I have thought it odd if Austrian takes 5 RR and 5 GE... would make sense to stick to one OEM with a relatively small, simplified fleet. There were different competing priorities at Lufthansa HQ. The 5 789s being transferred to Austria from Lufthansa are the ones taken over from Hainan Airlines ret...
Jump to postI am a bit worried with the pace of the modifications though. KLM still has still 24 777s to modify, and with an average modification time of 3 weeks (BVD needed just a bit over 2 weeks, but since then things got slower and BVK is now in the hangar for 4 weeks) it looks like it will take until the e...
Jump to postpic featured on Twitter https://images.app.goo.gl/mhthhi9reeFgnUWv9 I like it! Although part of me wants them to paint the whole damn thing orange :D I've read elsewhere enthusiasts dreaming about this livery becoming standard :cloudnine: Personally, I think the original KLM light blue does not rea...
Jump to postI must say, I think this top-up for 15 frames is a bit anti-climactic here. Was really expecting a bit more. Maybe the plan was to announce 35x A35K and 15x A359 during this Airshow. Airbus already had a rendering of A359s and A35K's in EK colors, it was uploaded by mistake in the ET A350 order ann...
Jump to postIn one of the earlier threads it was mooted that EK might lodge a placeholder order for 359s. to secure delivery slots then convert to 35Ks if and when happy on the engine front Wouldn't it be smarter to use options if you want to secure delivery slots? Would also be easier if the engine deal is no...
Jump to postThe article discusses Boeing "outflank[ing]" Airbus with the ET order, but I don't see an explanation of why they are asserting that. And Turkish and Airbus have a 355-frame A320+A350 family order they are finalizing which would pretty much eliminate Boeing's lead. Except that order isn't...
Jump to postThere has never been an official governmental poll about this in the history of Holland. All the negative reactions today known are from the anti-aviation groups today. There is no “THE public response” on this latest news. Many people are happy with this latest news. The only negative responses kn...
Jump to postKLM and Delta should now send Jetblue a gift basket? Maybe some beer from Brouwerij’tij? Absolutely, with some complementary bottles of Texels Skuumkoppe as well :bigthumbsup: Unless something changed, jetblue still doesn’t have a S24 slot. Curious how this will still play out now that the slot red...
Jump to postWill Mark Harbers stay as a minister, or will he resign / be forced to resign ? The whole NL government resigned in July and will be replaced by the forthcoming General Election of November 22. So he is just a caretaker Minister of Transport at present. He can still be forced to resign immediately....
Jump to postSTOP PRESS - 14 November 2023: Netherlands Government withdraws plans to reduce the number of AMS Summer 2024 slots under pressure from EU, USA, Canada and the airline industry. The Ministry announces that it will continue with the internationally accepted "Balanced Approach" Procedure to...
Jump to postIs this just a recommitment to orders placed already or additional orders? Very good question. For Boeing, it's far more important to get the current outstanding orders delivered. Already some aircraft produced for China have been delivered to other airlines, or reallocated to AI IIRC. But there ar...
Jump to posthttps://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/emirates-will-only-assess-a350-1000-once-engines-meet-durability-demands-clark/155834.article I thought Tim Clark was serious about the a35k and xwb97 engine concerns but the above article(behind paywall) has me believing that what he wanted was a better 777-8 ...
Jump to postIn the world of open skies, there will no doubt be retaliation against KLM if foreign airlines lose access to AMS, as there should be. Why should there be 'retaliatiion'? Seems to me that one thinks it is a right to land somewhere and the receiving country has no say in it. AMS is slot-restricted a...
Jump to post20 787-8s is an odd move. Maybe they will use them to serve those thin African routes don’t require an aircraft like the A350 but a widebody to carry a ton of cargo. Will Emirates actually take their 787s this time round or will they leave them in limbo? When do they expect their first one to arriv...
Jump to postSuch an order is not unexpected but it could be smaller than reported: Bloomberg reported Nov. 11 that the airline will commit to 250 A321neos and 100 A350s, while Turkish news agency Anadolu said earlier that an agreement had already been reached. However, people familiar with the talks indicated ...
Jump to postBloomberg reporting Egypt Air to get 18 B7M8s https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-13/egyptair-to-get-18-boeing-narrowbody-aircraft-to-expand-fleet#xj4y7vzkg Looks like they are not happy with the A320/A220 engine related grounding They do seem to like a very diverse fleet though :spin: ...
Jump to postBloomberg reporting Egypt Air to get 18 B7M8s https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-13/egyptair-to-get-18-boeing-narrowbody-aircraft-to-expand-fleet#xj4y7vzkg Looks like they are not happy with the A320/A220 engine related grounding They do seem to like a very diverse fleet though :spin: ...
Jump to postSuch an order is not unexpected but it could be smaller than reported: Bloomberg reported Nov. 11 that the airline will commit to 250 A321neos and 100 A350s, while Turkish news agency Anadolu said earlier that an agreement had already been reached. However, people familiar with the talks indicated ...
Jump to postIf FlyDubai make an Airbus order, wouldn't it be for something like the A321 LR or XLR? I don't see the point in ordering a "base" A320/1 that doesn't do anything the 737MAX can't. Exactly. I expect both those 2 versions. flydubai already publicly stated they don’t take the MAX 10. So any...
Jump to post20 more A321s for Korean AL, type not specified but sounds like they are not XLRs https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/korean-air-orders-20-more-a321neos-/155590.article It sounds as a commitment. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSP8N39800X KE had 20 options which they seem to convert into order...
Jump to postLet see whether his new role can pronote greater changes beyond aviation itself for further success of the nation's aviation sector? Perhaps it's best not to expect too much from his new role. A 'special adivisor' role is sometimes used as a way of saying thank you very much for a great job the pas...
Jump to postSome people on this forum like to call him U-turn Al, but I don't think this was deserved. Emirates' Tim Clark for example has been for more like a yo-yo when it came fleet discisions. But I'm not totally surprised. While we don't know the details, I think the conflict with Airbus has left some scar...
Jump to postApparently, Corsica will remain at ORY due to public service obligation per AF CEO Anne Rigail. While some slots may end up with Transavia, I dont see them replicating the things such as shuttle routes 1:1, so this could open opportunity for likes of Easyjet, Ryanair, Wizz, etc to grow their domest...
Jump to postBA actually has a far better East Asian/Pacific network than they are given credit for: x2 HND x2 HKG x1 PVG x1 PEK x2 SIN + x1 SYD tag-along That’s 8 daily frequencies, + the extra 9th frame in SYD. If KUL, BKK, and ICN return, which could happen, that’s quite the sizeable East Asia/Pacific networ...
Jump to postHow will the UX acquisition affect fleet planning? Potentially plenty of 787s hanging around that IB won't be needing after slot divestments/plus has all Airbus fleet. At the moment, zero. The UX acquisition needs to be approved first, which could take at least another year. And the prospects of an...
Jump to postDidn’t need an aircraft in that size/range category until now, 787 was available earlier and was a good fit for BA. Do they even need it now? There really isn't that big of a gap considering the current fleet of 787-9, 787-10, and A350-1000. I guess that is the kind of question this order could ans...
Jump to postI think this is the first time we have a order for replacements of 787’s. 777w replacements will start from the 2030’s, orders should be placed in 2026/27. 777x vs A350-1000 competition will be an uphill battle for Boeing. Just adding A350’s will be the easiest solution for AF/KL. All in all AF/KL ...
Jump to postThank you very much Mig17, this gives much interesting information. This more or less confirms my earlier speculation that the 12 787s on operational leases will be returned to the lessor when the leases expire after 12 years. Most of these leased 787s are placed with KLM, but the remaining owned 7...
Jump to postBen Smith gave an interview in "Les Echos" today about this order: - deliveries from 2026 to 2030 - replacing A330 and 77E at both Air France and KLM but also ... 787-9 at Air France : "Before the end of the decade, the 787 will leave the fleet at Air France" - "In 2030 Air...
Jump to postI hope they see the benefit of product consistency in the Group If they were particularly bothered about that, AF & KL would probably already look the same (a la LATAM). Even now as the 777 on both sides are being retrofitted with similar seats they have chosen different vendors. Actually, prod...
Jump to postImpressive. It seems this will make AF/KL the biggest A350 customer ? Ahead of QR or the LH Group? Absolutely. Including freighters, AF/KL have now ordered 99 A350 aircraft (although I expect 50 will need to firmed yet). QR should have 80 (wiki says 76 but I don't think they've counted 4 recently r...
Jump to postI do wonder if KLM will go 10 abreast in Y in the A350, now that the cabin is wider with the new A350 production standard. That would also address and contribute to the sustainability requirements, as a denser cabin layout reduces emissions per seat. It would also contribute by making air travel a ...
Jump to postThe 777X always was an outsider for this order, it would be a 77W replacement and that type wasn't part of the replacement plans at AF/KL. But I'm totally surprised Airbus won the whole order.. No more 787s for KL. How could Boeing blow it with the A330 replacement, especially for KLM? They have lo...
Jump to postI believe KLM will eventually order more 78Xs, but this order was always all or nothing.. I think the uncertainty about the 77X killed Boeing on this go around.. Airbus can give concrete delivery slots, they can't on the 77X as its still not certified.. The 777X always was an outsider for this orde...
Jump to postHonestly, I’m quite surprised. I expected the 787 would at least get part of the order as with nearly all widebody orders these days. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad to see the A350 winning some orders. Also none of the pictures show A35K renderings, only A359 for both AF and KLM. I believe KL...
Jump to post... I can see the B78Xs being configured in about 330 to 360 seats in 3 class config (Bus., Prem., Eco, Eco) .... When compared with KLM, also with 3 class 787s but less seats due to KL's economy extra legroom rows and AC's more efficient (= less comfortable) lavs and galley configuration, I can se...
Jump to postThank you Mig17, I think we are not disagreeing.
These numbers reinforce my belief the 787-10 is the best solution as A330 replacement for KL, and the A35K as their 77E replacement.
For AF the 787 and A350 probably too but not so sure which variants.
Oh dear. My next trip is AMS to SJO on a KL 787. And it involves crossing an ocean. How many fuel stops will it require, since I will not be on an A350? Must I fear dropping out of the sky mid-flight? :duck: :flamed: This discussion starts to look like the ones we had about the early A350s, where s...
Jump to postOh dear. My next trip is AMS to SJO on a KL 787. And it involves crossing an ocean. How many fuel stops will it require, since I will not be on an A350? Must I fear dropping out of the sky mid-flight? :duck: :flamed: This discussion starts to look like the ones we had about the early A350s, where so...
Jump to postThey could take the train. So all 3 million LON-AMS passengers should take the train????? That is 6.000 additional trains each year carrying 500 passengers each. Or 16 new trains each day on an already overloaded Channel tunnel and crowded railway line BRU-AMS. Add 1 million pax that fly CDG-AMS an...
Jump to postHow do you propose all those people get between the cities if they don't fly? I doubt there's even a realistic option for many of them. Bigger planes. Replace 2 flights of SB’s with 1 WB… Doesn't necessarily have to be that drastic, however consolidating E jet flights into A321s would definitely be...
Jump to postAny news regarding ET's A350-1000s, specifically when these will be delivered? In the article linked by dkny, it says ET will start MAD as tag-on to FCO starting December this year. Any progress regarding AMS? It was rumored ET had it high on its list of future desinations. Would ET even be able to...
Jump to postSpecifically for KLM, I fully expect future upgauging across the board: with the upcoming AMS constraints, they will need a bigger 'big tube'. - A332 & A333 will be replaced by B789 / B781 when phase-out arrives for the A330 fleet. - Current B773 fleet will be used to upguage current B772 (will...
Jump to postEdelweiss (WK/EDW) confirms six (6) A359 ex-LATAM joining the fleet between 2025 and 26. https://www.flyedelweiss.com/ch/en/media/press-releases/2023-09-18-a350.html Brgds, Ka. I was under the impression that Delta bought all the LATAM A350's. LATAM no longer owns any A350's and I doubt these aircr...
Jump to postAny news regarding where the extra aircraft will be sourced from? Will it come from Lufthansa stock (one LH A333 is already going to Discover) or are there any other ex-SQ or ex-CX frames on the market, as that is where SN sourced some of its other aircraft. According to this article: https://www.l...
Jump to postAny news regarding ET's A350-1000s, specifically when these will be delivered?
In the article linked by dkny, it says ET will start MAD as tag-on to FCO starting December this year. Any progress regarding AMS? It was rumored ET had it high on its list of future desinations.
Specifically for KLM, I fully expect future upgauging across the board: with the upcoming AMS constraints, they will need a bigger 'big tube'. - A332 & A333 will be replaced by B789 / B781 when phase-out arrives for the A330 fleet. - Current B773 fleet will be used to upguage current B772 (will...
Jump to postKL/AF is replacing both the A330 and the 772. Moving from A330 to A350, or 772 to 787, requires less training than switching from Boeing to Airbus (or vice versa). This might be an argument for a mixed order, both at AF and KL. Both AF and KLM have incoming A350F. You know, when the first reports c...
Jump to postKL is wasting no time... :weightlifter: :bouncy: Fifth KL B773 cabin mod underway as of this morning, PH-BVF moved to hangar area Overview KL Business Direct Aisle + Premium Comfort Class Mods - B773 - 11 modifications pending, 4 completed , 1 in progress PH-BVA - Completed June 23th 2023, in servi...
Jump to postDedicated lavatories and a proper divider between PY and Y make a huge difference in the PY experience. In Canada where I live, WS offers this on their widebody fleet but AC does not. Everyone I know who has flown both says the WS PY experience is superior. I agree and seek this service out and gen...
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