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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu May 24, 2018 8:49 am

Revelation wrote:
Max Q wrote:
The KC135 has a hatch on the lower left forward fuselage that allows the crew to board independently of any external stairs

Is there any provision for this in the KC46, perhaps through the E&E compartment?

In http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/01/news/co ... index.html good old Jon Ostrower wrote:

The crew ascends through a hatch underneath the jet's nose and is flying in 10 minutes. No stairs needed.

So the answer is yes, but I couldn't find a more detailed reference.

He can be reached via Twitter @jonostrower if you want to ask him for more info.




This article also states ‘a single button on the exterior of the aircraft can be used to
power up systems’


Allowing for journalistic license I’d guess
this is to start the APU ?
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu May 24, 2018 1:43 pm

My mistake, the cut-way was for the KC767A @

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/472878029602068091

The KC-46 would have a similar nose configuration. I suspect the KC-46 cut-way would not be available, until they are fully operational.


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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu May 24, 2018 11:35 pm

Max Q wrote:


This article also states ‘a single button on the exterior of the aircraft can be used to
power up systems’


Allowing for journalistic license I’d guess
this is to start the APU ?


That would be correct.
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:56 pm

The contract was for 18 KC-46A and 9 pods in October so the question is will the USAF waive penalties for the extended delivery timeframe.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:06 am

Stitch wrote:
The contract was for 18 KC-46A and 9 pods in October so the question is will the USAF waive penalties for the extended delivery timeframe.


If Boeing gets itself together, they could do 2 or more a day or one every other day and meet the contract,, now if the AF can't accept them that fast, that's another issue
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:09 pm

If they have not waived any other penalties why start now, however, I agree with Kanban, Boeing should accelerate delivery, if the Air Force cannot accept then a serious discussion can be had about lowering the penalties. Boeing has rightly eaten cost overruns, they have a number of frames in various conditions around the field, now that they have a firm date in relation to frames already built and some tested (versus design) they should crack some whips and get them out ASAP, let the Air Force park them at an Airbase until they have sufficient trained crews to operate the a/c.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:23 am

kanban wrote:
If Boeing gets itself together, they could do 2 or more a day or one every other day and meet the contract,, now if the AF can't accept them that fast, that's another issue


It's a moot point on whether or not the USAF could accept them that fast. Boeing quite frankly would not be able to deliver them that fast even if they did get all their ducks in a row.
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:53 am

LMP737 wrote:
kanban wrote:
If Boeing gets itself together, they could do 2 or more a day or one every other day and meet the contract,, now if the AF can't accept them that fast, that's another issue


It's a moot point on whether or not the USAF could accept them that fast. Boeing quite frankly would not be able to deliver them that fast even if they did get all their ducks in a row.


There should be least 35+ completed frames hanging around already. Including the development frames and at least one LRIP 3 frame. I imagine they (non flying flames) will soon be going for paint and engine fit.
 
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:38 am

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There should be least 35+ completed frames hanging around already. Including the development frames and at least one LRIP 3 frame. I imagine they (non flying flames) will soon be going for paint and engine fit.


If it were only as simple as painting and installing the engines. With all the wiring changes the program has gone through I would venture to say that quite a few of those frames still need them to be incorporated. Which is manpower and time intensive.
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:35 am

Remember they only have to pick the 18 frames that are the easiest to deliver.. then set a schedule for the next 18 in 2019
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:35 pm

And at least 7 are already flying. I imagine at least some of the frames sitting around have been updated with fixes/improvements along the way. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see how productive the next 4 months are.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:52 am

KC-46A, number 9 of the LRIP batch #3 (total 15 aircraft) is already in the Everett Modification Center.

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Original uploaded by Matt Cawby at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/10 ... 7666819073

Full aircraft data : L/N 1145 C/N xxxxx B767-2LKC 17-46032 USAF KC-46A (VH032) LRIP3, #09/15, tail 76032
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:30 am

They better start delivering soon. Otherwise the ground underneath Everett will start sinking. ;)
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:13 am

Maybe they can deliver an entire squadron at a time. :airplane:
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:17 am

Stitch wrote:
Maybe they can deliver and entire squadron at a time. :airplane:


That won't happen.
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:04 am

LMP737 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Maybe they can deliver and entire squadron at a time. :airplane:


That won't happen.


Should have used the :) as I was being facetious. I am aware they will be delivered individually even though this will mean Boeing misses the original contract for number of required frames and could incur additional penalties.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:10 am

Stitch wrote:
Should have used the :) as I was being facetious. I am aware they will be delivered individually even though this will mean Boeing misses the original contract for number of required frames and could incur additional penalties.


Yes you should have. ;)

Anway it's all on Boeing if they can't make October commitment.
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:29 am

What is the status of Batch #4 (FY2018) ?

With the present 2 aircraft /month assembly rate in two months time the first aircraft of Batch #4 (L/N1160) will roll-out the FAL.

L/N 1155 C/N 62499 B767-300F N163FE FEDEX (VT613)
L/N 1156 C/N xxxxx B767-2LKC 17-46037 USAF KC-46A (VH037) LRIP3, #14/15, tail 76037
L/N 1157
L/N 1158 C/N xxxxx B767-2LKC 17-46038 USAF KC-46A (VH038) LRIP3, #15/15, tail 76038
L/N 1159
L/N 1160 C/N xxxxx B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) LRIP4, #01/15, tail 86039
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:28 pm

I hadn't been following this real closely. I didn't realize that part of the testing was being refueled by a KC-135.

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2018/0 ... m_medium=1

"KC-46 tanker aircraft completes flight tests ahead of first delivery"

"The KC-46 Pegasus has successfully completed its final flight tests, setting the stage for delivery of the first aircraft to the U.S. Air Force in late October.
The joint Boeing and Air Force team tested the Remote Vision System and completed tanker aircraft refueling certifications for the F-16 Fighting Falcon and C-17 Globemaster III, the Air Force announced Friday.
The testing also included the KC-46 being refueled by the current KC-135 Stratotanker, which fulfills minimum qualifications for delivery of the aircraft."
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:34 pm

Where will the first batch of Pegasus tankers be based? Tinker AFB perhaps?
 
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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:57 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Where will the first batch of Pegasus tankers be based? Tinker AFB perhaps?

https://homelandprepnews.com/stories/29 ... -oklahoma/ suggests:

Four KC-46 Tankers will be delivered to both Altus Air Force Base and McConnell Air Force Base in October. The Air Force broke ground on a 158-acre Tanker Sustainment Campus on Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma in 2016. The campus is expected to house 1,300 employees.

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Re: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery

Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:19 am

LMP737 wrote:
Slug71 wrote:

There should be least 35+ completed frames hanging around already. Including the development frames and at least one LRIP 3 frame. I imagine they (non flying flames) will soon be going for paint and engine fit.


If it were only as simple as painting and installing the engines. With all the wiring changes the program has gone through I would venture to say that quite a few of those frames still need them to be incorporated. Which is manpower and time intensive.

The Wiring changes will not be that big of a deal as they are not complete wiring changes, only modifications Since the plane is FAA certified? All the wiring changed was to effect Mission readiness. The operational wiring that made it a B767? More than likely won't be changed nor replaced. The Refueling or tactical wiring?
is more than likely covered by an STC (Suplemental type certificate) which they might need if they intend to use parts made for other B767's like the new ones FEDEX is getting. And others in existence which might include Engines as United flies the PW4000 as well.

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