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Re: A400M Update

Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:12 pm

A French politic released a report on the French strategic airlift and a claim he made took my attention.

Il convient de mettre un terme définitif à l’illusion abondamment diffusée de « l’A400M, avion stratégique ».
Par sa capacité d’emport maximale (deux containers TC20 contre 11 pour l’Antonov 124), l’A400M avion ne peut être une solution pour le transport stratégique de fret. Il ne rivalisera jamais avec les gros porteurs, An-124 ou C5. Un Antonov 124 équivaut à 5 A400M


Rough translation, by me.
A400M is not a strategic airlifter and we need to stop consider it this way.
It can load 2 TC20 containers when an AN124 loads 11. It can't be a strategic airlifter. It will never compete against AN124 or C5. 1 AN124 lifts the same as 5 A400M.

http://www.francois.cornut-gentille.fr/ ... egique.pdf

I'm not sure why he see the needs to evaluate the airlift with TC20 containers. Is this a standard in military transport?
And this shouldn't come as a surprise that A400M is not in the same weight category than AN124 or C5, but claiming 1:5 when max payload come close to 1:3 seems exaggerated. Maybe range consideration change a lot the result and I'm not sure if the guy tries to manipulate numbers and discard A400M directly to suit his agenda (france too much dependent of the rusian/ukranian strategic airlift).

Any thoughts?
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Re: A400M Update

Thu May 18, 2017 6:21 pm

Any updates or news on this bad boy?
 
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Re: A400M Update

Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:48 pm

German AirForce received its 9th copy yesterday, MSN49 : 54+10
It's the 6th delivery of 2017.

Nothing more to report right now...
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Re: A400M Update

Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:22 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
German AirForce received its 9th copy yesterday, MSN49 : 54+10
It's the 6th delivery of 2017.

Nothing more to report right now...


Regardless, thanks for the update, Grizzly410!
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Re: A400M Update

Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:00 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
German AirForce received its 9th copy yesterday, MSN49 : 54+10
It's the 6th delivery of 2017.

Nothing more to report right now...


This won't speed up any time soon either as long as the German Air Force keeps refusing to take planes with tiny scratches on the painting of control panels. Makes you wonder if those people have ever seen how a military plane looks after its first mission. By the way, this same mentality causes the Berlin airport to be pushed back year after year. It's just ludicrous.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:59 am

aviationaware wrote:
This won't speed up any time soon either as long as the German Air Force keeps refusing to take planes with tiny scratches on the painting of control panels.
Believe it or not but although Germans are known for what you're describing, I heard they're not the pickiest A400M customer. (uncontested second, though)

I think you're wrong, GAF delivery are currently speeding up ! They will receive the most of 2017 delivery, already 2 and 7 more to come this year.
And I believe they're prepared for that because last month we saw MSN49 and its little sister MSN48 (both GAF) doing Customer Acceptance flights in the same period, indicating GAF have now two "acceptance team".

WhiIe I agree looking for scratches and cosmetic defect on military plane seems pointless, it seems to me that's part of the "game". I mean, the more the buyer team find defects the more it can negotiate discount, and as much as it can be ridiculous any scratch is a defect that can be negate by the OEM.
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:27 pm

RAF is putting A400 crew through their low level training since early 2017, the Mach loop in Wales.

https://youtu.be/09l-Wc_33fk?t=2m2s
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:56 am

Are all the missing capabilities still on track to be completed by next year?
 
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Re: A400M Update

Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:59 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Are all the missing capabilities still on track to be completed by next year?


http://aviationweek.com/defense/french-air-force-happy-airbus-a400m-progress

Unprepared runways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIxy6Gt3QUA
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Re: A400M Update

Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:05 pm

Hmm, half of France's fleet is not available and they consider "landing in Iraq" a vote of confidence. Well, well, C-130s, C-17s and a host of other transport aircraft have been landing in Iraq for almost 14-15 years now and have better than 50-60% availability.

This is not a "game changer" but a dud. Gearbox issues, a countermeasure suite that fails to meet standards and still no helo refuel capability. Sounds like a real winner. The A400 fleet continues to fall short while other platforms do the real work in Iraq, Afghanistan and a thousand other places.

The proof is in the pudding that a joint fleet of 12 C-130Js will be operated by France & Germany. That number of 12 by the way is the minimum that will be operated. Germany has already stated an intent to procure another 6 if funds are available.

C-130E, H and J models have been hauling the trash and getting the JOB done in places the A400 still hasn't even attempted. Foreign nations would be better served buying surplus USAF C-130H models. Have heavy maintenance done, dump one of the updated glass cockpits into it and take home a bird at a fraction of the cost that really fits the mission profile needs of most countries.

If a nation needs more than a C-130 brings to the table, "buy" some airtime of the massive worldwide fleet of C-17s, a USAF C-5 or a Russian freight hauler.
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:31 am

CX747 wrote:
Hmm, half of France's fleet is not available and they consider "landing in Iraq" a vote of confidence. Well, well, C-130s, C-17s and a host of other transport aircraft have been landing in Iraq for almost 14-15 years now and have better than 50-60% availability.

This is not a "game changer" but a dud. Gearbox issues, a countermeasure suite that fails to meet standards and still no helo refuel capability. Sounds like a real winner. The A400 fleet continues to fall short while other platforms do the real work in Iraq, Afghanistan and a thousand other places.

The proof is in the pudding that a joint fleet of 12 C-130Js will be operated by France & Germany. That number of 12 by the way is the minimum that will be operated. Germany has already stated an intent to procure another 6 if funds are available.

C-130E, H and J models have been hauling the trash and getting the JOB done in places the A400 still hasn't even attempted. Foreign nations would be better served buying surplus USAF C-130H models. Have heavy maintenance done, dump one of the updated glass cockpits into it and take home a bird at a fraction of the cost that really fits the mission profile needs of most countries.

If a nation needs more than a C-130 brings to the table, "buy" some airtime of the massive worldwide fleet of C-17s, a USAF C-5 or a Russian freight hauler.


Feel better now? All the steam out of the system ;)

Reality is, the plane will be a great performer after maturing. Like all the other "duds" of the various manufacturers have been performing after maturing eventually.

You know, France and Germany will likely be better of anyway flying mixed fleets. Different capabilities for different cost per flight hour. Think that's a good idea as a taxpayer.
But rant on :)

And seriously...people need to stop this game changer crap. It's all evolution...
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:17 am

CX747 wrote:
Hmm, half of France's fleet is not available and they consider "landing in Iraq" a vote of confidence. Well, well, C-130s, C-17s and a host of other transport aircraft have been landing in Iraq for almost 14-15 years now and have better than 50-60% availability.


How would the A400M perform in 14-15 years from now?
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:55 am

KarelXWB wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Hmm, half of France's fleet is not available and they consider "landing in Iraq" a vote of confidence. Well, well, C-130s, C-17s and a host of other transport aircraft have been landing in Iraq for almost 14-15 years now and have better than 50-60% availability.


How would the A400M perform in 14-15 years from now?


Hopefully really well, but we know that the C-130 and C-17 will still be performing excellent duty. The C-130 must be one of the best and most enduring designs ever in aviation history.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:25 am

KarelXWB wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Hmm, half of France's fleet is not available and they consider "landing in Iraq" a vote of confidence. Well, well, C-130s, C-17s and a host of other transport aircraft have been landing in Iraq for almost 14-15 years now and have better than 50-60% availability.


How would the A400M perform in 14-15 years from now?

It seems it won't be refueling helicopters in 14-15 years unless the "research project" ( http://aviationweek.com/defense/a400m-h ... ch-project ) comes up with a solution.

In my experience, when we call something a "research project" it means we really don't have a workable solution in sight.

It turns out that giant turboprops are pretty good for getting large transports off the ground, but they do generate a lot of turbulence, apparently more than predicted.
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:30 am

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It seems it won't be refueling helicopters in 14-15 years unless the "research project" ( http://aviationweek.com/defense/a400m-h ... ch-project ) comes up with a solution.


Article dates from 2015 (!), the refuel system has been redesigned and is about to get certified:

After testing a beach landing capability with a Royal Air Force A400M earlier this month, Airbus Defence & Space says it is on track to qualify a redesigned helicopter refuelling system, roll-out a final solution to a power gearbox problem and resolve a dispute over penalties caused by delivery delays.

...

In the meantime, Airbus is working to address requirements that the A400M is currently unable to meet. The company has successfully tested an extended refuelling hose that can allow the Atlas to support helicopters, Alonso says, and it is now waiting for OCCAR to approve the proposed redesign.


Ref https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ac-438229/
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:34 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Revelation wrote:
It seems it won't be refueling helicopters in 14-15 years unless the "research project" ( http://aviationweek.com/defense/a400m-h ... ch-project ) comes up with a solution.


Article dates from 2015 (!), the refuel system has been redesigned and is about to get certified:

After testing a beach landing capability with a Royal Air Force A400M earlier this month, Airbus Defence & Space says it is on track to qualify a redesigned helicopter refuelling system, roll-out a final solution to a power gearbox problem and resolve a dispute over penalties caused by delivery delays.

...

In the meantime, Airbus is working to address requirements that the A400M is currently unable to meet. The company has successfully tested an extended refuelling hose that can allow the Atlas to support helicopters, Alonso says, and it is now waiting for OCCAR to approve the proposed redesign.


Ref https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ac-438229/


That's a very quick turnaround on a difficult problem. Hope the qualifications go well!
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Re: A400M Update

Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:37 am

CX747 wrote:
Hmm, half of France's fleet is not available and they consider "landing in Iraq" a vote of confidence. Well, well, C-130s, C-17s and a host of other transport aircraft have been landing in Iraq for almost 14-15 years now and have better than 50-60% availability.


I don't know for Irak, I haven't read anywhere France couldn't landing in Irak. Do you have some source on that ?

Same thing for the 50% of the fleet not available, any source? Since the gearbox fix they seem to be satisfied, from the lieutenant-colonel Paul Villemin "officier programme A400M à l'état-major de l'armée de l'air", which I think is a more than credible source :
"L'armée de l'air est complètement satisfaite des avions à ce stade de développement, et leur fiabilité est devenue très acceptable", translated by me : "French Airforce is entirely satisfied of its aircrafts at this stage of development, their reliability is now very acceptable"
https://www.lesechos.fr/industrie-servi ... 5q31VOH.99

Whereas the availability of the C-130H seems to be "desperately low" (désespérement basse).
http://www.opex360.com/2017/03/29/epee- ... rancaises/
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