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Dutchy wrote:Yes, so? Military hardware is also a source of innovation money spend locally. You have seen it with the KC-45 saga, unacceptable for US politicians that the European a/c was chosen. So what is the problem here?
Dutchy wrote:Yes, so? Military hardware is also a source of innovation money spend locally. You have seen it with the KC-45 saga, unacceptable for US politicians that the European a/c was chosen. So what is the problem here?
Slug71 wrote:Slug71 wrote:GRIVely wrote:Any A400M's involved in Caribbean hurricane relief? Seems like it would be a good mission for them.
Yup. RAF has been sending them to the Caribbean.
Seen on twitter.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41213399
Looks like the French have also sent at least one over too. Saw a clip on twitter where a Puma helo and other supplies were being unloaded.
Slug71 wrote:Slug71 wrote:Slug71 wrote:
Yup. RAF has been sending them to the Caribbean.
Seen on twitter.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41213399
Looks like the French have also sent at least one over too. Saw a clip on twitter where a Puma helo and other supplies were being unloaded.
Just seen a post on Twitter that German A400Ms are assisting the Dutch in the Caribbean too.
Airbus A3400M -180 54 54+11 Luftwaffe delivery 27sep17 SVQ-ETNW ex A4M054
KarelXWB wrote:The program reaches a new milestone as Airbus is delivering its 50th A400M aircraft today.Airbus A3400M -180 54 54+11 Luftwaffe delivery 27sep17 SVQ-ETNW ex A4M054
Airbus A400M -180 59 54+13 Luftwaffe delivery 29sep17 SVQ-ETNW ex A4M059
Balerit wrote:Funnily enough the SAAF rated the C160 better than the C130 during the 20 year Border War.
A French air force A400M transport aircraft has carried out its first operational mission to Niger, carrying helicopters, freight and personnel directly from France onto a semi-prepared dirt landing strip.
Airbus Defence and Space has frozen capital spending and urged its 34,000 staff to take “drastic measures” to save cash as it faces the prospect of missing 2017 cash targets by hundreds of millions of euros, according to a memo seen by Reuters.
Thales has been contracted by Airbus to supply additional A400M full-flight simulators (FFS) for the French and German airforces. The two new simulators will be used to train A400M crews in complex missions such as in-flight refuelling and low-level tactical operations in a safe environment.
Pioneers: MTU and German Armed Forces Conclude Maintenance Framework Agreement to Support the TP400-D6 Engine for the A400M Fleet
Airbus A400M -180 58 ZM416 Royal Air Force delivery 17oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M058
KarelXWB wrote:Next delivery:Airbus A400M -180 58 ZM416 Royal Air Force delivery 17oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M058
Airbus A400M -180 60 ZM417 Royal Air Force delivery 19oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M060
KarelXWB wrote:Next delivery:Airbus A400M -180 60 ZM417 Royal Air Force delivery 19oct17 SVQ-BZZ ex A4M060
Airbus incurred a fresh charge of €80 million ($93 million) against its A400M programme in the third quarter of this year, as the company remains in discussion with its European customers over delays to the tactical transport.
Detailed on 31 October, the new sum – which Airbus says is linked to "the production adjustment and liquidated damages incurred", takes the company's total charges taken against the A400M this year to €150 million.
Achievement of the contractual technical capabilities and associated costs remain highly challenging. There are also challenges remaining on securing sufficient export orders in time, on cost reductions, industrial efficiency and commercial exposure, which could all impact the programme significantly
KarelXWB wrote:A400M program takes another $1.3 billion charge:Airbus (AIR.PA) called for new talks with European governments to ease "heavy penalties" for delays to its A400M military aircraft on Wednesday, after taking a fresh 1.2-billion-euro ($1.3 billion) charge in the latest blow to Europe's largest defense project.
Chief Executive Tom Enders told reporters the aerospace group was still paying for the "original sin" of striking an unrealistic procurement deal when the plane was launched in 2003.
Airbus won a 3.5 billion euro bailout from seven European NATO nations in 2010 after being saddled with liability for wild cost overruns on its engines.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbu ... SKBN1610MD
BERLIN (Reuters) - NATO buyer nations for the European A400M military transport plane have postponed a ministerial meeting on the troubled program for three months until February, said two sources familiar with the 20 billion euro project.
Slug71 wrote:Discussions slip to February next year.BERLIN (Reuters) - NATO buyer nations for the European A400M military transport plane have postponed a ministerial meeting on the troubled program for three months until February, said two sources familiar with the 20 billion euro project.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKBN1DA1NG
Airbus A400M -180 61 54+14 Luftwaffe delivery 17nov17 SVQ-ETNW ex AM061
Revelation wrote:Thus it will be the Germans that are delaying any relief for Airbus, and it's also (according to the article) the Germans who are the least likely to grant such relief.
Slug71 wrote:
WIederling wrote:Slug71 wrote:
who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?
Revelation wrote:WIederling wrote:Slug71 wrote:
who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?
The article makes it clear what the issue is.
It shows the downside of having a civilian certification on a military aircraft.
WIederling wrote:Revelation wrote:WIederling wrote:
who is dragging their feet? AVIO ?
The article makes it clear what the issue is.
It shows the downside of having a civilian certification on a military aircraft.
The gearbox is AVIO. So they are instrumental in providing substance for certification.
There is just one civil cert authority to satisfy while there could be a buquet of militaries
with individual sets of ( incompatible ) requirements.
How to get away from that multi mouth no brain monster ..
Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062
KarelXWB wrote:Next delivery:Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062
Paris also is acquiring four Lockheed Martin C-130Js, including two tankers capable of refuelling its Airbus Helicopters H225Ms. Its first new-generation Hercules transport completed a first flight from Lockheed's Marietta facility in Georgia in late November.
Airbus A400M -180 63 54+15 Luftwaffe delivery 07dec17 SVQ-ETNW ex 4M063
KarelXWB wrote:Next delivery:Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062
KarelXWB wrote:Next up:Airbus A400M -180 63 54+15 Luftwaffe delivery 07dec17 SVQ-ETNW ex 4M063
Grizzly410 wrote:KarelXWB wrote:Next delivery:Airbus A400M -180 62 F-RBAL Armée de l´Air delivery 01dec17 SVQ-BIQ ex A4M062KarelXWB wrote:Next up:Airbus A400M -180 63 54+15 Luftwaffe delivery 07dec17 SVQ-ETNW ex 4M063
I trust you enough to be sure you didn't miss any delivery; I just can say I'm surprised to see this sequence.
Anyway, that makes 17 for this year, 3 short of the planned 20 you found at post #248.
Could it be first year AD&S delivers as many as promised ??
Airbus A400M -180 65 F-RBAM Armée de l´Air delivery 19dec17 SVQ-PUF ex A4M065
mxaxai wrote:It does not surprise me that the SAAF preferred the simpler, smaller C160 in their regional conflict.
tommy1808 wrote:mxaxai wrote:It does not surprise me that the SAAF preferred the simpler, smaller C160 in their regional conflict.
The C160 is actually bigger than the C130. It's cargo area is also longer, wider and higher.
They probably liked it because of that and its very good rough field capabilities. It has slightly more power per kg and a lot less weight on its equal sized wing. It has been designed for pure inter combat zone operations with rarely more than 100nm to fly. In its niche there probably never was a more effective aircraft and South Africa probably needed exactly that.
Best regards
Thomas
2nd #A400M for Spain delivered to @EjercitoAire this morning. 19 this year
keesje wrote:Being build in EU, having costs overruns and being notfromhere the A400M has always faced lots of critisism.
Looking at its specifications, performance, broad applications, competitive and market situation, I see additional orders coming in and the program turning into a big succes.
keesje wrote:The Japanese never exported anything.
keesje wrote:The old Herc & KC-390 are lighter, don't carry big heavy vehicles. No competitor usually works and the world is a big marketplace.
LightningZ71 wrote:There are precious few countries in the world that can meet all of the bullet points for making the A400M make sense for moving large vehicles:
Kiwirob wrote:The NZ requirement which effectively rules out C-130 or smaller is the ability to transport NZLAV and the NH90. Which leaves NZ with the choice of C2 or A400.
The scope of the project includes:
- replacement of the current fixed wing air mobility capability by no less than an equivalent level of capability matched to current and future needs.
- replacement of the five C-130H aircraft between 2021 and 2023. Phase in options for replacement capability are being developed for discussion and agreement with the Air Force.
- replacement of the two B757-200 combi aircraft between 2025 and 2026.
- the personnel, training, infrastructure, requirements management, concepts, doctrine, support, testing, evaluation and introduction into service of future capabilities.
keesje wrote:Countries that support international operations have new gen fighting vehicles, want to be able to transport serious relief equipment, be able to cross substantial distances quickly without refuelling, be able refuel jets, be certified for using civil airways, present a truly tactical capability to get to the action directly. Frankly I think there are many. Basicly the larger, reasonable developped countries. Some use C-17's but they are not really tacticle and way more expensive to operate.
Revelation wrote:All those unfilled requirements and yet A400M has such slow sales that Airbus is considering reducing the production rate.
Revelation wrote:Meanwhile the larger, reasonable, developed nation of Germany is buying six C-130J and the larger, reasonable, developed nation of France is buying four C-130J.
Go figure.
keesje wrote:Countries that support international operations have new gen fighting vehicles, want to be able to transport serious relief equipment, be able to cross substantial distances quickly without refuelling, be able refuel jets, be certified for using civil airways, present a truly tactical capability to get to the action directly. Frankly I think there are many.
keesje wrote:Basicly the larger, reasonable developped countries. Some use C-17's but they are not really tacticle and way more expensive to operate.