is that? |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42): The first A-400M has been in service for over a year now and it has not fully demonstrated its 37 tonne capability, or its range capability with a significant load. Why is that? |
Quoting zeke (Reply 43): As a strategic airlifter, the A400M Atlas has a capacity, speed and range which allows France to operate from its mainland bases to support operations….For example, the A400M can carry four times the load of a C-160 Transall in half the time. |
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 42): The first A-400M has been in service for over a year now and it has not fully demonstrated its 37 tonne capability, or its range capability with a significant load. Why is that? |
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