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Re: A400M Update

Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:21 am

Problem? No problem. Just a discussion largely triggered by #419 above.
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:56 am

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Yes, so? Military hardware is also a source of innovation money spend locally. You have seen it with the KC-45 saga, unacceptable for US politicians that the European a/c was chosen. So what is the problem here?


The "problem" is the 17 million posts here stating that capacities of one aircraft over the other was/is the driver behind the choices made in the US-tanker or the EU-transport competitions.

Personally, as a taxpayer I would not mind governments buying tried-and-tested off-the-shelf products from an ally, but I understand that sometimes in the long term it is better to "overspend" on a new local product to drive home-town innovation.

Let's just call a spade a spade.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:13 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Yes, so? Military hardware is also a source of innovation money spend locally. You have seen it with the KC-45 saga, unacceptable for US politicians that the European a/c was chosen. So what is the problem here?

There is no problem with it, as long as you recognize it. You also have to recognize that in addition to internal innovation/success, you can have internal failures in the development and that not every program setback is the result of some grand foreign conspiracy against the program.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:14 pm

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Slug71 wrote:
GRIVely wrote:
Any A400M's involved in Caribbean hurricane relief? Seems like it would be a good mission for them.


Yup. RAF has been sending them to the Caribbean.
Seen on twitter.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41213399


Looks like the French have also sent at least one over too. Saw a clip on twitter where a Puma helo and other supplies were being unloaded.


Just seen a post on Twitter that German A400Ms are assisting the Dutch in the Caribbean too.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:39 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Slug71 wrote:

Yup. RAF has been sending them to the Caribbean.
Seen on twitter.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41213399


Looks like the French have also sent at least one over too. Saw a clip on twitter where a Puma helo and other supplies were being unloaded.


Just seen a post on Twitter that German A400Ms are assisting the Dutch in the Caribbean too.


Nice to see the EU members helping each other out.
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Re: A400M Update

Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:17 pm

This current spate of operations will help show just how desirable it is to have a mixed fleet of capabilities. ALL the transport aircraft, working together.

The bigger, long ranged C-17 and A330 Voyagers, to shift in bulk. A400M and Hercules to get the supplies and capabilities into needed locations. Anyone who is splitting hairs and going "mine is bigger than yours!" isn't getting the lessons of this disaster, which are that the whole cross-platform and cross-national fleet can work together in harmony leveraging individual abilities of the aircraft where needed.

I would like to see more C-17s in the mix but too late now. They are desirable but also a little expensive so orders were limited. McDD offered to build the RAF a C-17K with RB211-535E4 engines at one stage....
 
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Re: A400M Update

Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:26 am

The program reaches a new milestone as Airbus is delivering its 50th A400M aircraft today.

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Re: A400M Update

Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:40 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
The program reaches a new milestone as Airbus is delivering its 50th A400M aircraft today.

Airbus A3400M -180 54 54+11 Luftwaffe delivery 27sep17 SVQ-ETNW ex A4M054


Congrats to the Luftwaffe and Airbus. Wonder if this frame includes the "Pack 2" PGB?
 
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:44 am

MSN 59 has been delivered:

Airbus A400M -180 59 54+13 Luftwaffe delivery 29sep17 SVQ-ETNW ex A4M059
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:02 pm

Funnily enough the SAAF rated the C160 better than the C130 during the 20 year Border War.
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Re: A400M Update

Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:14 pm

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Funnily enough the SAAF rated the C160 better than the C130 during the 20 year Border War.

I think it really depends on what you use for which mission. We can easily sort some of the modern transporters by size, and therefore capability. On the low end we have the C235 and the C-5 on the other. For troop insertion/extraction and supplies the smaller, more versatile frame is obviously better suited. For transoceanic invasions you really want the largest you can get. It does not surprise me that the SAAF preferred the simpler, smaller C160 in their regional conflict. Similarly, the A400 may work in one place (Germany) but does not meet the requirements of another (USA).
 
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:36 pm

French A400M flies first operational mission (tactical) to Niger

A French air force A400M transport aircraft has carried out its first operational mission to Niger, carrying helicopters, freight and personnel directly from France onto a semi-prepared dirt landing strip.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?o ... Itemid=110

And,

Airbus defense unit freezes capex, may miss cash goals

Airbus Defence and Space has frozen capital spending and urged its 34,000 staff to take “drastic measures” to save cash as it faces the prospect of missing 2017 cash targets by hundreds of millions of euros, according to a memo seen by Reuters.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKBN1CA0RY

And,

Thales to supply additional A400M flight simulators for French and German forces

Thales has been contracted by Airbus to supply additional A400M full-flight simulators (FFS) for the French and German airforces. The two new simulators will be used to train A400M crews in complex missions such as in-flight refuelling and low-level tactical operations in a safe environment.


http://www.airforce-technology.com/news ... ry-5941585
 
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:39 pm

Pioneers: MTU and German Armed Forces Conclude Maintenance Framework Agreement to Support the TP400-D6 Engine for the A400M Fleet


http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... 400m-fleet

Hopefully this will help keep their A400M's in the air.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:04 pm

Next delivery:

Airbus A400M -180 58 ZM416 Royal Air Force delivery 17oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M058
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:42 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Next delivery:

Airbus A400M -180 58 ZM416 Royal Air Force delivery 17oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M058


That was quick. Two weeks after the last delivery!
 
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:52 pm

It seems very difficult to determine the first flight dates for the A400?
 
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Re: A400M Update

Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:38 pm

Next delivery:

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Re: A400M Update

Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:21 pm

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Next delivery:

Airbus A400M -180 60 ZM417 Royal Air Force delivery 19oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M060


Wow! This has to be the quickest run of deliveries? I'm guessing these birds were sitting around waiting for the PGB fix?
 
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Re: A400M Update

Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:47 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0m-442722/ says:

Airbus incurred a fresh charge of €80 million ($93 million) against its A400M programme in the third quarter of this year, as the company remains in discussion with its European customers over delays to the tactical transport.

Detailed on 31 October, the new sum – which Airbus says is linked to "the production adjustment and liquidated damages incurred", takes the company's total charges taken against the A400M this year to €150 million.

12 frames were delivered over the first 9 months of the year, and the 50th overall unit was delivered. Backlog is 122 frames.

Looking forward:

Achievement of the contractual technical capabilities and associated costs remain highly challenging. There are also challenges remaining on securing sufficient export orders in time, on cost reductions, industrial efficiency and commercial exposure, which could all impact the programme significantly

Talks are being held with regard to delivery schedule and the production rate is being adjusted in a way that "gives a bit more time to catch the export orders in the outer years".
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:11 pm

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A400M program takes another $1.3 billion charge:

Airbus (AIR.PA) called for new talks with European governments to ease "heavy penalties" for delays to its A400M military aircraft on Wednesday, after taking a fresh 1.2-billion-euro ($1.3 billion) charge in the latest blow to Europe's largest defense project.

Chief Executive Tom Enders told reporters the aerospace group was still paying for the "original sin" of striking an unrealistic procurement deal when the plane was launched in 2003.

Airbus won a 3.5 billion euro bailout from seven European NATO nations in 2010 after being saddled with liability for wild cost overruns on its engines.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbu ... SKBN1610MD


Discussions slip to February next year.

BERLIN (Reuters) - NATO buyer nations for the European A400M military transport plane have postponed a ministerial meeting on the troubled program for three months until February, said two sources familiar with the 20 billion euro project.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKBN1DA1NG
 
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:11 pm

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Discussions slip to February next year.

BERLIN (Reuters) - NATO buyer nations for the European A400M military transport plane have postponed a ministerial meeting on the troubled program for three months until February, said two sources familiar with the 20 billion euro project.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKBN1DA1NG

I guessed the reason even before I opened it -- Angie needs to get her house in order first.

Thus it will be the Germans that are delaying any relief for Airbus, and it's also (according to the article) the Germans who are the least likely to grant such relief.
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Re: A400M Update

Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:09 pm

Next delivery:

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Re: A400M Update

Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:38 am

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Thus it will be the Germans that are delaying any relief for Airbus, and it's also (according to the article) the Germans who are the least likely to grant such relief.


"Muttis Kindergeburtstag mit Topfschlagen" will come to an end tonight.
Finale either cataclysmic or kumbaja. but definitely not created from love.

Temp CSU minister for transport is busy breaking some porcelain to the advantage of Bavaria
https://www.shz.de/deutschland-welt/sic ... 19616.html
while the Dob Rind is ambushing potential coalition partners.

I'd not expect much from Germany at the moment.
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:14 am

 
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:58 am

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who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?
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Re: A400M Update

Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:39 pm

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who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?

The article makes it clear what the issue is.

It shows the downside of having a civilian certification on a military aircraft.
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:40 pm

Revelation wrote:
WIederling wrote:
Slug71 wrote:


who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?

The article makes it clear what the issue is.

It shows the downside of having a civilian certification on a military aircraft.


The gearbox is AVIO. So they are instrumental in providing substance for certification.

There is just one civil cert authority to satisfy while there could be a buquet of militaries
with individual sets of ( incompatible ) requirements.

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Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:16 pm

WIederling wrote:
Revelation wrote:
WIederling wrote:

who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?

The article makes it clear what the issue is.

It shows the downside of having a civilian certification on a military aircraft.


The gearbox is AVIO. So they are instrumental in providing substance for certification.

There is just one civil cert authority to satisfy while there could be a buquet of militaries
with individual sets of ( incompatible ) requirements.

How to get away from that multi mouth no brain monster ..


The joys of having a multinational project, especially a high tech one.
 
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Re: A400M Update

Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:19 pm

Next delivery:

Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:27 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Next delivery:

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Article on MSN62:

France welcomes first tanker-equipped A400M

It also tells us it can tank fighters, and as for helicopters:

Paris also is acquiring four Lockheed Martin C-130Js, including two tankers capable of refuelling its Airbus Helicopters H225Ms. Its first new-generation Hercules transport completed a first flight from Lockheed's Marietta facility in Georgia in late November.
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Re: A400M Update

Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:53 am

Next up:

Airbus A400M -180 63 54+15 Luftwaffe delivery 07dec17 SVQ-ETNW ex 4M063
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Re: A400M Update

Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:24 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Next delivery:

Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062


KarelXWB wrote:
Next up:

Airbus A400M -180 63 54+15 Luftwaffe delivery 07dec17 SVQ-ETNW ex 4M063


I trust you enough to be sure you didn't miss any delivery; I just can say I'm surprised to see this sequence.
Anyway, that makes 17 for this year, 3 short of the planned 20 you found at post #248.
Could it be first year AD&S delivers as many as promised ?? :stirthepot:
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Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:56 pm

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KarelXWB wrote:
Next delivery:

Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062


KarelXWB wrote:
Next up:

Airbus A400M -180 63 54+15 Luftwaffe delivery 07dec17 SVQ-ETNW ex 4M063


I trust you enough to be sure you didn't miss any delivery; I just can say I'm surprised to see this sequence.
Anyway, that makes 17 for this year, 3 short of the planned 20 you found at post #248.
Could it be first year AD&S delivers as many as promised ?? :stirthepot:

We are rooting for you! :bigthumbsup:

Nice to see the tanking mods are now out the door.
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Re: A400M Update

Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:56 pm

A glimpse of MSN 76, Spain's 3rd A400M:

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https://twitter.com/ja_almarza/status/9 ... 5869335552
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