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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:50 pm

Phase two receiver testing completed. The next phase of testing will be done by the USAF.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN1O22EG

There is rumbling that Boeing is attempting to deliver the first tanker by the end of the year. Keep an eye/ear out for USAF acceptance fights.

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Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:29 pm

There's an uptick in activity the past few days with lots of KC-46 flights to/from Moses Lake, all using different Boeing callsigns than the test frames. I'm seeing BOE20 en route from Kelly Field, and BOE 31 and 33 airborne now too. Something sure seems to be going on.

I'm assuming the Boeing flight numbers are the last 2 of the USAF serial numbers.
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Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:39 pm

Someone need to camp at the Museum of Flight and see if the pilots are Boeing or USAF. If you see USAF personnel, then these could be customer acceptance flights prior to delivery. Specially if these are flown with different frames and the same flight pattern.

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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:42 pm

The KC-46A completed its Phase II receiver testing down at Edwards AFB earlier this week and this seems to be enough for the USAF to issue the Military Type Certificate which would allow deliveries, both now penciled in by the end of the month.


In other KC-46A news, Japan has signed for the second (of a planned four) KC-46A via Foreign Military Sale (FMS) contract. And another KC-46A flew to Ramstein AFB in Germany for it's first European visit.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:00 am

I'm sure Boeing is more than ready for these tankers to leave the nest and head to their new homes :)
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:07 am

Spacepope wrote:
There's an uptick in activity the past few days with lots of KC-46 flights to/from Moses Lake, all using different Boeing callsigns than the test frames. I'm seeing BOE20 en route from Kelly Field, and BOE 31 and 33 airborne now too. Something sure seems to be going on.

I'm assuming the Boeing flight numbers are the last 2 of the USAF serial numbers.


Some of them are doing acceptance flights now as their N sticker registrations have been removed and they're flying with their final military serial. There's a strong likelihood that we'll see some fly-aways this month.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:50 pm

RobK wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
There's an uptick in activity the past few days with lots of KC-46 flights to/from Moses Lake, all using different Boeing callsigns than the test frames. I'm seeing BOE20 en route from Kelly Field, and BOE 31 and 33 airborne now too. Something sure seems to be going on.

I'm assuming the Boeing flight numbers are the last 2 of the USAF serial numbers.


Some of them are doing acceptance flights now as their N sticker registrations have been removed and they're flying with their final military serial. There's a strong likelihood that we'll see some fly-aways this month.


Will these tankers get their tail codes before delivery or will the AF do that themselves when they arrive
at their new bases? ( OK= Tinker for ex)
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:53 pm

I don't know but based on the Navy P8s I would bet that they won't get them until after arrival at their new homes.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:52 am

Sooner787 wrote:
RobK wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
There's an uptick in activity the past few days with lots of KC-46 flights to/from Moses Lake, all using different Boeing callsigns than the test frames. I'm seeing BOE20 en route from Kelly Field, and BOE 31 and 33 airborne now too. Something sure seems to be going on.

I'm assuming the Boeing flight numbers are the last 2 of the USAF serial numbers.


Some of them are doing acceptance flights now as their N sticker registrations have been removed and they're flying with their final military serial. There's a strong likelihood that we'll see some fly-aways this month.


Will these tankers get their tail codes before delivery or will the AF do that themselves when they arrive
at their new bases? ( OK= Tinker for ex)

Unlikely they get tail codes. I assume you meant tail flashes? If that is the case, then yes. They will likely get them once they arrive at their new bases.
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
RobK wrote:

Some of them are doing acceptance flights now as their N sticker registrations have been removed and they're flying with their final military serial. There's a strong likelihood that we'll see some fly-aways this month.


Will these tankers get their tail codes before delivery or will the AF do that themselves when they arrive
at their new bases? ( OK= Tinker for ex)

Unlikely they get tail codes. I assume you meant tail flashes? If that is the case, then yes. They will likely get them once they arrive at their new bases.


Yes , tail flashes , that's what I meant

Thanks for the clarification :)
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:10 am

McConnell is anticipating their first delivery by year's end:

https://www.kansas.com/news/local/article223014695.html
 
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Updated 767/KC 46A production list :

L/N 1065 C/N 41273 B767-2LKC N461FT 11-46001 USAF KC-46A (VH001) EMD1
L/N 1066 C/N 41274 B767-2LKC N464KC 11-46002 USAF KC-46A (VH002) EMD4
L/N 1067 C/N 34054 B767-2LKC N463FT 11-46003 USAF KC-46A (VH003) EMD3
L/N 1068 C/N 42223 B767-3KYER P4-KEC AIR ASTANA (VT033)
L/N 1069 C/N 41275 B767-2LKC N462KC 11-46004 USAF KC-46A (VH004)EMD2
L/N 1070 C/N 42709 B767-3S2F N106FE FEDEX (VT560) “Evelyn”
L/N 1071 C/N 44377 B767-3S2F N107FE FEDEX (VT561) “Grayson”
L/N 1072 C/N 44378 B767-3S2F N108FE FEDEX (VT562) “Lucia”
L/N 1073 C/N 42710 B767-3S2F N109FE FEDEX (VT563) “Stephanie”
L/N 1074 C/N 43542 B767-3S2F N110FE FEDEX (VT564) “Margo”
L/N 1075 C/N 43543 B767-3S2F N112FE FEDEX (VT565) “Jordan”
L/N 1076 C/N 42711 B767-3S2F N113FE FEDEX (VT566) “Brandon”
L/N 1077 C/N 42712 B767-3S2F N114FE FEDEX (VT567) “Jade”
L/N 1078 C/N 42713 B767-3S2F N115FE FEDEX (VT568) “Rosabella”
L/N 1079 C/N 44379 B767-3S2F N117FE FEDEX (VT569) “Rylee”
L/N 1080 C/N 42714 B767-32SF N118FE FEDEX (VT570) “Emilee”
L/N 1081 C/N 44380 B767-32SF N120FE FEDEX (VT571) “Brianna”
L/N 1082 C/N 43545 B767-32SF N121FE FEDEX (VT572) “Kylah”
L/N 1083 C/N 42715 B767-3S2F N122FE FEDEX (VT573) “Josephine”
L/N 1084 C/N 43546 B767-32SF N124FE FEDEX (VT574) “Quinn”
L/N 1085 C/N 42716 B767-32SF N123FE FEDEX (VT575) “Schuler”
L/N 1086 C/N 42717 B767-32SF N125FE FEDEX (VT576) “Claudia”
L/N 1087 C/N 42718 B767-32SF N126FE FEDEX (VT577) “Josie”
L/N 1088 C/N 43547 B767-32SF N127FE FEDEX (VT578) “HaileyAnna”
L/N 1089 C/N 42719 B767-32SF N128FE FEDEX (VT579) “Jaxon”
L/N 1090 C/N 43548 B767-32SF N129FE FEDEX (VT580) “Carina”
L/N 1091 C/N 41852 B767-2LKC N842BA 15-46005 USAF KC46A (VH005) LRIP 1, #1/7
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1093 C/N 42720 B767-32SF N130FE FEDEX (VT581) “Addison”
L/N 1094 C/N 61205 B767-32SF N131FE FEDEX (VT582) “Alanis”
L/N 1095 C/N 42721 B767-32SF N132FE FEDEX (VT583) “Analia”
L/N 1096 C/N 43549 B767-32SF N133FE FEDEX (VT584) “Boden”
L/N 1097 C/N 43550 B767-32SF N134FE FEDEX (VT585) “Emma Jay”
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC46A (VH007)LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
L/N 1099 C/N 42722 B767-3S2F N135FE FEDEX (VT586)
L/N 1100 C/N 41856 B767-2LKC 15-46008 USAF KC-46A (VH008) LRIP 1, #4/7, tail 56008
L/N 1101 C/N 61206 B767-3S2F N137FE FEDEX (VT587) “Peter”
L/N 1102 C/N 41858 B767-2LKC 15-46009 USAF KC-46A (VH009) LRIP 1, #5/7, N50217, tail 56009
L/N 1103 C/N 42723 B767-3S2F N138FE FEDEX (VT588) “Ryan”
L/N 1104 C/N 41859 B767-2LKC 15-46010 USAF KC-46A (VH010) LRIP 1, #6/7, tail 56010
L/N 1105 C/N 43538 B767-3S2F N139FE FEDEX (VT589) “Spencer”
L/N 1106 C/N 43541 B767-32SF N140FE FEDEX (VT590) “Tyler”
L/N 1107 C/N 34106 B767-2LKC 15-46011 USAF KC-46A (VH011) LRIP 1, #7/7, tail 56011
L/N 1108 C/N 42724 B767-32SF N141FE FEDEX (VT591) “Maddox Ace”
L/N 1109 C/N 34107 B767-2LKC 16-46012 USAF KC-46A (VH012) LRIP 2, #01/12, tail 66012
L/N 1110 C/N 42725 B767-32SF N142FE FEDEX (VT592) “Poppy”
L/N 1111 C/N 34109 B767-2LKC 16-46013 USAF KC-46A (VH013) LRIP 2, #02/12, tail 66013
L/N 1112 C/N 62497 B767-32SF N143FE FEDEX (VT593) “Ayda”
L/N 1113 C/N 34105 B767-2LKC 16-46014 USAF KC-46A (VH014) LRIP 2, #03/12, tail 66014
L/N 1114 C/N 34134 B767-2LKC 16-46015 USAF KC-46A (VH015) LRIP 2, #04/12, tail 66015
L/N 1115 C/N 42726 B767-300F N144FE FEDEX (VT594) “Hoyt”
L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016
L/N 1117 C/N 34108 B767-2LKC 16-46017 USAF KC-46A (VH017) LRIP 2, #06/12, tail 66017
L/N 1118 C/N 42727 B767-300F N145FE FEDEX (VT595) “Demitra”
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, tail 66018
L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019
L/N 1121 C/N 43551 B767-300F N146FE FEDEX (VT596) “Charity”
L/N 1122 C/N 34137 B767-2LKC 16-46020 USAF KC-46A (VH020) LRIP 2, #09/12, N5514V, tail 66020
L/N 1123 C/N 63094 B767-300F N147FE FEDEX (VT597) “Charles”
L/N 1124 C/N 34139 B767-2LKC 16-46021 USAF KC-46A (VH021) LRIP 2, #10/12, tail 66021
L/N 1125 C/N 42728 B767-300F N148FE FEDEX (VT598) “Lois”
L/N 1126 C/N 34136 B767-2LKC 16-46022 USAF KC-46A (VH022) LRIP 2, #11/12, N5573S, tail 66022
L/N 1127 C/N 62498 B767-300F N149FE FEDEX (VT599) “Lailana”
L/N 1128 C/N 41861 B767-2LKC 16-46023 USAF KC-46A (VH023) LRIP 2, #12/12, tail 66023
L/N 1129 C/N 34121 B767-2LKC 17-46024 USAF KC-46A (VH024) LRIP 3, #01/15, tail 76024
L/N 1130 C/N 42729 B767-300F N150FE FEDEX (VT600) “Maliya”
L/N 1131 C/N 41863 B767-2LKC 17-46025 USAF KC-46A (VH025) LRIP 3, #02/15, tail 76025
L/N 1132 C/N 34127 B767-2LKC 17-46026 USAF KC-46A (VH026) LRIP 3, #03/15, tail 76026
L/N 1133 C/N 43630 B767-300F N151FE FEDEX (VT601) “Presly”
L/N 1134 C/N 34126 B767-2LKC 17-46027 USAF KC-46A (VH027) LRIP 3, #04/15, tail 76027
L/N 1135 C/N 34124 B767-2LKC 17-46028 USAF KC-46A (VH028) LRIP 3, #05/15, N55141, tail 76028
L/N 1136 C/N 43552 B767-300F N152FE FEDEX (VT602) “Malachi”
L/N 1137 C/N 34110 B767-2LKC 17-46029 USAF KC-46A (VH029) LRIP 3, #06/15, tail 76029
L/N 1138 C/N 63095 B767-300F N153FE FEDEX (VT603) “Teyo”
L/N 1139 C/N 34112 B767-2LKC 17-46030 USAF KC-46A (VH030) LRIP 3, #07/15, tail 76030
L/N 1140 C/N 42730 B767-300F N154FE FEDEX (VT604) “Zachary”
L/N 1141 C/N 43631 B767-300F N155FE FEDEX (VT605) “Louis”
L/N 1142 C/N 63096 B767-300F N156FE FEDEX (VT606) “Tess”
L/N 1143 C/N 34115 B767-2LKC 17-46031 USAF KC-46A (VH031) LRIP3, #08/15, N5513X, tail 76031
L/N 1144 C/N 42731 B767-300F N157FE FEDEX (VT607) “Benoit”
L/N 1145 C/N 34111 B767-2LKC 17-46032 USAF KC-46A (VH032) LRIP3, #09/15, tail 76032
L/N 1146 C/N 63097 B767-300F N158FE FEDEX (VT608) “Damien”
L/N 1147 C/N 34113 B767-2LKC 17-46033 USAF KC-46A (VH033) LRIP3, #10/15, N5016R, tail 76033
L/N 1148 C/N 42732 B767-300F N159FE FEDEX (VT609) “Averianna”
L/N 1149 C/N 34114 B767-2LKC 17-46034 USAF KC-46A (VH034) LRIP3, #11/15, tail 76034
L/N 1150 C/N 63098 B767-300F N160FE FEDEX (VT610) “Katalina”
L/N 1151 C/N 41864 B767-2LKC 17-46035 USAF KC-46A (VH035) LRIP3, #12/15, tail 76035
L/N 1152 C/N 43553 B767-300F N161FE FEDEX (VT611) “Rayyaan”
L/N 1153 C/N 43632 B767-300F N162FE FEDEX (VT612) “Thor”
L/N 1154 C/N 34091 B767-2LKC 17-46036 USAF KC-46A (VH036) LRIP3, #13/15, tail 76036
L/N 1155 C/N 62499 B767-300F N163FE FEDEX (VT613) “Albie”
L/N 1156 C/N 41984 B767-2LKC 17-46037 USAF KC-46A (VH037) LRIP3, #14/15, tail 76037
L/N 1157 C/N 62500 B767-300F N165FE FEDEX (VT614) “Mette”
L/N 1158 C/N 41985 B767-2LKC 17-46038 USAF KC-46A (VH038) LRIP3, #15/15, tail 76038
L/N 1159 C/N 43554 B767-300F N164FE FEDEX (VT615) “Aleena”
L/N 1160 C/N 34089 B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) Lot 4, #01/18, tail 86039
L/N 1161 C/N 43633 B767-300F N166FE FEDEX (VT616) “JobEdokat”
L/N 1162 C/N 34087 B767-2LKC 18-46040 USAF KC-46A (VH040) Lot 4, #02/18, tail 86040
L/N 1163 C/N 63099 B767-300F N167FE FEDEX (VT617)
L/N 1164 C/N 34088 B767-2LKC 18-46041 USAF KC-46A (VH041) Lot 4, #03/18, tail 86041
L/N 1165 C/N 63100 B767-300F N168FE FEDEX (VT618) “Massimo”
L/N 1166 C/N 34090 B767-2LKC 18-46042 USAF KC-46A (VH042) Lot 4, #04/18, tail 86042
L/N 1167 C/N 63101 B767-300F N169FE FEDEX (VT619)
L/N 1168 C/N 34092 B767-2LKC 18-46043 USAF KC-46A (VH043) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86043
L/N 1169 C/N 63102 B767-300F N170FE FEDEX (VT620)
L/N 1170 C/N 34086 B767-2LKC 18-46044 USAF KC-46A (VH044) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86044
L/N 1171 C/N 63103 B767-300F N172FE FEDEX (VT 621)
L/N 1172 C/N 41865 B767-2LKC 18-46045 USAF KC-46A (VH045) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86045
L/N 1173 C/N 64055 B767-300F N105FE FEDEX (VT622)
L/N 1174 C/N 41866 B767-2LKC 18-46046 USAF KC-46A (VH046) Lot 4, #06/18, tail 86046
L/N 1175 C/N 63104 B767-300F N173FE FEDEX (VT623)
L/N 1176 C/N 41867 B767-2LKC 18-46047 USAF KC-46A (VH047) Lot 4, #07/18, tail 86047
L/N 1177 C/N 63105 B767-300F N174FE FEDEX (VT624)
L/N 1178 C/N 34141 B767-2LKC 18-46048 USAF KC-46A (VH048) Lot 4, #08/18, tail 86048
L/N 1179 C/N 64056 B767-300F N296FE FEDEX (VT625)

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Updated 767/KC 46A production list :

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Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:45 pm

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McConnell is anticipating their first delivery by year's end:

https://www.kansas.com/news/local/article223014695.html


...that would be one heck of a Christmas present!
 
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:51 pm

The test flights continues yesterday, with BOE 30 up and about. We've seen 5 or 6 different tails flying around BFI and MWH in the past week, including BOE462 (one of the development aircraft). Still no word on delivery.
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:39 pm

If I was venture to guess, they will try very hard to make the first delivery by Friday to make the news cycle before everyone heads off for the Christmas break. They will continue to deliver as many frames as they can between Christmas and New Year even thought most of the rest of the company shuts down.

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Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:55 pm

Here's BOE 35 (likely 17-46035) on a little 2.5 hour hop flying a pattern similar to a refuelling track today. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KMWH
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:34 am

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Someone need to camp at the Museum of Flight and see if the pilots are Boeing or USAF. If you see USAF personnel, then these could be customer acceptance flights prior to delivery. Specially if these are flown with different frames and the same flight pattern.

bt

That would require some very powerful binoculars being that Moses lake where tests are being conducted and the Museum of flight are a mountain range and about 190 miles apart. Most likely the aircraft will be delivered from Boeing's Flight Test Center at BFI (Seattle) where many Boeing test flights originate from which is about 30 miles from the Museum of flight.

In fact, Boeing test pilots are instructed not to fly in a straight line between PAE and BFI but to follow the curvature of the earth because flying in a straight line would put them well above their landing destination altitude because of the curvature of the earth. You just can't make this stuff up. :bigthumbsup:

Retraction. My mistake, I guess the above is part of Air Force pilot training.
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:14 pm

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My mistake, I guess the above is part of Air Force pilot training.


So is it Air Force training or acceptance flight? Does any one know if it's just a few tail number doing multiple flights? or is it many tail numbers doing one or two flights each. If it's the former, then they are either testing or training.

Multiple flights is probably training to get the pilots ready for delivery flights. One or two flights are probably acceptance flights prior to official delivery.

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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:19 pm

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Most likely the aircraft will be delivered from Boeing's Flight Test Center at BFI (Seattle) where many Boeing test flights originate from which is about 30 miles from the Museum of flight.


The Museum of Flight is located at BFI. :angel:

The Museum of Future Flight is up north at PAE.

(Though officially it is the Future of Flight Aviation Center).
 
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Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:25 pm

Has Boeing attached new dealer tags to the rear ends of any tankers yet ? :)
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:23 pm

Stitch wrote:
stratclub wrote:
Most likely the aircraft will be delivered from Boeing's Flight Test Center at BFI (Seattle) where many Boeing test flights originate from which is about 30 miles from the Museum of flight.


The Museum of Flight is located at BFI. :angel:

The Museum of Future Flight is up north at PAE.

(Though officially it is the Future of Flight Aviation Center).

My bad. you are correct. Although I think a better vantage point for the Boeing Flight Test and Delivery Center would be somewhere on Beacon hill to the east of the airport.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:54 pm

bikerthai wrote:
stratclub wrote:
My mistake, I guess the above is part of Air Force pilot training.


So is it Air Force training or acceptance flight? Does any one know if it's just a few tail number doing multiple flights? or is it many tail numbers doing one or two flights each. If it's the former, then they are either testing or training.

Multiple flights is probably training to get the pilots ready for delivery flights. One or two flights are probably acceptance flights prior to official delivery.

bt


It's about 5-6 specific tail numbers up and flying, with BOE 35, 33 and 20 active this week. Not all at the same time. Looks like a very active flight profile from flightaware, so who knows what they're doing, however they probably wouldn't be flying these production frames for a joyride, delivery must be close. Flight here for reference to flight profile. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:08 pm

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It's about 5-6 specific tail numbers up and flying, with BOE 35, 33 and 20 active this week.


Then it's probably pilot training flight. Air Force pilots are probably trying to get their hours in so they can qualify to take delivery.

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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:32 am

Getting very close to first official delivery now...finally.

U.S. Air Force to take delivery of Boeing tanker by year end, sources

The U.S. Air Force will take its first delivery this month of the long-delayed KC-46 aerial refueling tanker made by Boeing Co (BA.N), people familiar with the process said.

Final paperwork has been moving through the Pentagon’s chain of command in recent days, signaling that government concerns about the problem-plagued jet have been addressed after a multi-year delay, the people said.

The delays and fixes for the program has been costly for Boeing, which recorded $176 million in additional charges on the KC-46 tanker in the third quarter alone. This brought the total pre-tax cost of the program to more than $3 billion.

Delivery means Boeing could now begin to reverse what has been a steady stream of financial losses related to the KC-46 program, and a major public relations headache for the world’s largest aircraft maker. The acceptance will be final when Defense Secretary Jim Mattis signs off on the delivery.

The Air Force currently plans to buy a total of 179 of the tankers, and could receive them at a pace of about three jets per month to McConnell Air Force base in Kansas.

In September, Boeing said the KC-46 completed the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration certification, nearly three years after the planemaker commenced testing for the certification.

Boeing landed the $49 billion contract in 2011 to build the tankers based on 767 commercial jets.

“The KC-46 is a top priority for the Boeing Company, and we have the best of Boeing working to ensure the U.S. Air Force gets their tankers as quickly as possible,” Boeing said.

An Air Force spokeswoman said “We are working with Boeing to resolve deficiencies and move towards acceptance and delivery.”

Problems with the jet, which refuels other aircraft mid-air, revolved around the mechanism for delivering fuel and the operation of that device, known as a “boom”.

Those issues have been mitigated in the eyes of the Air Force, the people said.

Boeing previously missed a forecast that the aircraft would be delivered last year, as the planemaker was trying to get airworthiness certifications and complete a flight test program.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-t ... SKCN1OJ28R
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:32 am

Will deliveries be able to proceed during a federal government shutdown?
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:37 am

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Will deliveries be able to proceed during a federal government shutdown?

The Department of Defense is funded through much of 2019 so they at least won't be shutdown.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Will deliveries be able to proceed during a federal government shutdown?

Ozair wrote:
The Department of Defense is funded through much of 2019 so they at least won't be shutdown.


And they already have both FAA certs so that will not be a concern.
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:40 pm

Stitch wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Will deliveries be able to proceed during a federal government shutdown?

Ozair wrote:
The Department of Defense is funded through much of 2019 so they at least won't be shutdown.


And they already have both FAA certs so that will not be a concern.

It's been REALLY quiet since before Christmas on Flightaware with those training/acceptance flights. Another snag?
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:21 pm

It's all up to when the USAF issues their Military Type Certificate, which as I understand it is the final step that will then allow deliveries to begin.

The testing was completed in conjunction with that done for the FAA Supplemental Type Certificate and last I read the USAF considered the deficiencies sufficiently rectified (either directly or via planned fix) that they were now ready to issue it.
 
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Stitch wrote:
It's all up to when the USAF issues their Military Type Certificate, which as I understand it is the final step that will then allow deliveries to begin.

The testing was completed in conjunction with that done for the FAA Supplemental Type Certificate and last I read the USAF considered the deficiencies sufficiently rectified (either directly or via planned fix) that they were now ready to issue it.


After all the delays, will there be a formal delivery ceremony or will Boeing just hand over the keys and
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It's been REALLY quiet since before Christmas on Flightaware with those training/acceptance flights. Another snag?


Boeing basically shuts down between Christmas and New Year. The only folks working are maintenance crew doing stuff that can not be done while the factory is running, or last minute work to get an airplane to the customer before year end. Even though the gov shut down do not impact military personnel, much of the technical support/interface with Boeing personnel are through civilian contractors, who I'm guessing are not working. Which leads me to believe that these frames will not be delivered until the federal employees are back on the job. This delay would probably not be charged to Boeing if they can show that the planes are ready to be delivered if not for the shut down. Just a guess . . .

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"Boeing basically shuts down between Christmas and New Year."

Boeing does no such thing. That is complete nonsense.
 
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Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:09 pm

bikerthai wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
It's been REALLY quiet since before Christmas on Flightaware with those training/acceptance flights. Another snag?


Boeing basically shuts down between Christmas and New Year. The only folks working are maintenance crew doing stuff that can not be done while the factory is running, or last minute work to get an airplane to the customer before year end. Even though the gov shut down do not impact military personnel, much of the technical support/interface with Boeing personnel are through civilian contractors, who I'm guessing are not working. Which leads me to believe that these frames will not be delivered until the federal employees are back on the job. This delay would probably not be charged to Boeing if they can show that the planes are ready to be delivered if not for the shut down. Just a guess . . .

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Unlikely. Very few companies in the US shut down over the holidays like they do do overseas. Usually Xmas and New Years are given off. The rest are business as usual unless the employees took time off.
 
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bikerthai wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
It's been REALLY quiet since before Christmas on Flightaware with those training/acceptance flights. Another snag?


Boeing basically shuts down between Christmas and New Year. The only folks working are maintenance crew doing stuff that can not be done while the factory is running, or last minute work to get an airplane to the customer before year end. Even though the gov shut down do not impact military personnel, much of the technical support/interface with Boeing personnel are through civilian contractors, who I'm guessing are not working. Which leads me to believe that these frames will not be delivered until the federal employees are back on the job. This delay would probably not be charged to Boeing if they can show that the planes are ready to be delivered if not for the shut down. Just a guess . . .

bt


Unlikely. Very few companies in the US shut down over the holidays like they do do overseas. Usually Xmas and New Years are given off. The rest are business as usual unless the employees took time off.


Likely, unless things have changed Boeing has contractually swapped some not so holidays for days off over Xmas for 40 years +/- (only Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day and Thanksgiving are holidays). Their last day of work was probably Friday December 21st with a return on Wednesday January 2nd. The place some years looks like a ghost town.

That being said, if there are airplanes to deliver, test flights to be flown or catch up work on the production line the approriate employees will be on the job. However, these employees that would normally have the days off will see a nice bump in their next paycheck -- getting paid double or triple time depending on their contract or lack there of.
 
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Slug71 wrote:
bikerthai wrote:

Boeing basically shuts down between Christmas and New Year. The only folks working are maintenance crew doing stuff that can not be done while the factory is running, or last minute work to get an airplane to the customer before year end. Even though the gov shut down do not impact military personnel, much of the technical support/interface with Boeing personnel are through civilian contractors, who I'm guessing are not working. Which leads me to believe that these frames will not be delivered until the federal employees are back on the job. This delay would probably not be charged to Boeing if they can show that the planes are ready to be delivered if not for the shut down. Just a guess . . .

bt


Unlikely. Very few companies in the US shut down over the holidays like they do do overseas. Usually Xmas and New Years are given off. The rest are business as usual unless the employees took time off.


Likely, unless things have changed Boeing has contractually swapped some not so holidays for days off over Xmas for 40 years +/- (only Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day and Thanksgiving are holidays). Their last day of work was probably Friday December 21st with a return on Wednesday January 2nd. The place some years looks like a ghost town.

That being said, if there are airplanes to deliver, test flights to be flown or catch up work on the production line the approriate employees will be on the job. However, these employees that would normally have the days off will see a nice bump in their next paycheck -- getting paid double or triple time depending on their contract or lack there of.


Interesting. Thank you for the clarification.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:49 am

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"Boeing basically shuts down between Christmas and New Year."

Boeing does no such thing. That is complete nonsense.


I forget that Boeing is more or less an international company. So I can not say for sure if Boeing India or Boeing UK is operating full tilt. Pretty sure airline/customer support is staffed during this busy time. Other than that, most of the US based emloyee working at Boeing manufacturing facilities gets Christmas to New Year's off. Be cause of this, they do not get paid holidays between New Year and Memorial day.

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Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:21 pm

When I was there, Customer support in general had the time off, AOG support was maintained at a skeletal level including packaging and shipping crews.
 
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Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:28 pm

So no KC-46 delivery? Maybe Monday, New Year's Eve? Puget Sound area has extra three hours in 2018 relative to Pentagon in DC, could help...

...Or could we be waiting for months as further glitches are worked off (and new ones discovered) ??
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Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:53 am

QuarkFly wrote:
So no KC-46 delivery? Maybe Monday, New Year's Eve? Puget Sound area has extra three hours in 2018 relative to Pentagon in DC, could help...

...Or could we be waiting for months as further glitches are worked off (and new ones discovered) ??


It seems pretty clear delivery will now be in 2019, but the USAF appears to have decided to take them "as is" (with the expectation they will be brought to full spec later) so once they get around to issuing the Military Type Certificate (which the Federal Shutdown might be impacting) then the birds will start flying to their bases.
 
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