Clevelander who drove to PIT for the London flight in the past week, and kudos was really very positive experience-- so now not only am I jealous that you have an NFL team and we don't, but also that you have your city on the departure screen at LHR, a beautiful thing to see amongst the world's grea...
Jump to postThey haven’t even hired an architect to my knowledge. That’s usually a lengthy process. And FAA approval of master plan?? Is that just a formality?? The costs defy credibility to me. They were developed before inflation kicked in and plus building in place has to be more complicated. PIT spending $1...
Jump to postTrue Joeman but a difference now is that F9 has something like 200 planes on order; I think it's about 20-25 per year. They need to be put somewhere and CLE seems to be a pretty good station for them. That list of top stations that Massey posted, we were about the only one that wasn't a tourist mecca.
Jump to postF9 must know something we don't know!! While it would have been nice for F9 to add let's say PDX instead of CLT, let us assume that they only have a plane available for more of a 2 hour flight each way. Then the question becomes what's a desirable destination within that range? Some that pop in my h...
Jump to postGood question Greenair; the answer is not abundantly clear on the original post on the AA thread made 4 days ago but I suspect all carriers.
Jump to postHere’s some tidbits about CLT from the AA network thread. Reinforces what everyone is saying. Also from that thread CLT is 31% O/D overall which is truthfully higher than I thought. No other major hub is close to that low. 2022 Q3 PDEW | 7/17/2023 planned capacity (approx) ALB - 103 | 406 AUS - 227 ...
Jump to postI get the addition of SAN obviously, unserved destination with good O/D. You'd sure think this one could be year round given SAN has such great weather. I get the addition of DFW/SFO-- while both already have service, they are two giant metro areas, and easily drivable to even more population. I don...
Jump to postAgree 100%. If the airport was run by a professional board whose only job was the airport rather being patched together by a transition from one mayor/council to the next (a mayor with dozens of bigger problems by the way) there would surely have been a longer view of succession planning and industr...
Jump to postWhen PIT is paying $700K+ for an airport director and last I can remember Kennedy was paid in the 2’s, no wonder the director search seems to be flailing. As the Browns did to Baltimore and Lamar Jackson by overpaying an absurd contract to Watson, so Pittsburgh is doing to midsize airports.
Jump to postCLE in the pocketbook is where our pathetic WN service hurts. I just did a dummy booking CLE/PIT/CMH in June for a Tuesday to Friday to DFw, keeping in mind the other two airports have DAL service. We are $100 more than PIT and $150 more than CMH. Maybe DFW is a city F9 will add. it used to be serve...
Jump to postDelta has the more or less the identical reduced schedule compared to 2019 out of CLE CMH PIT. While IND is also reduced, they have more flights to ATL, more common mainline to DTW and MSP, and a nonstop to LAX. Nonetheless you’ll find a lot of commenting on the Indy forum about how much delta servi...
Jump to postPlausible but that is sure a big gap 25ish points. And it suggests British vacationers aren’t flying to pit because that would counterbalance. It’ll be interesting to see September loads that’s after school vacation season
Jump to postCan someone please offer up a theory why loads might be one sided and then flip flop? And with those mediocre loads and cargo BA is going 6x soon? Makes me wonder if there are data integrity issues here. I’m not buying that people would be taking one stops in one direction, nonstops in the other. Th...
Jump to postSo I know this isn't always perfect but according to Seat-guru the -10 has: 11 more coach seats than the -8 10 more premium coach seats 13 more business class seats 8 First class seats as opposed to zero on the -8 I suspect maybe the first class seats are used but still with business class level ame...
Jump to postMy rough math assuming 11.8mm divided evenly over three years and 4 flights per week that’s $19k per flight. Worth it? That’s a lot of green for narrow bodies to a small European airport. Wonder if there is dry powder for pursuing a bigger European airport.
Jump to postI'm getting lost in these spreadsheets sumchristianus posted showing connecting flows over hubs. Some fun facts I'm uncovering: The spreadsheet is Q3 2022 and does not show international. I did not look at WN yet, yes it's cause I'm bitter about what a joke WN service is in CLE. Some fun facts: #1 c...
Jump to postEven weirder there's a half dozen or so people per day changing in CLE to cities that aren't nonstop from CLE. Seeing cities on their like PDX, SAN, CLT, and many more. First one is row 23 IAD-MCI, so the pax are IAD-CLE-ORD-MCI. That's nuts.
Jump to postLike so much else at CLE even the auto entry to the airport is so terribly designed. The merger from I480 West to 237 and then the airport entrance is so tight, I've had a number of dicey and tight mergers getting over in time. But worse-- can anyone think of another airport that has a three way sto...
Jump to postMassey-- F9 only has one A321 today, the first flight to RSW out of 11 flights. They phased out the A319 years ago, at least to CLE. My sense is they've cut the plane size in CLE, not grown it. And NK doesn't have any A321's to CLE at present, in fact I happened to notice yesterday they are sneaking...
Jump to postIn contrast to lack of data on cargo the word choice for pax is a little hyperbolic, no? Soaring-- but still not matching 2019? BNA and AUS maybe soaring, but PIT? hmmm. I always wonder how useful monthly data is. 1) Jan. especially is slow season 2) Weather cancellations can really add up in the wi...
Jump to postPoint taken FlyPit and with that more distant picture you get a much better sense that the walk from check in to the gates is reasonable and will probably be a very nice entry hall.
Jump to postCan you help orient me, the current terminal baggage claim is in the foreground i.e. below the photo? The two rows of two-ish story double posts we are seeing in the foreground of the photo- what are those, roadway supports? If my orientation is correct it is 1) cool that construction is taking plac...
Jump to postI always think month by month traffic comparisons are so tough, could be impacted for instance by how many weekends are in a month for instance, or let's say an airline or two have a complete and utter meltdown in one of the months, nonetheless encouraging information. When I think through the airli...
Jump to postGood luck improving bathrooms, some of the bathrooms at Hopkins are so small for a facility of that type, don't know how to fix that situation. Even bathrooms in high traffic locations such as by the food court are woefully undersized. On another note, over on the UA network thread, it's been posted...
Jump to postWhere is P&G's CVG information published? Have a hard time believing someone from P&G, Delta, or Delta's travel agency would let that information get out but stranger things have happened.
Jump to postIn my years of being on airliners.net I can’t once remember someone on any airport/city thread revealing how much a single org travels. I doubt CCF even knows because the travel it generates is likely arranged in many disparate ways. We have a Ccf employee on the thread pointing out correctly that m...
Jump to postNew clinic building in London is outpatient, not a hospital. I think it's fair to say that will lead to about zero new routine travel from Cleveland to London-- perhaps a couple of one off trips to get it set up. Who knows maybe some patients will be treated in London and advised to travel to Clevel...
Jump to postWho needs an on-site hotel at a non hub airport? I disagree with your thinking. The current offsite rental car facility is a pile of garbage— its location and condition— and yet another cleveland airport embarrassment for out of town visitors. Increasing on site parking is part of the master facilit...
Jump to postAs a poster noted a few replies above, JetBlue is trying to diversify it’s route network and be less dependent on BOS/NYC. People always talk about B6 lack of presence in the Midwest and west coast, this will help accelerate some of that growth. They don’t have the airplanes to do this on their own...
Jump to postThe more I read this exchange and think about it— Anyone else have theories on why rental car relocation is sequenced fairly early. Not sure I buy my earlier argument that it’s about roadway traffic reduction. The orange lot is still quite a walk. What some airports do they have very close parking s...
Jump to postI am assuming that the terminal rebuild has a very carefully thought through sequence. My suspicion is the reason to do rental car sooner rather than later is to reduce roadway traffic and weight on the roadway early in the process, who knows perhaps there is preventative maintenance that can be avo...
Jump to postDisappointing. I know CLEs forecast is 10mm this year but I’m sure not seeing the capacity adds to hit that. Delta currently in schedule for 8x A321 to ATL this summer. That’s a little tiny bone compared to last summer if it sticks.
Jump to postThat is good news. CLEs low cost of living had to help. In other news rental cars moving back on campus sooner rather than later. On the orange lot. This article I don’t believe captures the full extent of rental car taxes in Cleveland. Orange lot kind of far isn’t it?? https://www.cleveland.com/new...
Jump to postLast summer UA operated 4x to DEN but only 1X to SFO. And I don’t remember EWR being all mainline that is sure a lot of seats to a place that’s not a real reliable connecting hub.
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Not only in the RDU thread-- the topic even had its own dedicated, tired, and too long thread!! Nothing has changed since then and I would suggest reading it.
This is a route that could draw from PIT and CMH too since it's unique to the three markets and I'm sure will be priced right. Great flight times, means folks won't need a hotel room if they are driving from a couple hours away. Let's face it CLE and all the midwest airports are boring as heck so we...
Jump to postMuch to unpack, granted it's only one date: Interesting that biggest city most fortress hub-like DTW is most expensive. In theory STL has longest stage length and CLE has the shortest but we all know stage length doesnt' drive fares, supply and demand does. I'm surprised that in CLE EI isn't the mos...
Jump to postI would never connect at a place like CLE for TATL-- if something goes wrong with a late connection or a cancellation you would have literally zero options to get out that night. DTW ORD BOS JFK etc-- there are alternatives. I suppose if CLE is a one trick pony with only the flight to Ireland, it's ...
Jump to post2022 Pax #s = 8.7mm https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/01/cleveland-hopkins-airport-welcomed-87-million-passengers-in-2022-still-down-from-pre-pandemic-years.html This is really an article worth reading, including pipe dream thoughts on new destinations that every airport in the midwest says is ...
Jump to postNow I know why cleveland has been without a permanent director for over a year! I believe the last director was paid in the 2s or maybe the low 3s. Pittsburgh is the George Steinbrenner or Stephen Cohen of airports— driving up the cost for everyone else, competing against perhaps nobody.
Jump to postIt's still less than our peers in PIT and CMH, seats and frequencies! Have to assume UA eats in to that since UA is pretty small at both of those airports. I don't feel like typing everything out right now but: Both markets have equal to or greater than Cleveland's frequency in every case. PIT and C...
Jump to postGreat debate question-- doesn't it depend on the measurement? Having a hub is like having CCF in town. I suspect we are paying more for healthcare in Cleveland, as they control so much of the market and let me tell you, you don't build 1MM square foot neurology hospitals/palaces like they are doing ...
Jump to postSo the math here is 100 extra days of flying bring in $12.3mm that’s $123,000 per flight assuming year round. Seem fair? I’m always skeptical of these economic development calculations due to the obvious conflict of interest of those who produce them. But $123 is t absurd.
Jump to postFor what it's worth the PIT LHR flight was advertised on my Cleveland pandora feed this AM. First I've heard. I know PIT advertised pretty heavily in CLE back during the UA hubs and fares here were considerably higher. It makes all the sense in the world, it's a mere 1:45 minute drive from the wealt...
Jump to postBy the way rough math I count something like 30 domestic cities that DL and DL connection fly to from JFK, what's this that it is not a connecting location? You're telling me they serve say RIC ROC ORF MKE etc for O&D? Nonsense!! I know it doesn't compare to ATL but to say JFK is not a connectin...
Jump to postSome great lakes cities DTW CVG PIT BUF CLE etc. can connect through JFK but it is an airport to be avoided like the plague in the eyes of many. ATL is welcome even when JFK is an option and even when JFK is shorter flight distance.
Jump to postOutside of a few high growth airports like RDU BNA AUS not seeing much growth of non hub flying anywhere. I hope I’m wrong and that changes in 2023.
Jump to postWe are fortunate to have what we do to LAX compared to PIT CMH CVG. I would say odds are greater of losing NK if the merger goes through than gaining a third flight on any airline. UA would seem most logical but at the moment we know LAS and PHX aren’t coming back this spring and right now there are...
Jump to postwhat is a trunk/bulk route? Never heard that terminology before. Is it synonymous for "a route which LH also flies?"
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